Music Licensing basics - Help

Nigel Barker · May 4th, 2018, 01:43 AM

I noticed in the FAQ for Tracks that licensing is US only. Not sure how this works for uploading to social media.

Sean Melia · May 6th, 2018, 08:28 AM

Nothing "happened". I left SATV to work with companies like Tracks to develop broader solutions for music licensing. Only so much you can do when working in house for one company. With Tracks, I have the opportunity to help make some big changes by developing new products / solutions for creators.

Sean Melia · May 6th, 2018, 07:47 PM

Also, the U.S. territory restriction only applies to where the videographers are based. Social media posts can be shared worldwide.

Andrew Smith · May 6th, 2018, 08:06 PM

Hey Sean, welcome along. You'll soon get used to the sense of humour we have 'round these parts. :-)

Andrew

Nigel Barker · May 7th, 2018, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Melia

Also, the U.S. territory restriction only applies to where the videographers are based. Social media posts can be shared worldwide.

I'm still not sure of the implications. Does this mean that only US residents can purchase a licence from Tracks?

David Potter · May 7th, 2018, 09:32 AM

In line with Nigel's query, as a UK based videographer, can I buy a track for use on a video hosted on vimeo and embeded on my website?

Noa Put · May 7th, 2018, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Melia

Also, the U.S. territory restriction only applies to where the videographers are based. Social media posts can be shared worldwide.

I wouldn't touch that music with a stick, it reminds me a bit of Songfreedom who also had some popular commercial songs in their database and promised me I was covered, but I wasn't and that was confirmed by Sabam, the Belgian association of authors, composers and publishers.

David Potter · May 7th, 2018, 11:19 AM

Hi Noa
I've seen you mention in other posts that you provide a 5 min film for online sharing. Where do you source music for that (assuming you are using copyrighted material)? Currently, all of my online videos have royalty free music on which is quite limiting.

Noa Put · May 7th, 2018, 11:27 AM

All my music comes from artlist.io

Noa Put · May 7th, 2018, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Melia

Hello. I'm a music rights consultant, former VP of Licensing and Business Affairs at Sony/ATV, and currently working with the newly launched music licensing platform www.tracksmusic.com. Pricing begins at $59 per track for videos and $10 for slideshows, with discounts for bundled credits of 5, 10 and 20 tracks. During Open Beta, all credits are priced at $39 regardless of the number of credits purchased. Please let me know if you have any questions.

If you say you are working with Trackmusic and being paid by them, is your post intended as advertisement to get us to sign up? As far as I know this is not allowed here unless you are a sponsor. But I could be wrong so it's best to let Chris decide.

Sean Melia · May 7th, 2018, 12:10 PM

I understand the skepticism and can't comment on Song Freedom or their practices. I'm posting to let folks know that there's a new resource in Tracks that was launched in partnership with the music business. To do this, agreements have been reached with dozens of labels and music publishers large and small and there will be more deals to come. Right now, the service is limited to U.S. based videographers. This is not a posting limitation for social media, it only affects where a business is based. Tracks is working with the industry to expand this territory, as well as allow for streamlined licensing of additional types of uses such as small business marketing, short films, non-profit and charitable promotions, etc. For some background on where this all started please see https://www.billboard.com/biz/articl...g-system-could

My background can be found at https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-melia-984360b/. Any questions about music licensing in general, please feel free to reach out on the forum or at sean@rightsandcommerce.com

Noa Put · May 7th, 2018, 12:29 PM

Getting music properly licensed is like opening a can of worms, there are so many exceptions per country and you have to read the fine print or even better, let a lawyer read it for you. Everyone should be very cautious when using commercial music, as long as you stay under the radar nobody might bother you but all it takes is a jealous videographer or your film going viral and drawing attention that you might end up loosing your business if you find out that your music is not licensed properly after all.

A few years back I was asked to use 15 seconds from "start me up" from the Rolling stones for a short animation that I had to provide to be used at a business event where it only was shown once for 500 businessmen on a cinemascreen. Those 15 seconds did cost 13000euro (15500dollar) acc to EMI so the organisation decided to use a more simple unknown song with a 50euro license :). This is just to give you an idea on what kind of invoice you could be expecting if you ever get noticed by such a organisation and when it appears that the license you use does not exactly cover you like you where told.

May 4th, 2018, 01:43 AM	#31
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help I noticed in the FAQ for Tracks that licensing is US only. Not sure how this works for uploading to social media.

May 6th, 2018, 08:28 AM	#32
Sean Melia Tourist Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help Nothing "happened". I left SATV to work with companies like Tracks to develop broader solutions for music licensing. Only so much you can do when working in house for one company. With Tracks, I have the opportunity to help make some big changes by developing new products / solutions for creators.

May 6th, 2018, 07:47 PM	#33
Sean Melia Tourist Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help Also, the U.S. territory restriction only applies to where the videographers are based. Social media posts can be shared worldwide.

May 6th, 2018, 08:06 PM	#34
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,064	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help Hey Sean, welcome along. You'll soon get used to the sense of humour we have 'round these parts. :-) Andrew

May 7th, 2018, 09:32 AM	#36
David Potter New Boot Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Teesside Posts: 16	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help In line with Nigel's query, as a UK based videographer, can I buy a track for use on a video hosted on vimeo and embeded on my website? __________________ www.everlastingweddingvideos.co.uk www.davidpottervideography.co.uk

May 7th, 2018, 11:19 AM	#38
David Potter New Boot Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Teesside Posts: 16	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help Hi Noa I've seen you mention in other posts that you provide a 5 min film for online sharing. Where do you source music for that (assuming you are using copyrighted material)? Currently, all of my online videos have royalty free music on which is quite limiting. __________________ www.everlastingweddingvideos.co.uk www.davidpottervideography.co.uk

May 7th, 2018, 11:27 AM	#39
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help All my music comes from artlist.io

May 7th, 2018, 12:10 PM	#41
Sean Melia Tourist Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help I understand the skepticism and can't comment on Song Freedom or their practices. I'm posting to let folks know that there's a new resource in Tracks that was launched in partnership with the music business. To do this, agreements have been reached with dozens of labels and music publishers large and small and there will be more deals to come. Right now, the service is limited to U.S. based videographers. This is not a posting limitation for social media, it only affects where a business is based. Tracks is working with the industry to expand this territory, as well as allow for streamlined licensing of additional types of uses such as small business marketing, short films, non-profit and charitable promotions, etc. For some background on where this all started please see https://www.billboard.com/biz/articl...g-system-could My background can be found at https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-melia-984360b/. Any questions about music licensing in general, please feel free to reach out on the forum or at sean@rightsandcommerce.com

May 7th, 2018, 12:29 PM	#42
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: Music Licensing basics - Help Getting music properly licensed is like opening a can of worms, there are so many exceptions per country and you have to read the fine print or even better, let a lawyer read it for you. Everyone should be very cautious when using commercial music, as long as you stay under the radar nobody might bother you but all it takes is a jealous videographer or your film going viral and drawing attention that you might end up loosing your business if you find out that your music is not licensed properly after all. A few years back I was asked to use 15 seconds from "start me up" from the Rolling stones for a short animation that I had to provide to be used at a business event where it only was shown once for 500 businessmen on a cinemascreen. Those 15 seconds did cost 13000euro (15500dollar) acc to EMI so the organisation decided to use a more simple unknown song with a 50euro license :). This is just to give you an idea on what kind of invoice you could be expecting if you ever get noticed by such a organisation and when it appears that the license you use does not exactly cover you like you where told.