Preceremony Clip at DVinfo.net

Glen Elliott · March 27th, 2006, 11:05 AM

http://home.comcast.net/~g.elliott3/...receremony.wmv

Patrick Moreau · March 27th, 2006, 01:53 PM

Nice edit. Reminds me very much of Joel's work although I haven't seen too much of it. The VO really helped, especially considering it was prep footage. Seemed fairly repetitive in terms of the content, so from an outside viewers perspective that doesn't know the couple, I would have suggested adding in more shots with the bridal party, grooms men, parents, and perhaps details other than the dress. Nice ending to a great peice overall. Did you have a second videographer there, looked like a shotgun mic in one of your shots?

Joven OHara · March 27th, 2006, 02:42 PM

As always..."Excellent".

Glen- where do you get your fonts?? You always use nice fonts which I cant seem to find.....

Regards,
Joven

Dan Shallenberger · March 27th, 2006, 03:04 PM

I "third" the nice job/excellent comments! I love the sun/cloud/church thing at the beginning. Are those clouds some stock footage you shot, or was it shot that day with that edit in mind?

The vo's were also very nice. Last time I tried that (which actually was the first time and so far only time), they just weren't the touchy-feely kind of vo's I was looking for. He had a very gruff, hoarse voice that didn't lend well to this kind of use, and she just couldn't think of anything touching to say. I tried coaching her a little by asking some questions about them and their relationship, but she just didn't have it in her. So, I stopped recording, stepped back and just got footage.

Again, very nice sample! Always a pleasure to view your work.

Dan

John Harmon · March 27th, 2006, 03:15 PM

I like it a lot. A little mushy, but it's supposed to be. I've tried something like that, too, with mixed results. This is a great example, and it gives me something to strive for.

Mike F Smith · March 27th, 2006, 05:19 PM

Awsome work Glen,

I hated having to watch it with the watermark.

Mike

Glen Elliott · March 27th, 2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Moreau

Nice edit. Reminds me very much of Joel's work although I haven't seen too much of it. The VO really helped, especially considering it was prep footage. Seemed fairly repetitive in terms of the content, so from an outside viewers perspective that doesn't know the couple, I would have suggested adding in more shots with the bridal party, grooms men, parents, and perhaps details other than the dress. Nice ending to a great peice overall. Did you have a second videographer there, looked like a shotgun mic in one of your shots?

Joel is one of my lead inspirations. Regarding shot selection I actually had an abundance of bridesmaids and groomsmen shots however once I laid the VO's down it was to personal to cut away to others. There are other segments where I can use these shots, namely the highlights.

I shot the bridal prep and my assistant shot the grooms. One videographer at each location.

Thanks for the critique.

Glen Elliott · March 27th, 2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joven OHara

As always..."Excellent".

Glen- where do you get your fonts?? You always use nice fonts which I cant seem to find.....

Regards,
Joven

Thank you. I get all my fonts from www.dafont.com/en

Glen Elliott · March 27th, 2006, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Shallenberger

I "third" the nice job/excellent comments! I love the sun/cloud/church thing at the beginning. Are those clouds some stock footage you shot, or was it shot that day with that edit in mind?

The vo's were also very nice. Last time I tried that (which actually was the first time and so far only time), they just weren't the touchy-feely kind of vo's I was looking for. He had a very gruff, hoarse voice that didn't lend well to this kind of use, and she just couldn't think of anything touching to say. I tried coaching her a little by asking some questions about them and their relationship, but she just didn't have it in her. So, I stopped recording, stepped back and just got footage.

Again, very nice sample! Always a pleasure to view your work.

Dan

Thanks Dan- yeah the couple did pretty well with the on-the-fly VO's questionaire we had them do. They were both nervous and it came out in their voices- however it sounded more "true" than having them read off of a pre-written sheet.

Glen Elliott · March 27th, 2006, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Harmon

I like it a lot. A little mushy, but it's supposed to be. I've tried something like that, too, with mixed results. This is a great example, and it gives me something to strive for.

Mushy is gold to most brides, particularly this one. I finished editing this bride's friends wedding. She was there when the couple screened it and she cried more than her friend did and it wasn't even her wedding. I'm looking forward to delivering this video to her.

Glen Elliott · March 27th, 2006, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike F Smith

Awsome work Glen,

I hated having to wath it with the watermark.

Mike

My appologies, I hope it wasn't TOO distracting. There has been an abudance of theft of online demos recently. I'm doing my small part to help thwart it with my work.

Nick Weeks · March 27th, 2006, 09:50 PM

Glen, where di you get your music? That music fits perfectly with the feel of the video

excellent work!

Peter Jefferson · March 28th, 2006, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Elliott

My appologies, I hope it wasn't TOO distracting. There has been an abudance of theft of online demos recently. I'm doing my small part to help thwart it with my work.

Dont ever apologise for wanting to protect you work mate, its one of the reasons i dont put stuff online.. ive had people leach my work and being a supplier/trainer, ive even had people walk through my shop door with my production studio's demo dvd in hand (the shop and the productions are 2 differet entities with different names) with them wanting to learn techniques.. so plagiarism is abuntant and rampant in this industry...

moving onto the the topic, again mate, nice and tight edits make for great viewing.
I Understand the reasoning behind dragging afew shots out, as it helps retian the pace and flow of what we're hearing, One thing though, speaking of hearing, be aware of the reverb configuration u have on the voices.
Im running an audio monitor set up which picks up EVERYTHING. Its an Old Yamaha setup with Berhinger truths (all 5 of them) with a custom build subwoofer. Basically i use it for Dolby Digital mixing, monitoring and mastering. Now theres nothing wrong with the reverb, its just a little to wide for a personal VO like this. In the chapel, i would use this setting, but for a one on one type, i would tighten it a little bit.
If your looking for good plugins which work really well within a video environment, have a look at Waves Pro, as well as Beatmodel plugins. There are heaps more but i think these 2 packages cover most video requirements

Glen Elliott · March 28th, 2006, 07:44 AM

Thanks Peter for the suggestion. The way it sounds is how I preferred it for this piece. If I use VO's without talking heads I try to rid the natural dry sound of it. I wanted it to sound dreamy and reflective.

The original un-compressed piece was edited using M-Audio LX4's on a Audiophile 192.

Peter Jefferson · March 28th, 2006, 08:17 AM

if thats the case, then i would recommend something like a chorus effect for that dreamy reminescence, or more substantially, if u can get your hands on a Harmonic Exciter. I use 2 different exciters, ones on my Yamaha A3000mkII sampler and i pass the audio straight through it then record my line input
Another option i take, and this is the best way to retain clarity and quality, is to capture the footage where the VO was done (i dont carry my Marantz PMD671 to weddings if i dont have to.. )
Anyways, clean it up a little in soundforge, transfer it straight into my RS7000 workstation as a wav file and run it as a series of samples through a customised drum samplebank.
That samplebank is then chained to a series of effects. The output from that, is then run back through the optical output straight into the PC onto the Vegas timeline and recorded in realtime.. all the while im tweaking and adjusting as it plays along.
I like to fluctuate certain freq to accentuate what is being said. Some resonance tweaks help a fair bit and fatten up whats being said, then some tweaking of Chorus filters on high end plosives really give the mix that lil bit of an edge and accentuate the words. I dont do this very often though coz it DOES take time...

Obviously this is all outboard gear and i rarely do this unless theyre high paying customers, but in the SW world, Vegas is good with its realtime tweakability but its just not hands on enough for me... Im too old skool..lol

From here, if u want to get your hands on a pretty decent resonance filter, there are afew VST plugs, but i would recommend the Reso filter which comes with Acid, as this can actually be tweaked in realtime straight from the vegas timeline.
For decent chorus filters, checkout Beatmodels plugins as the chorus filter is one of the most robust ive used. really decent phasing, and shape configurations and does absolute wonders for VO work like this.

March 27th, 2006, 11:05 AM	#1
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Preceremony Clip http://home.comcast.net/~g.elliott3/...receremony.wmv __________________ Glen Elliott Cord 3 Films

March 27th, 2006, 02:42 PM	#3
Joven OHara Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fremont,CA. USA Posts: 50	As always..."Excellent". Glen- where do you get your fonts?? You always use nice fonts which I cant seem to find..... Regards, Joven __________________ To be.....or not to be

March 27th, 2006, 05:19 PM	#6
Mike F Smith Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 156	Awsome work Glen, I hated having to watch it with the watermark. Mike Last edited by Mike F Smith; March 28th, 2006 at 12:59 PM.

March 28th, 2006, 07:44 AM	#14
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Thanks Peter for the suggestion. The way it sounds is how I preferred it for this piece. If I use VO's without talking heads I try to rid the natural dry sound of it. I wanted it to sound dreamy and reflective. The original un-compressed piece was edited using M-Audio LX4's on a Audiophile 192. __________________ Glen Elliott Cord 3 Films

March 27th, 2006, 01:53 PM	#2
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	Nice edit. Reminds me very much of Joel's work although I haven't seen too much of it. The VO really helped, especially considering it was prep footage. Seemed fairly repetitive in terms of the content, so from an outside viewers perspective that doesn't know the couple, I would have suggested adding in more shots with the bridal party, grooms men, parents, and perhaps details other than the dress. Nice ending to a great peice overall. Did you have a second videographer there, looked like a shotgun mic in one of your shots?

March 27th, 2006, 03:04 PM	#4
Dan Shallenberger Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 253	I "third" the nice job/excellent comments! I love the sun/cloud/church thing at the beginning. Are those clouds some stock footage you shot, or was it shot that day with that edit in mind? The vo's were also very nice. Last time I tried that (which actually was the first time and so far only time), they just weren't the touchy-feely kind of vo's I was looking for. He had a very gruff, hoarse voice that didn't lend well to this kind of use, and she just couldn't think of anything touching to say. I tried coaching her a little by asking some questions about them and their relationship, but she just didn't have it in her. So, I stopped recording, stepped back and just got footage. Again, very nice sample! Always a pleasure to view your work. Dan

March 27th, 2006, 03:15 PM	#5
John Harmon Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Warren, Michigan, USA Posts: 96	I like it a lot. A little mushy, but it's supposed to be. I've tried something like that, too, with mixed results. This is a great example, and it gives me something to strive for.

March 27th, 2006, 09:50 PM	#12
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	Glen, where di you get your music? That music fits perfectly with the feel of the video excellent work!

March 28th, 2006, 08:17 AM	#15
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	if thats the case, then i would recommend something like a chorus effect for that dreamy reminescence, or more substantially, if u can get your hands on a Harmonic Exciter. I use 2 different exciters, ones on my Yamaha A3000mkII sampler and i pass the audio straight through it then record my line input Another option i take, and this is the best way to retain clarity and quality, is to capture the footage where the VO was done (i dont carry my Marantz PMD671 to weddings if i dont have to.. ) Anyways, clean it up a little in soundforge, transfer it straight into my RS7000 workstation as a wav file and run it as a series of samples through a customised drum samplebank. That samplebank is then chained to a series of effects. The output from that, is then run back through the optical output straight into the PC onto the Vegas timeline and recorded in realtime.. all the while im tweaking and adjusting as it plays along. I like to fluctuate certain freq to accentuate what is being said. Some resonance tweaks help a fair bit and fatten up whats being said, then some tweaking of Chorus filters on high end plosives really give the mix that lil bit of an edge and accentuate the words. I dont do this very often though coz it DOES take time... Obviously this is all outboard gear and i rarely do this unless theyre high paying customers, but in the SW world, Vegas is good with its realtime tweakability but its just not hands on enough for me... Im too old skool..lol From here, if u want to get your hands on a pretty decent resonance filter, there are afew VST plugs, but i would recommend the Reso filter which comes with Acid, as this can actually be tweaked in realtime straight from the vegas timeline. For decent chorus filters, checkout Beatmodels plugins as the chorus filter is one of the most robust ive used. really decent phasing, and shape configurations and does absolute wonders for VO work like this.