USB to TV how?

Steve Bleasdale · March 3rd, 2015, 01:53 AM

OK Bingo!!
Got the feature 45 minute film to play on USB 4 GB stick
Settings.
Premiere pro, media encoder, 1280 x 720 HD setting 25 progressive, target bit-rate 6 max 12 maximum render, the file came out at 2.60 GB , which is less than i thought. No stuttering on HD TV, quality great and as good as a blu-ray.
Tried on three different TVs, and all good, all good in laptops, Bobs your uncle!!
So late today i am going back to full HD setting but going to try the bit-rate at same settings target 6 max 12 to see if i can get it in just under the 4 gb aloud for fat 32 system. I figure use all these settings and the client will have no messing around just slot in TVs and laptops without pestering us!!

Nigel Barker · March 3rd, 2015, 06:35 AM

These simple low cost HD media players have been around for more than a couple of years. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/wedding-...ml#post1745089

We were giving them out at one time. I think that trying to cover all the bases with some universal format is impossible unless it's DVD or Blu-ray disc. Just give them the basic files & let them get on with it. Most people in the relevant demographic for wedding videos are going to be computer savvy enough to be able to copy the files to their intended devices without hand holding them all the way.

Taky's solution is clever & a nice way of packaging up the video files but is by no means foolproof & will still require the user to have sufficient knowledge to play the files on their tablet or TV etc & is never going to be as simple as putting a disc into a player.

Nigel Barker · March 3rd, 2015, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Bleasdale

OK Bingo!!
Got the feature 45 minute film to play on USB 4 GB stick
Settings.
Premiere pro, media encoder, 1280 x 720 HD setting 25 progressive, target bit-rate 6 max 12 maximum render, the file came out at 2.60 GB , which is less than i thought. No stuttering on HD TV, quality great and as good as a blu-ray.
Tried on three different TVs, and all good, all good in laptops, Bobs your uncle!!
So late today i am going back to full HD setting but going to try the bit-rate at same settings target 6 max 12 to see if i can get it in just under the 4 gb aloud for fat 32 system. I figure use all these settings and the client will have no messing around just slot in TVs and laptops without pestering us!!

You can easily squeeze the bit rate down lower. If it looks good enough to you on Vimeo then get Vimeo to compress it for you. Just upload the original file to Vimeo then download the file they encoded. Last time I looked Vimeo used just 5Mbps for both 1920x1080p & 1280x720p.

Steve Bleasdale · March 3rd, 2015, 07:43 AM

Ah OK great Nigel thank you got the hang of it now cheers. Steve

Steve Bleasdale · March 4th, 2015, 03:57 AM

UPDATE
OK, so for the record if it helps others, i went through encoder again with a full HD setting 1080 x 1920, 25 frames, progressive VBR 2, target bit-rate 6, max 12, the file size came out at 3. 40 GB, played in the TV and all laptops but found that it stuttered slightly only slightly so i tried the 1280 x 720 HD setting again but 8 target bit-rate and 12 max and it played better on the TV.
So in the future i will use that setting, that way all my clients will get the DVD plus the USB with the 1280 x 720 HD setting so i am sure it will play in all TV. I have tried the USB in all 5 different TV and all work superbly. Steve

Peter Rush · March 4th, 2015, 05:45 AM

Nice work steve - so that's playing directly into the TV from a USB?

Regarding 1280 X 720 - what do you tell your clients - do you just tell them it's HD and leave it at that? - do clients even know the difference between 720 and 1080?

Pete

Chris Medico · March 4th, 2015, 07:18 AM

I did some searching and found media players with SD card reader slots in the $25-$35 range. They had HDMI out and a few also had "AutoPlay" to use for digital signage. Would something like that be an alternative? You could preload the video on a SD card and set the player to autoplay it when powered up. No worrying about video compatibility.

The ones I checked out were about the size of a deck of playing cards.

Nigel Barker · March 4th, 2015, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Medico

I did some searching and found media players with SD card reader slots in the $25-$35 range. They had HDMI out and a few also had "AutoPlay" to use for digital signage. Would something like that be an alternative? You could preload the video on a SD card and set the player to autoplay it when powered up. No worrying about video compatibility.

The ones I checked out were about the size of a deck of playing cards.

They work well although the remotes are pretty crappy. As I noted in an earlier reply we used to give them out at one time before realising that none of our clients were so technically challenged that they couldn't figure out how to download a file from Dropbox. What they did with it afterwards was up to them. We always provided Blu-ray & DVD so the HD files were just a freebie. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/wedding-...ml#post1745089

Steve Bleasdale · March 4th, 2015, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Rush

Nice work steve - so that's playing directly into the TV from a USB?

Regarding 1280 X 720 - what do you tell your clients - do you just tell them it's HD and leave it at that? - do clients even know the difference between 720 and 1080?

Pete

Hi Peter,
Yes the 4 GB USB straight into the TV and plays lovely, if the film is more than one hour you may have to drop the bit-rate again, but my 45/50 minute film came in at 3.25 GB on the higher bit-rate so you can drop down and still keep the quality.
Yes i will just say its HD, your right they don't know the difference but i must say 1280 x 720 looks great...

David Banner · May 17th, 2019, 08:33 AM

It's been a few years now. so things may have changed a bit. How are you guys getting USB flash drives to work on TVs now?

Tom Van den Berghe · May 17th, 2019, 11:41 AM

I just did my first project on usb delivery and no complaints.

Usb stick is formatted as FAT32 so each chapter is maximum 4 GB.
MP4 video file. 720/50p video size. Didn't take the risk of 1080/50p. My 9 year old tv doesn't play that.

I does play 720/50p and blu ray is also 720/50p. Quality is as good as blu ray to me.

Usb 2.0 I use because USB 3.0 is too expensive. I used handbrake to make to 720P file.

When I switch my video gear to 4K I will start with 1080P video files.

David Banner · May 17th, 2019, 03:41 PM

Thanks Tom. That's a good idea. I probably should scale it down to 720p also.
I'm in usa so Is 720 30p safe enough or should I stick with 720 60p?

Tom Van den Berghe · May 18th, 2019, 04:58 AM

David,

I never shoot 30P (25P) always 60/50P because sometimes I slowmo my video to 50% in post.

David Banner · May 18th, 2019, 07:25 PM

Yeah I was going to shoot in 60p but for USB delivery I was considering exporting the videos in 30p to save space, unless it is somehow less compatible with USB playback on TV.
I know if delivery was via blu-ray I'd have to export according to one of the limited blu-ray standards, but since this is usb flash drive ....?

Tom Van den Berghe · November 24th, 2019, 05:57 AM

A customer had problems to play some files from a USB stick I made.
FAT 32 and MP4 file 720P. The strange thing is that some files play and others don't.

First I made a 1080p MP4 from my editing software (vegas moviestudio) and then in handbrake I shrink this to 720P mp4 so I can fit everything on this usb stick.

Is the problem that maybe some files were filmed with another camcorder and is a specific code the problem? But I would guess the file I render to is that is important and not the source.

It was a sony Bravia tv that couldn't play all files and my camcorders are sony camcorders and 1 panasonic camcorder.

March 3rd, 2015, 01:53 AM	#31
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: USB to TV how? OK Bingo!! Got the feature 45 minute film to play on USB 4 GB stick Settings. Premiere pro, media encoder, 1280 x 720 HD setting 25 progressive, target bit-rate 6 max 12 maximum render, the file came out at 2.60 GB , which is less than i thought. No stuttering on HD TV, quality great and as good as a blu-ray. Tried on three different TVs, and all good, all good in laptops, Bobs your uncle!! So late today i am going back to full HD setting but going to try the bit-rate at same settings target 6 max 12 to see if i can get it in just under the 4 gb aloud for fat 32 system. I figure use all these settings and the client will have no messing around just slot in TVs and laptops without pestering us!!

March 3rd, 2015, 06:35 AM	#32
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Re: USB to TV how? These simple low cost HD media players have been around for more than a couple of years. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/wedding-...ml#post1745089 We were giving them out at one time. I think that trying to cover all the bases with some universal format is impossible unless it's DVD or Blu-ray disc. Just give them the basic files & let them get on with it. Most people in the relevant demographic for wedding videos are going to be computer savvy enough to be able to copy the files to their intended devices without hand holding them all the way. Taky's solution is clever & a nice way of packaging up the video files but is by no means foolproof & will still require the user to have sufficient knowledge to play the files on their tablet or TV etc & is never going to be as simple as putting a disc into a player.

March 3rd, 2015, 07:43 AM	#34
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: USB to TV how? Ah OK great Nigel thank you got the hang of it now cheers. Steve

March 4th, 2015, 03:57 AM	#35
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: USB to TV how? UPDATE OK, so for the record if it helps others, i went through encoder again with a full HD setting 1080 x 1920, 25 frames, progressive VBR 2, target bit-rate 6, max 12, the file size came out at 3. 40 GB, played in the TV and all laptops but found that it stuttered slightly only slightly so i tried the 1280 x 720 HD setting again but 8 target bit-rate and 12 max and it played better on the TV. So in the future i will use that setting, that way all my clients will get the DVD plus the USB with the 1280 x 720 HD setting so i am sure it will play in all TV. I have tried the USB in all 5 different TV and all work superbly. Steve

March 4th, 2015, 05:45 AM	#36
Peter Rush Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK/Yorkshire Posts: 2,069	Re: USB to TV how? Nice work steve - so that's playing directly into the TV from a USB? Regarding 1280 X 720 - what do you tell your clients - do you just tell them it's HD and leave it at that? - do clients even know the difference between 720 and 1080? Pete

March 4th, 2015, 07:18 AM	#37
Chris Medico Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Efland NC, USA Posts: 2,322	Re: USB to TV how? I did some searching and found media players with SD card reader slots in the $25-$35 range. They had HDMI out and a few also had "AutoPlay" to use for digital signage. Would something like that be an alternative? You could preload the video on a SD card and set the player to autoplay it when powered up. No worrying about video compatibility. The ones I checked out were about the size of a deck of playing cards. __________________ http://www.LandYachtMedia.com

May 17th, 2019, 08:33 AM	#40
David Banner Major Player Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Bentonville, AR Posts: 239	Re: USB to TV how? It's been a few years now. so things may have changed a bit. How are you guys getting USB flash drives to work on TVs now?

May 17th, 2019, 11:41 AM	#41
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 402	Re: USB to TV how? I just did my first project on usb delivery and no complaints. Usb stick is formatted as FAT32 so each chapter is maximum 4 GB. MP4 video file. 720/50p video size. Didn't take the risk of 1080/50p. My 9 year old tv doesn't play that. I does play 720/50p and blu ray is also 720/50p. Quality is as good as blu ray to me. Usb 2.0 I use because USB 3.0 is too expensive. I used handbrake to make to 720P file. When I switch my video gear to 4K I will start with 1080P video files.

May 17th, 2019, 03:41 PM	#42
David Banner Major Player Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Bentonville, AR Posts: 239	Re: USB to TV how? Thanks Tom. That's a good idea. I probably should scale it down to 720p also. I'm in usa so Is 720 30p safe enough or should I stick with 720 60p?

May 18th, 2019, 04:58 AM	#43
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 402	Re: USB to TV how? David, I never shoot 30P (25P) always 60/50P because sometimes I slowmo my video to 50% in post.

May 18th, 2019, 07:25 PM	#44
David Banner Major Player Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Bentonville, AR Posts: 239	Re: USB to TV how? Yeah I was going to shoot in 60p but for USB delivery I was considering exporting the videos in 30p to save space, unless it is somehow less compatible with USB playback on TV. I know if delivery was via blu-ray I'd have to export according to one of the limited blu-ray standards, but since this is usb flash drive ....?

November 24th, 2019, 05:57 AM	#45
Tom Van den Berghe Major Player Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BELGIUM Posts: 402	Re: USB to TV how? A customer had problems to play some files from a USB stick I made. FAT 32 and MP4 file 720P. The strange thing is that some files play and others don't. First I made a 1080p MP4 from my editing software (vegas moviestudio) and then in handbrake I shrink this to 720P mp4 so I can fit everything on this usb stick. Is the problem that maybe some files were filmed with another camcorder and is a specific code the problem? But I would guess the file I render to is that is important and not the source. It was a sony Bravia tv that couldn't play all files and my camcorders are sony camcorders and 1 panasonic camcorder.