Saving event groups at DVinfo.net

Ron Cooper · October 21st, 2007, 01:38 AM

I wish to create a short version of a main video edit and want to preserve the original timeline as much as possible. It is a 3 camera affair so I have the events stacked in sync.

What I would like to do, seeing you can have multiple versions of Vegas running, (Great !), is to link or group certain events in the main project, render them, and copy this rendered group to a new, cut-down version and build this project from the main one without having to do "double editing" - but just tweaking in the new, shorter project.

I am having only moderate success as I spent quite a time editing the sound but when I tried to save a group and paste it into the smaller project, the sound was not the edited version. Is there a way of rendering just a group before copying ?

Don Bloom · October 21st, 2007, 06:39 AM

Yes you can render just a part of the timeline but it sounds like when you did the copy/paste from one project to another you didn't have the audio highlighted so it didn't copy over. Not a big thing as you can always go back and get it but it is better to copy both A and V at once of course.
So highlight BOTH the video clip (event) with the appropriate audio clips (events) you wish to copy to the new project (control button works well here as does the shift button AND right click use menu item Select Events to the End) depending on what you need from the timeline copy those clips (events) to the new instance of Vegas and put them on the timeline there.
Now if you want to render those clips (events) before you move them double click on the clip (event) use the control key to highlight the audio portions, now you have basically created a region-goto file render as or render to new track (my preferance) NAME it something slightly different than the main project and render away. you have now rendered only what has been highlighted. At least it does on my machine ;-)

HTHs
Don

Dan Keaton · October 21st, 2007, 08:46 AM

Dear Ron,

I suggest that you consider using "Project Nesting".

Please do a search in Vegas, under Help, for "Project Nesting".

This is a very nice feature, that, in my opinion, will solve you problem.

Just create a Vegas Project with the timeline segment that you want. Then this Vegas Project can be inserted into other Vegas Projects at will.

So, just think in terms a parts of your timeline that you may want to include in another time, and then make the parts a separate Vegas Project.

If this does not make sense, just send me a private email.

Ron Cooper · October 21st, 2007, 05:23 PM

Many thanks for your suggestions Don & Dan. I have looked briefly at "Project Nesting" in help, & it looks encouraging. However, I prefer to save the imported group as an editable time line, not just as a new single, composite event. I assume this is possible. - By the way, are there any on-line tutorials about "Nesting" ?

I have bought a few books & a tutorial Video on Vegas but have found them a bit disappointing for my style as I am not into flying effects & intricate colour correction etc. ( I still feel it's a pity that Vegas does not have the same simple setting for opacity points as it does for sound volume. - Is V8 any better here ?

I am running Vegas 7 & will probably upgrade to V8 after things settle down a little.

Regards,

Ron.

Don Bloom · October 21st, 2007, 05:42 PM

You CAN do opacity point by using a VIDEO BUS (control+shift+B) insert a fade to color and set point accordingly. Remember though that it is a MASTER bus and will affect opacity of all tracks at that point.

You might also want to look at Edward Troxels site and download his Vegas Newsletter. Altough some of them go back to version 3 or 4 many of the principals remain the same and he does have a lot of stuff on versions 6 and 7. A little bit on 8 but again the principles remain the same. Also look at Spots (Douglas Spotted Eagle) stuff as well as many other Vegas smart guys at the Vasst site. Lots of good stuff floating around about Vegas.

HTHs
Don

Ron Cooper · October 22nd, 2007, 05:07 PM

Thanks again Don.

The problem I have is that I want to switch opacity easily from one event to another without affecting other tracks which are directly underneath, as I have 3 cameras synced vertically.

I am doing it by locating the spot where I want to switch and then putting in a cut on the various tracks, - Two if I want to use the lowest camera. It works but is very messy as if I don't get it right the first time I have to undo and then move the cursor. Also this does not allow me, (as Premiere does), to fade very easily between the vertically stacked tracks. ( Sorry to harp on this but this is all dead easy in Premiere as you just click on the opacity line and manipulate the same way as you do for sound volume.) I am surprised that Vegas 7 doesn't do this and apparently not in V8 either. - Should I wait for V10 !!

However, don't get me wrong, Vegas is fantastic for sound & I love it.

Regards,

Ron

Mike Kujbida · October 22nd, 2007, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Cooper

I am running Vegas 7 & will probably upgrade to V8 after things settle down a little.

You might want to give that serious consideration now.
There's a special upgrade price for existing Vegas owners of $135 but it's only good until Oct. 31.
After that it'll jump by at least $100 (if not more).

October 21st, 2007, 01:38 AM	#1
Ron Cooper Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 481	Saving event groups I wish to create a short version of a main video edit and want to preserve the original timeline as much as possible. It is a 3 camera affair so I have the events stacked in sync. What I would like to do, seeing you can have multiple versions of Vegas running, (Great !), is to link or group certain events in the main project, render them, and copy this rendered group to a new, cut-down version and build this project from the main one without having to do "double editing" - but just tweaking in the new, shorter project. I am having only moderate success as I spent quite a time editing the sound but when I tried to save a group and paste it into the smaller project, the sound was not the edited version. Is there a way of rendering just a group before copying ?

October 21st, 2007, 08:46 AM	#3
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Ron, I suggest that you consider using "Project Nesting". Please do a search in Vegas, under Help, for "Project Nesting". This is a very nice feature, that, in my opinion, will solve you problem. Just create a Vegas Project with the timeline segment that you want. Then this Vegas Project can be inserted into other Vegas Projects at will. So, just think in terms a parts of your timeline that you may want to include in another time, and then make the parts a separate Vegas Project. If this does not make sense, just send me a private email. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 21st, 2007, 06:39 AM	#2
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Yes you can render just a part of the timeline but it sounds like when you did the copy/paste from one project to another you didn't have the audio highlighted so it didn't copy over. Not a big thing as you can always go back and get it but it is better to copy both A and V at once of course. So highlight BOTH the video clip (event) with the appropriate audio clips (events) you wish to copy to the new project (control button works well here as does the shift button AND right click use menu item Select Events to the End) depending on what you need from the timeline copy those clips (events) to the new instance of Vegas and put them on the timeline there. Now if you want to render those clips (events) before you move them double click on the clip (event) use the control key to highlight the audio portions, now you have basically created a region-goto file render as or render to new track (my preferance) NAME it something slightly different than the main project and render away. you have now rendered only what has been highlighted. At least it does on my machine ;-) HTHs Don

October 21st, 2007, 05:23 PM	#4
Ron Cooper Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 481	Many thanks for your suggestions Don & Dan. I have looked briefly at "Project Nesting" in help, & it looks encouraging. However, I prefer to save the imported group as an editable time line, not just as a new single, composite event. I assume this is possible. - By the way, are there any on-line tutorials about "Nesting" ? I have bought a few books & a tutorial Video on Vegas but have found them a bit disappointing for my style as I am not into flying effects & intricate colour correction etc. ( I still feel it's a pity that Vegas does not have the same simple setting for opacity points as it does for sound volume. - Is V8 any better here ? I am running Vegas 7 & will probably upgrade to V8 after things settle down a little. Regards, Ron.

October 21st, 2007, 05:42 PM	#5
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	You CAN do opacity point by using a VIDEO BUS (control+shift+B) insert a fade to color and set point accordingly. Remember though that it is a MASTER bus and will affect opacity of all tracks at that point. You might also want to look at Edward Troxels site and download his Vegas Newsletter. Altough some of them go back to version 3 or 4 many of the principals remain the same and he does have a lot of stuff on versions 6 and 7. A little bit on 8 but again the principles remain the same. Also look at Spots (Douglas Spotted Eagle) stuff as well as many other Vegas smart guys at the Vasst site. Lots of good stuff floating around about Vegas. HTHs Don

October 22nd, 2007, 05:07 PM	#6
Ron Cooper Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 481	Thanks again Don. The problem I have is that I want to switch opacity easily from one event to another without affecting other tracks which are directly underneath, as I have 3 cameras synced vertically. I am doing it by locating the spot where I want to switch and then putting in a cut on the various tracks, - Two if I want to use the lowest camera. It works but is very messy as if I don't get it right the first time I have to undo and then move the cursor. Also this does not allow me, (as Premiere does), to fade very easily between the vertically stacked tracks. ( Sorry to harp on this but this is all dead easy in Premiere as you just click on the opacity line and manipulate the same way as you do for sound volume.) I am surprised that Vegas 7 doesn't do this and apparently not in V8 either. - Should I wait for V10 !! However, don't get me wrong, Vegas is fantastic for sound & I love it. Regards, Ron