Vegas 8 issues

Steven Davis · October 16th, 2007, 08:28 AM

My two cents, I have Vegas 6 and for no good reason I have had the same crash for the past couple of days, it's random, sometimes caused by ctrl-z and typically doesn't 'save' before crashing, so I could lose 30 minutes of work. So I've been hitting ctrl-s after almost every cut. Very annoying. I think in it's history, Vegas has been buggy, there are many error reports on this board.

And it has been my experience when you contact Sony about errors, typically you get a response that is very broad, probably on a cue card, and from someone who may or may not know how to turn their computer on by themselves. But that's just my opinion.

Marc Salvatore · October 16th, 2007, 12:01 PM

Matt,

I agree that it can be computer specific, but it can also be the type of projects we work on. I can work in Vegas 8 for days with zero problems but when I start adding quicktime, psds, effects, over 500 files etc. things start going haywire. I using a pretty beefy system (dual Zeon, 4 gigs ram, XP Pro) and this system worked fine in DV on a more complex project in Vegas 7.

Regards,

Marc

Jon McGuffin · October 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM

This is indeed interesting to read...

I purchased Vegas 8 Pro the day it was made available via upgrade and it's been sitting on my desk ever since. I knew, without any of these posts, it was going to be buggy as virtually all software suffers from this issue upon release.

For the same reason I continue to NOT recommend running Microsoft Vista if you can help it, it's never really a good idea to run software upon it's initial release. It's just a fact that, unfortunately, the best beta testing for these software developers occurs in the first 6 months of a products release date. Once they release an update or two, I'm sure it'll be fine.

I do agree with the few posts in here though regarding this being one of the better products made available for the PC. Frankly, I view Vegas as kind of a champion product for the PC and am really hoping Sony can continue to develop and enhance this product. It really is a shame when this software is released and is buggy enough to make the PC look bad when standing up against NLE's like FCP.

Jon

Willard Hill · October 17th, 2007, 07:55 AM

I remember when Vegas 7.0 came out that it would not build audio peaks on footage taken with the Sony HVR-A1u. Version 7.B fixed that. I hope Vegas 8 follows the same pattern and gets the bugs ironed out. I am one of those that experience the black frame issue with m2t files in Vegas 7 and this does seemed to be fixed or greatly improved in 8.0. It works perfectly with Cineform but I am working on a very long project and the large files take too much disk space.

I had the problem quite frequently with Vegas 6 that Steven Davis mentions. It was usually brought on by multiple undos. It seemed that if I gave it a bit of time between pressing the ctrl z and the ctrl,alt,z keys that it minimized these.

7.d was the most stable version that I have ran in my short time of using the program. Overall I am extremely pleased with it. Let's just hope they get the issues with 8.0 resolved.

Edward Troxel · October 17th, 2007, 02:54 PM

Vegas 8.0a and DVD Architect 4.5a were just released!

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...p2.asp?DID=764

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...p2.asp?DID=766

LOT'S of changes in Vegas Pro 8.0a!

Jeff Harper · October 17th, 2007, 02:57 PM

Thanks Edward!

Ian Stark · October 17th, 2007, 03:07 PM

Time to take ProType Titler out for another spin then! Thanks for the heads up, Edward.

Dave Haynie · October 18th, 2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Willard Hill

I have encountered another issue concerning crashes. I have captured several tapes as m2t files. Some were shot with an XL-H1 in 60i and some with a Sony HVR-A1u. All were captured using the Sony to save wear and tear on the Canon. Each tape was captured to a separate veg. file. I scroll through the timeline and log the scenes on an Excel spreadsheet. There are no problems with crashes with footage shot with the Canon, but Vegas 8 crashes repeatedly on two tapes shot with the Sony. If I open the same files in Vegas 7 they work perfectly. When the problem occurs a large green band goes through the scene and the following error message appears: "Vegas has encountered a problem and needs to close."

Neither Vegas 7 nor Vegas 8 is adept at dealing with HDV captures that have dropouts... or even SD stuff with dropouts, in some cases. I recently found that Vegas 8 was getting real crashy, but noticed it was related to one capture I had from my Canon HV10. Removing that pretty much eliminated the problem (well, other than the known issues reported in the Pro Titler and multcam, both of which I easily found on my own).

Not that Vegas SHOULD crash on HDV errors, but I think it always has, and it stands to reason that faster HDV performance in Vegas 8 might well come at the cost of some error checking. Double check the video independently to see if there are dropouts, and if so, try recapturing the tape (I've found HDVSplit more reliable at HDV capture than Vegas7; I haven't tried Vegas8 yet).

Dave Haynie · October 18th, 2007, 12:14 AM

One really annoying "feature" in Vegas 8, which seems to be new... I'm seeing some difference between the displayed audio waveforms and the actual audio, here and there.

On my current project, I'm synching up two HDV cameras, then editing as a video multitrack... in theory. What I found was that, while I thought I had matched the audio, I hadn't really. The truth was revealed if I zoomed way in... I would see correct audio waveform display for both tracks. But when zoomed out a bit, one waveform display is considerably off... like by a few seconds or more. Ouch!

Not a big deal, once it was all locked in, but I've been using the Vegas audio display for multi-cam and field recorder sync for years and years, and never seen a problem like this until Vegas 8. Both tracks are HDV MPEG-2 transport stream files.

Lars Siden · October 18th, 2007, 06:33 AM

I have noticed that having the Matroska Splitter and/or FFDshow installed can mess up the NLE:s. I don't have Vegas 8 - But I have PPro CS3 - and there I had all kinds of strange behaviour before I uninstalled all "extra" codec stuff that I had.

For instance PPro would allocate ALL memory available when opening a m2t file when I had "dscaler" and ffdshow installed.

// lazze

Willard Hill · October 18th, 2007, 10:43 AM

Dave
I think you are on to something there. I trimmed both of the captures which caused crashes in Vegas 7 and then did the save-as thing to make copies of the scenes in use in the timeline and then deleted the original capture. In both cases if I place the trimmed copies in an 8.0 timeline it will now play o.k.

October 16th, 2007, 08:28 AM	#16
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	My two cents, I have Vegas 6 and for no good reason I have had the same crash for the past couple of days, it's random, sometimes caused by ctrl-z and typically doesn't 'save' before crashing, so I could lose 30 minutes of work. So I've been hitting ctrl-s after almost every cut. Very annoying. I think in it's history, Vegas has been buggy, there are many error reports on this board. And it has been my experience when you contact Sony about errors, typically you get a response that is very broad, probably on a cue card, and from someone who may or may not know how to turn their computer on by themselves. But that's just my opinion. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

October 17th, 2007, 07:55 AM	#19
Willard Hill Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 191	I remember when Vegas 7.0 came out that it would not build audio peaks on footage taken with the Sony HVR-A1u. Version 7.B fixed that. I hope Vegas 8 follows the same pattern and gets the bugs ironed out. I am one of those that experience the black frame issue with m2t files in Vegas 7 and this does seemed to be fixed or greatly improved in 8.0. It works perfectly with Cineform but I am working on a very long project and the large files take too much disk space. I had the problem quite frequently with Vegas 6 that Steven Davis mentions. It was usually brought on by multiple undos. It seemed that if I gave it a bit of time between pressing the ctrl z and the ctrl,alt,z keys that it minimized these. 7.d was the most stable version that I have ran in my short time of using the program. Overall I am extremely pleased with it. Let's just hope they get the issues with 8.0 resolved. __________________ Willard http://pawildlifephotographer.blogspot.com/

October 17th, 2007, 02:54 PM	#20
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Vegas 8.0a and DVD Architect 4.5a were just released! http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...p2.asp?DID=764 http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...p2.asp?DID=766 LOT'S of changes in Vegas Pro 8.0a! __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 17th, 2007, 03:07 PM	#22
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Time to take ProType Titler out for another spin then! Thanks for the heads up, Edward. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

October 18th, 2007, 12:14 AM	#24
Dave Haynie Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Upper Pittsgrove, NJ Posts: 95	Another Vegas 8 oddity One really annoying "feature" in Vegas 8, which seems to be new... I'm seeing some difference between the displayed audio waveforms and the actual audio, here and there. On my current project, I'm synching up two HDV cameras, then editing as a video multitrack... in theory. What I found was that, while I thought I had matched the audio, I hadn't really. The truth was revealed if I zoomed way in... I would see correct audio waveform display for both tracks. But when zoomed out a bit, one waveform display is considerably off... like by a few seconds or more. Ouch! Not a big deal, once it was all locked in, but I've been using the Vegas audio display for multi-cam and field recorder sync for years and years, and never seen a problem like this until Vegas 8. Both tracks are HDV MPEG-2 transport stream files. __________________ --Dave

October 16th, 2007, 12:01 PM	#17
Marc Salvatore Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 351	Matt, I agree that it can be computer specific, but it can also be the type of projects we work on. I can work in Vegas 8 for days with zero problems but when I start adding quicktime, psds, effects, over 500 files etc. things start going haywire. I using a pretty beefy system (dual Zeon, 4 gigs ram, XP Pro) and this system worked fine in DV on a more complex project in Vegas 7. Regards, Marc

October 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM	#18
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	This is indeed interesting to read... I purchased Vegas 8 Pro the day it was made available via upgrade and it's been sitting on my desk ever since. I knew, without any of these posts, it was going to be buggy as virtually all software suffers from this issue upon release. For the same reason I continue to NOT recommend running Microsoft Vista if you can help it, it's never really a good idea to run software upon it's initial release. It's just a fact that, unfortunately, the best beta testing for these software developers occurs in the first 6 months of a products release date. Once they release an update or two, I'm sure it'll be fine. I do agree with the few posts in here though regarding this being one of the better products made available for the PC. Frankly, I view Vegas as kind of a champion product for the PC and am really hoping Sony can continue to develop and enhance this product. It really is a shame when this software is released and is buggy enough to make the PC look bad when standing up against NLE's like FCP. Jon

October 17th, 2007, 02:57 PM	#21
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Thanks Edward!

October 18th, 2007, 06:33 AM	#25
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	I have noticed that having the Matroska Splitter and/or FFDshow installed can mess up the NLE:s. I don't have Vegas 8 - But I have PPro CS3 - and there I had all kinds of strange behaviour before I uninstalled all "extra" codec stuff that I had. For instance PPro would allocate ALL memory available when opening a m2t file when I had "dscaler" and ffdshow installed. // lazze __________________ Sony HDR-CX130,Canon 5DMKII,i7 930@4.0, 12gb memory, 3x SSD + 2x1Tb(stripe), Geforce 480, Dual 24", Win 7 x64

October 18th, 2007, 10:43 AM	#26
Willard Hill Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 191	Dave I think you are on to something there. I trimmed both of the captures which caused crashes in Vegas 7 and then did the save-as thing to make copies of the scenes in use in the timeline and then deleted the original capture. In both cases if I place the trimmed copies in an 8.0 timeline it will now play o.k. __________________ Willard http://pawildlifephotographer.blogspot.com/ Last edited by Willard Hill; October 18th, 2007 at 10:44 AM. Reason: error