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Monday Isa · June 16th, 2006, 06:01 AM

Quick question, how many actually hand your customers cropped videos of their events?

Peter Jefferson · June 16th, 2006, 07:56 AM

compared to NTSC uncropped, PAL cropped is virtually indistinguishable... your looking at 432 VISIBLE lines as opposed to 480. Wooptido...
Shooting progressive scan, and these figures are alot more accurate. Shoot interlaced, and your working with compromised footage..

Monday Isa · June 16th, 2006, 08:12 AM

So Peter then handing my customer a cropped video is ok? It shouldn't be a problem? The reason I asked was (I didn't notice it) I accidently turned on the date recod on the sony pd and the only way to work around it is to crop it, but then I had to crop the entire production (I did turn it off immediately once home). I'm asking is it generally ok my customer may or may not like it, but just trying to get a feel.

Patrick Moreau · June 16th, 2006, 09:34 AM

If you mean letterboxing the footage or like a fake widescreen, we do this quite often. The video quality is the same as un-letterboxed there is just less image there. If you are talking about cropping the edges and then making the whole image bigger so it fill sthe frame, such as making it 105%, this can often be done to a small degree with very little noticeable difference on a standard TV, but more then 3-5% and you can notice it easier.

David Avedikian · June 16th, 2006, 12:35 PM

You better hope it's okay. Otherwise you get to explain your mistake which will be attached to every single comment they make about your services. "Yeah, our videographer was great, but..." I would definitely try the letterbox look first.

Monday Isa · June 16th, 2006, 02:59 PM

Patrick that's what I was talking about a letterbox (fake widescreen). So people out there do offer that. Thanks for letting me know. David I know the severity of what took place which is why I'm honestly trying to fix it the best I can. I don't need to be reminded thank you.

Joe Allen Rosenberger · June 16th, 2006, 03:23 PM

Monday.....at my company, we always do the letterbox cropped thing for wedding videos and our clients like it. We shoot in a way to compensate......always keeping in mind that we will letterbox in post. It looks really sweet so I cant imagine your client having an issue with it. If I were you....I would not let the your client know about the date marked video issue.
good luck...joe

ps. be sure to adjust the verticle position of your video if adding the letterbox cuts off any video source you wish not be cut....I do it often (minor tweaks here and there) and its not an issue.

Monday Isa · June 16th, 2006, 08:21 PM

Thanks Joe,
I dropped off the preview disc today and said nothing about the date record issue and they really enjoyed the progress of the video. They didn't mind the letterbox, infact I said nothing about it. Over all I'm relieved on this one especially knowing what other people are doing. Thanks man

Joe Allen Rosenberger · June 16th, 2006, 11:11 PM

Cool, glad it all worked out for you.

Where are you in Baltimore....I used to live in Perry Hall. I grew up in MD. most of me life, then moved to Cali.

David Avedikian · June 17th, 2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Monday Isa

David I know the severity of what took place which is why I'm honestly trying to fix it the best I can. I don't need to be reminded thank you.

Sorry... but to me there is only one option. So the question is a little silly unless a reminder was given.

Joe Allen Rosenberger · June 17th, 2006, 01:25 AM

dude...chill out. there is actually more options than just "the one" as you stated but who gives a poo now....she got it handled, all is good so your non-helpful remarks.....do just that.....they dont help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Avedikian

Sorry... but to me there is only one option. So the question is a little silly unless a reminder was given.

Monday Isa · June 17th, 2006, 06:02 AM

Joe, I live very close to Perry Hall. I live in Hamilton and have actually considered moving to California or Texas as well. There's more money out there but I'm not ready for that. Still young and the business is going good.

Monday
Oh yeah, I'm a guy. LOL!!!

David Avedikian · June 17th, 2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Allen Rosenberger

dude...chill out. there is actually more options than just "the one" as you stated but who gives a poo now....she got it handled, all is good so your non-helpful remarks.....do just that.....they dont help.

Enlighten us... what would you do in that situation other than crop it?

And I don't find it in bad taste to remind someone of the consequences of their actions. If I haven't run into someone who made those types of comments about a videographer or photographer, then I wouldn't have said anything. So my remark was there to help just as much as anyone elses.

Monday Isa · June 17th, 2006, 10:19 AM

David that's enough. Thank you for commenting, and I wish you the best of luck. I've done this for 4 years and made a simple honest mistake anybody could easily make. You probably had a gig where you forgot to record something or turn on a mic. No one has bashed you for that. It's over your point is heard. I wish you would give more grace in this type of situation.

David Avedikian · June 17th, 2006, 10:37 AM

You guys are missing my point. I'm not trying to bash anyone. I'll leave it at that.

June 16th, 2006, 06:01 AM	#1
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	4:3 to cropped 16X9 Quick question, how many actually hand your customers cropped videos of their events?

June 16th, 2006, 07:56 AM	#2
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	compared to NTSC uncropped, PAL cropped is virtually indistinguishable... your looking at 432 VISIBLE lines as opposed to 480. Wooptido... Shooting progressive scan, and these figures are alot more accurate. Shoot interlaced, and your working with compromised footage..

June 16th, 2006, 08:12 AM	#3
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	So Peter then handing my customer a cropped video is ok? It shouldn't be a problem? The reason I asked was (I didn't notice it) I accidently turned on the date recod on the sony pd and the only way to work around it is to crop it, but then I had to crop the entire production (I did turn it off immediately once home). I'm asking is it generally ok my customer may or may not like it, but just trying to get a feel.

June 16th, 2006, 09:34 AM	#4
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	If you mean letterboxing the footage or like a fake widescreen, we do this quite often. The video quality is the same as un-letterboxed there is just less image there. If you are talking about cropping the edges and then making the whole image bigger so it fill sthe frame, such as making it 105%, this can often be done to a small degree with very little noticeable difference on a standard TV, but more then 3-5% and you can notice it easier.

June 16th, 2006, 12:35 PM	#5
David Avedikian Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 35	You better hope it's okay. Otherwise you get to explain your mistake which will be attached to every single comment they make about your services. "Yeah, our videographer was great, but..." I would definitely try the letterbox look first.

June 16th, 2006, 02:59 PM	#6
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	Patrick that's what I was talking about a letterbox (fake widescreen). So people out there do offer that. Thanks for letting me know. David I know the severity of what took place which is why I'm honestly trying to fix it the best I can. I don't need to be reminded thank you.

June 16th, 2006, 03:23 PM	#7
Joe Allen Rosenberger Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 419	Monday.....at my company, we always do the letterbox cropped thing for wedding videos and our clients like it. We shoot in a way to compensate......always keeping in mind that we will letterbox in post. It looks really sweet so I cant imagine your client having an issue with it. If I were you....I would not let the your client know about the date marked video issue. good luck...joe ps. be sure to adjust the verticle position of your video if adding the letterbox cuts off any video source you wish not be cut....I do it often (minor tweaks here and there) and its not an issue.

June 16th, 2006, 08:21 PM	#8
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	Thanks Joe, I dropped off the preview disc today and said nothing about the date record issue and they really enjoyed the progress of the video. They didn't mind the letterbox, infact I said nothing about it. Over all I'm relieved on this one especially knowing what other people are doing. Thanks man

June 16th, 2006, 11:11 PM	#9
Joe Allen Rosenberger Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 419	Cool, glad it all worked out for you. Where are you in Baltimore....I used to live in Perry Hall. I grew up in MD. most of me life, then moved to Cali.

June 17th, 2006, 06:02 AM	#12
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	Joe, I live very close to Perry Hall. I live in Hamilton and have actually considered moving to California or Texas as well. There's more money out there but I'm not ready for that. Still young and the business is going good. Monday Oh yeah, I'm a guy. LOL!!!

June 17th, 2006, 10:19 AM	#14
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	David that's enough. Thank you for commenting, and I wish you the best of luck. I've done this for 4 years and made a simple honest mistake anybody could easily make. You probably had a gig where you forgot to record something or turn on a mic. No one has bashed you for that. It's over your point is heard. I wish you would give more grace in this type of situation.

June 17th, 2006, 10:37 AM	#15
David Avedikian Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 35	You guys are missing my point. I'm not trying to bash anyone. I'll leave it at that.