Getting in with the Schools? at DVinfo.net

Mike Begalla · May 3rd, 2006, 09:54 PM

I am considering approaching the schools in my area, to see if they would contract me to video their events (plays, choir events, etc.). However, I don't want to approach them unprepared, or without knowledge of what typical fees or agreements are. Is there a base rate that is charged for the event, plus a percentage of the amount of videos sold? If so, can I get some general information of what these amounts are?

Mike Begalla · May 8th, 2006, 07:56 PM

I take it that no one does schools.

Dale Guthormsen · May 8th, 2006, 10:43 PM

Mike,

First there is an issue of having peoples children shot and having dvds of them published without parental consent. There are issues schools have to deal with in this regard. Having said that, I shoot all kinds of school footage but then i teach videography as a module in a practical arts class. This kind of gets me in and allows us to do what you are talking about.
what are the laws about filming a public event and publishing? I shoot ceremonies and do not generally worry about it, but you could have issues.
A teacher should not allow their students to be filmed without parental consent, that creates a problem. Some people view these as poissible shopping lists.
We produce a school web site and I have about 15 % of the parents that do not want their children on ther web site. they all have to have waiver forms submitted before we can put them on the site!!

You could offer to make videos of events and offer a copy to the school and then perhaps offer some in the school news paper or such. I shoot regional basketball and provincials and made finale dvds for players and made myself enough to buy a new century lens and some other stuff. so it can be done, just treaed softly and do not be surprised that not everyone wants their kids in front of a the camera, and a suite could perhaps be filed.
In my case I do not think they can squeeze juice out of a dry lemon.\

Michael Dempsey · May 9th, 2006, 12:11 PM

I can speak to the permission for filming children....

I have four of the little monsters and at the beginning of the year our school sends out a permission form stating that your child may be videoed ( ? ) or photographed during school functions.

Not sure about other schools though......

John Brickner Jr · May 9th, 2006, 01:52 PM

Sometimes schools are hampered by copyright laws with musicals. I flimed a musical and I was told explicitley to NOT tell anyone what I was doing for fears of sanctions from the distributors of the musical.

Mike Begalla · May 9th, 2006, 03:37 PM

It may be an issue...not sure. However, through the course of all of my daughters high school years, just about every musical, pop fest, play, etc. that was performed, a video was offered by the school (for a nominal fee, of course). I, being a parent, supported this, until I realized that the quality of the videos were noticably below par. The video I was taking were better. And at the time, I was just a parent with a camera. Anyway, just recently, my 1st grade granddaughter brought home a flyer anouncing that their musical will be professionally taped, and a copy (for a nominal fee, of course) could be purchased. I'll have to check to see if her parents had to sign a consent form, but I don't think so. Also, I am curious to see what they mean by professional. I was unable to attend, but my wife said that the videographer was using a VX 2100 with a shotgun mike.
I'm sure that if there are any issues about what, who, and how to video for the school, that they will have the information for me. I was just looking for upfront information, especially about pricing, from someone who may have done it.
BTW, thanks for all the other input, as always, the more information, thoughts and ideas that are given, the better equipped it makes us to venture out into the business world.

Karl Heiner · May 9th, 2006, 11:07 PM

have done only 2 seasons (basketball) several soccer, never any problems. the parents who wanted a dvd, paid for it.

been taping also several school performances, but don't know what the school is doing with it.

as a parent and videographr, i allways see somebody with a videocamera running around.

greetings

Mike Begalla · May 10th, 2006, 07:39 AM

When you say that you did some performances for the school...was that pro bono or did they pay you? If you were paid, could you give me the details?

Karl Heiner · May 10th, 2006, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Begalla

When you say that you did some performances for the school...was that pro bono or did they pay you? If you were paid, could you give me the details?

hello mike,

pay....yes profit...no
some money for the media/ lunch, and gas. that's it..and enough for me.

call that giving back to the community.

do i see a money making avenue in schools? no

greetings

Mike Begalla · May 11th, 2006, 02:27 PM

Yea... I didn't think it would sufice as a major source of income. Just looking for something to fill in the voids, and possibly use it for some marketing opportunity.

In this journey, I keep on seeing signs that say, "This way to Money Making Avenue", but never seem to get there. I'm sure it's just over the horizon.

James Bridges · May 12th, 2006, 12:44 PM

Mike,

I may be alone on this, but I love it when this season rolls around. The money is great! If you can get in with a few schools, even better. Another avenue to look at is the local dance school. I charge a flat fee to make sure I am covered just to show up. Then I take orders for the DVD's in advance. This way you don't print what you don't need. Then charge $10 to $15 per DVD. The flat fee is usually $100 to show up. But I have gotten $300 once. Good Luck.

James Bridges · May 12th, 2006, 12:46 PM

Mike,

I may be alone on this, but I love it when this season rolls around. The money is great! If you can get in with a few schools, even better. Another avenue to look at is the local dance school. I charge a flat fee to make sure I am covered just to show up. Then I take orders for the DVD's in advance. This way you don't print what you don't need. Then charge $10 to $15 per DVD. The flat fee is usually $100 to show up. But I have gotten $300 once. Good Luck.

Mike Begalla · May 13th, 2006, 06:40 AM

Thanks for the information. When you say you take order...Is that through the school, or do they refer the people to you. The little bit that I have heard about this subject, it appears that the school takes the orders and charges X amount and the videographer gets a percentage of that. Also, who do you approach in the school system, and are you contracted for specific performances?

Can you also tell me more details concerning dance schools?

Michael Liebergot · May 14th, 2006, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Begalla

Thanks for the information. When you say you take order...Is that through the school, or do they refer the people to you. The little bit that I have heard about this subject, it appears that the school takes the orders and charges X amount and the videographer gets a percentage of that. Also, who do you approach in the school system, and are you contracted for specific performances?

Can you also tell me more details concerning dance schools?

I am doing one next week for a school original opera. This is the third year in a row, that I am doing this for them.

I don't charge them any fee for the shoot itself, and charge $25 a piece for each DVD, which I get all of the money.

My contract states that I only shoot if I get a minimum preorders of 35 DVD's, 1 week before the shoot, additional DVD's can be ordered after the fact.

The school does all of the ground work for me, whcih includes, sending home flyers with the kids, 2-3 weeks before the performance and recieving the orders. Then cut me a check, which I pickup before the first perfomance.

I have never had a problem with this to date, as I generally get 50-100 DVD's per recital.

Tom Tomkowiak · May 14th, 2006, 12:05 PM

Michael, how many cameras do you use to tape the performances? I would think 2 would be minimum.

May 3rd, 2006, 09:54 PM	#1
Mike Begalla Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 27	Getting in with the Schools? I am considering approaching the schools in my area, to see if they would contract me to video their events (plays, choir events, etc.). However, I don't want to approach them unprepared, or without knowledge of what typical fees or agreements are. Is there a base rate that is charged for the event, plus a percentage of the amount of videos sold? If so, can I get some general information of what these amounts are?

May 8th, 2006, 07:56 PM	#2
Mike Begalla Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 27	Oh well... I take it that no one does schools.

May 8th, 2006, 10:43 PM	#3
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Schools Mike, First there is an issue of having peoples children shot and having dvds of them published without parental consent. There are issues schools have to deal with in this regard. Having said that, I shoot all kinds of school footage but then i teach videography as a module in a practical arts class. This kind of gets me in and allows us to do what you are talking about. what are the laws about filming a public event and publishing? I shoot ceremonies and do not generally worry about it, but you could have issues. A teacher should not allow their students to be filmed without parental consent, that creates a problem. Some people view these as poissible shopping lists. We produce a school web site and I have about 15 % of the parents that do not want their children on ther web site. they all have to have waiver forms submitted before we can put them on the site!! You could offer to make videos of events and offer a copy to the school and then perhaps offer some in the school news paper or such. I shoot regional basketball and provincials and made finale dvds for players and made myself enough to buy a new century lens and some other stuff. so it can be done, just treaed softly and do not be surprised that not everyone wants their kids in front of a the camera, and a suite could perhaps be filed. In my case I do not think they can squeeze juice out of a dry lemon.\ __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

May 12th, 2006, 12:44 PM	#11
James Bridges Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Posts: 113	Mike, I may be alone on this, but I love it when this season rolls around. The money is great! If you can get in with a few schools, even better. Another avenue to look at is the local dance school. I charge a flat fee to make sure I am covered just to show up. Then I take orders for the DVD's in advance. This way you don't print what you don't need. Then charge $10 to $15 per DVD. The flat fee is usually $100 to show up. But I have gotten $300 once. Good Luck. __________________ James out------ Check out the Southern Winds Film Festival. Call for entries is now open! http://www.southernwindsfilmfestival.com http://www.phigmentphilms.com

May 12th, 2006, 12:46 PM	#12
James Bridges Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Posts: 113	Mike, I may be alone on this, but I love it when this season rolls around. The money is great! If you can get in with a few schools, even better. Another avenue to look at is the local dance school. I charge a flat fee to make sure I am covered just to show up. Then I take orders for the DVD's in advance. This way you don't print what you don't need. Then charge $10 to $15 per DVD. The flat fee is usually $100 to show up. But I have gotten $300 once. Good Luck. __________________ James out------ Check out the Southern Winds Film Festival. Call for entries is now open! http://www.southernwindsfilmfestival.com http://www.phigmentphilms.com

May 9th, 2006, 12:11 PM	#4
Michael Dempsey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 47	I can speak to the permission for filming children.... I have four of the little monsters and at the beginning of the year our school sends out a permission form stating that your child may be videoed ( ? ) or photographed during school functions. Not sure about other schools though......

May 9th, 2006, 01:52 PM	#5
John Brickner Jr Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tiffin, Ohio Posts: 77	Sometimes schools are hampered by copyright laws with musicals. I flimed a musical and I was told explicitley to NOT tell anyone what I was doing for fears of sanctions from the distributors of the musical.

May 9th, 2006, 03:37 PM	#6
Mike Begalla Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 27	It may be an issue...not sure. However, through the course of all of my daughters high school years, just about every musical, pop fest, play, etc. that was performed, a video was offered by the school (for a nominal fee, of course). I, being a parent, supported this, until I realized that the quality of the videos were noticably below par. The video I was taking were better. And at the time, I was just a parent with a camera. Anyway, just recently, my 1st grade granddaughter brought home a flyer anouncing that their musical will be professionally taped, and a copy (for a nominal fee, of course) could be purchased. I'll have to check to see if her parents had to sign a consent form, but I don't think so. Also, I am curious to see what they mean by professional. I was unable to attend, but my wife said that the videographer was using a VX 2100 with a shotgun mike. I'm sure that if there are any issues about what, who, and how to video for the school, that they will have the information for me. I was just looking for upfront information, especially about pricing, from someone who may have done it. BTW, thanks for all the other input, as always, the more information, thoughts and ideas that are given, the better equipped it makes us to venture out into the business world.

May 9th, 2006, 11:07 PM	#7
Karl Heiner Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: california Posts: 342	have done only 2 seasons (basketball) several soccer, never any problems. the parents who wanted a dvd, paid for it. been taping also several school performances, but don't know what the school is doing with it. as a parent and videographr, i allways see somebody with a videocamera running around. greetings

May 10th, 2006, 07:39 AM	#8
Mike Begalla Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 27	When you say that you did some performances for the school...was that pro bono or did they pay you? If you were paid, could you give me the details?

May 11th, 2006, 02:27 PM	#10
Mike Begalla Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 27	Yea... I didn't think it would sufice as a major source of income. Just looking for something to fill in the voids, and possibly use it for some marketing opportunity. In this journey, I keep on seeing signs that say, "This way to Money Making Avenue", but never seem to get there. I'm sure it's just over the horizon.

May 13th, 2006, 06:40 AM	#13
Mike Begalla Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 27	Thanks for the information. When you say you take order...Is that through the school, or do they refer the people to you. The little bit that I have heard about this subject, it appears that the school takes the orders and charges X amount and the videographer gets a percentage of that. Also, who do you approach in the school system, and are you contracted for specific performances? Can you also tell me more details concerning dance schools?

May 14th, 2006, 12:05 PM	#15
Tom Tomkowiak Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On the NC Crystal Coast Posts: 203	Michael, how many cameras do you use to tape the performances? I would think 2 would be minimum.