4K experiment this weekend! at DVinfo.net

Kyle Root · July 15th, 2015, 04:09 PM

One of my second shooters just picked up a Panasonic x1000 from some local auction place for $1400.

Everything works and it's in brand new condition. We're going to use it at my wedding shoot this weekend. Looking forward to this experiment!

Steve Burkett · July 15th, 2015, 04:12 PM

Let us know how it goes; I did ponder this camera for corporate work and video messages at Weddings, replacing my af101a, which currently fills that function.

Kyle Root · July 15th, 2015, 04:29 PM

I can't wait to try it out. He says it's about the same size as our old Canon GL1s, which I thought were just about the perfect size for weddings.

Menu is a bit clunky. He said he was impressed with the 24db gain setting and it appeared to be equivalent to 6db on his XF300.

Resolution was amazing as well.

We're going to use this as a wide shot from the back for the ceremony and try to do the crop in bit on a 1080 timeline.

Leon Bailey · July 15th, 2015, 05:16 PM

Enjoy! I have warmed up to 4k. Not for client reasons but for video production purposes.

Chris Harding · July 15th, 2015, 08:47 PM

Hi Kyle

Your comments will be quite interesting ..The thing that put me off first of all was the lack of wide angle on the fixed lens! Compared to the FZ1000 I would lose nearly 8mm in some modes (25mm against 33mm in full wide) and it is supposed to a bit sluggish in low light which is important at weddings ..but all that is just others commenting ... I was told the FZ1000 was terrible in low light but for me it shines and a lot better than my big Sony's !!

Keep us updated

Chris

Nigel Barker · July 16th, 2015, 04:51 AM

Having just purchased a Sony AX100 I am a 4K convert. The Panasonic X1000 is a bigger camera with a useful looking 20x zoom lens & XLR inputs but with only a 1/2.3" sensor versus the 1" on the Sony. It's probably overkill if you are just going to use it as a locked-off wide camera.

Dave Blackhurst · July 17th, 2015, 03:16 PM

I have yet to see 4K off a small sensor look all that impressive... just saying... when put against the larger sensor cameras, it looks to me more like 3-3.5K... close but not all there.

Chris Harding · July 17th, 2015, 08:24 PM

Panasonic have also released the FZ300 with the same sensor 1/2.3" as the X1000 and most comments I hear are also about the tiny sensor and poor low light performance and it really doesn't do nearly as well as the 1" sensor that they use in the FZ1000 ... I wonder why they chose a 1/2.3" chip for these cameras? I'm guessing on the new FZ300 it's to restrict the DOF due to the massive zoom the camera has (600X optical!!!)

Nevertheless Kyle's comments will be interesting to see

Kyle Root · July 21st, 2015, 11:53 AM

I have the X1000 footage from the ceremony. The church was moderately dark and the gain was pushed high. I was not running the camera, my second shooter was using the remote control app on his phone.

Looking at the footage on a 1080P timeline at 4K resolution (ie it's zoomed in), it looks like mush. Completely mushy and there is no way I'd be zomming in like that and leaving it.

We're going to try again at the next weeding on Aug 1 I think.

I'm still leaning towards a 1" sensor type camera as a nice balance between "low light" performance, shallow DOF ability, and "camcorder" type utility (i.e. no recording time limit).

Chris Harding · July 22nd, 2015, 08:45 AM

A lot of people say that the camera chip configuration and lens is not the best for some reason. I'm wondering if this is a camera from one of the "manufacture under licence" factories in China ... My HMC80's made in Japan blew my newer AC-130's out of the water ..especially soft lens too! It was a "Panasonic" lens as opposed to a genuine Leica lens and those are the ones that I sold in disgust after 3 months as the image was also mushy!!

On the other hand my new FZ1000's are razor sharp even at MP4 1080 at only 20mbps ... Put it into 4K and it unbelievable!! The FZ series are Japan imports with genuine Leica lenses and wow you wouldn't believe the difference!!

July 15th, 2015, 04:09 PM	#1
Kyle Root Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Decatur, AL Posts: 883	4K experiment this weekend! One of my second shooters just picked up a Panasonic x1000 from some local auction place for $1400. Everything works and it's in brand new condition. We're going to use it at my wedding shoot this weekend. Looking forward to this experiment! __________________ Kyle KR Productions; www.kyleroot.com

July 15th, 2015, 04:12 PM	#2
Steve Burkett Trustee Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Romsey, UK Posts: 1,261	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! Let us know how it goes; I did ponder this camera for corporate work and video messages at Weddings, replacing my af101a, which currently fills that function.

July 15th, 2015, 04:29 PM	#3
Kyle Root Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Decatur, AL Posts: 883	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! I can't wait to try it out. He says it's about the same size as our old Canon GL1s, which I thought were just about the perfect size for weddings. Menu is a bit clunky. He said he was impressed with the 24db gain setting and it appeared to be equivalent to 6db on his XF300. Resolution was amazing as well. We're going to use this as a wide shot from the back for the ceremony and try to do the crop in bit on a 1080 timeline. __________________ Kyle KR Productions; www.kyleroot.com

July 15th, 2015, 05:16 PM	#4
Leon Bailey Regular Crew Join Date: May 2013 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 126	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! Enjoy! I have warmed up to 4k. Not for client reasons but for video production purposes.

July 15th, 2015, 08:47 PM	#5
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! Hi Kyle Your comments will be quite interesting ..The thing that put me off first of all was the lack of wide angle on the fixed lens! Compared to the FZ1000 I would lose nearly 8mm in some modes (25mm against 33mm in full wide) and it is supposed to a bit sluggish in low light which is important at weddings ..but all that is just others commenting ... I was told the FZ1000 was terrible in low light but for me it shines and a lot better than my big Sony's !! Keep us updated Chris

July 16th, 2015, 04:51 AM	#6
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! Having just purchased a Sony AX100 I am a 4K convert. The Panasonic X1000 is a bigger camera with a useful looking 20x zoom lens & XLR inputs but with only a 1/2.3" sensor versus the 1" on the Sony. It's probably overkill if you are just going to use it as a locked-off wide camera.

July 17th, 2015, 03:16 PM	#7
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! I have yet to see 4K off a small sensor look all that impressive... just saying... when put against the larger sensor cameras, it looks to me more like 3-3.5K... close but not all there.

July 17th, 2015, 08:24 PM	#8
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! Panasonic have also released the FZ300 with the same sensor 1/2.3" as the X1000 and most comments I hear are also about the tiny sensor and poor low light performance and it really doesn't do nearly as well as the 1" sensor that they use in the FZ1000 ... I wonder why they chose a 1/2.3" chip for these cameras? I'm guessing on the new FZ300 it's to restrict the DOF due to the massive zoom the camera has (600X optical!!!) Nevertheless Kyle's comments will be interesting to see

July 21st, 2015, 11:53 AM	#9
Kyle Root Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Decatur, AL Posts: 883	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! I have the X1000 footage from the ceremony. The church was moderately dark and the gain was pushed high. I was not running the camera, my second shooter was using the remote control app on his phone. Looking at the footage on a 1080P timeline at 4K resolution (ie it's zoomed in), it looks like mush. Completely mushy and there is no way I'd be zomming in like that and leaving it. We're going to try again at the next weeding on Aug 1 I think. I'm still leaning towards a 1" sensor type camera as a nice balance between "low light" performance, shallow DOF ability, and "camcorder" type utility (i.e. no recording time limit). __________________ Kyle KR Productions; www.kyleroot.com

July 22nd, 2015, 08:45 AM	#10
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: 4K experiment this weekend! A lot of people say that the camera chip configuration and lens is not the best for some reason. I'm wondering if this is a camera from one of the "manufacture under licence" factories in China ... My HMC80's made in Japan blew my newer AC-130's out of the water ..especially soft lens too! It was a "Panasonic" lens as opposed to a genuine Leica lens and those are the ones that I sold in disgust after 3 months as the image was also mushy!! On the other hand my new FZ1000's are razor sharp even at MP4 1080 at only 20mbps ... Put it into 4K and it unbelievable!! The FZ series are Japan imports with genuine Leica lenses and wow you wouldn't believe the difference!!