gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers

Roger Gunkel · October 15th, 2014, 02:53 AM

It's fascinating hearing everyone getting excited about portable, as I have been working small and portable out of one bag for years. I carry two video cams and a GoPro 3, a tripod with a double camera mount and a selection of mini tripods, clamps etc. I also have a 132 led light and a couple of voice recorders tucked in the bag. For the photo and video package, I have another small bag with my Canon dslr and Lumix FZ200 although I will shortly be getting a FZ1000 to replace a video camera and one FZ200.

I'll be following the 3 axis stabiliser with interest as it is just the sort of thing I can see using a lot.

Roger

Peter Rush · October 15th, 2014, 03:18 AM

What double tripod mount do you use Roger? surely your wide shot isn't a safety shot though as when you move your head for pan or tilt then both cameras move. I use my safety shot camera to mask my moves :/

Roger Gunkel · October 15th, 2014, 04:43 AM

Hi Pete,

I use a double tripod plate with a videocam and dslr so that I can take stills of anything I am pointing the main camera at during the day. It's very easy to whip the stills camera off the tripod if I want to hand hold it, while leaving the video at a different angle. I also use a clamp mount on the central shaft of the tripod just under the tripod head, with another video cam. That means I can keep it on a wide angle without it being affected by the pan and tilt of the tripod head. As I maintain a fixed position during the ceremony, that's not a problem, and it's useful for the speeches.

Given the space of course, I would usually clamp the second video cam on the opposite side of the couple for a totally different angle, and also mount the GoPro as a safety shot. I try to avoid extra tripods and stands as much as possible, as clamps are so much easier to attach to something, take no space and are quick and easy to chuck in the bag with camera attached when you are on your own. It also means that breakdown time takes seconds.

I like to be very mobile while still having multi camera options with fast setup and breakdown, another reason why the 3axis GoPro mount looks like it could be a useful addition.

Roger

Noa Put · October 15th, 2014, 04:57 AM

More of these handheld stabilisers start to appear, JOBO has the GYROpod MD-1 for camera's up to 750gr and a smaller version, the sp1 for smartphones, both are 2 axis stabilised, If you look on vimeo (by clicking on the title of the video) for the reactions you can see it is not positive, not sure it is a user error.

Roger Gunkel · October 15th, 2014, 05:05 AM

I think a lot of companies are going to be jumping on the bandwagon with these hand held stabilsers. I have a 2 axis gimbal on my quadcopter that I was going to try to mount as a handheld stabilser. You can also buy the 2 axis gimbals now for under £60 that should be easy to adapt.

My thoughts were also to have one permanently clamped to my main tripod on the shaft with a goPro, so that I had an immediate steady cam that I could switch on and off at any time I wanted.

Roger

Noa Put · October 16th, 2014, 02:11 AM

Just got the confirmation that delivery will be tomorrow, only 4 days to get to my door, that's fast. What was new though is that DHL send me a text message that they can't deliver until I paid import duties which was easy to do as they give you a trackingnr and password and a link to their website where you can pay directly with visa. I had to pay 21 euro.
The gopro 4 black is expected to arrive in Belgium first week of November.

Adrian Tan · October 16th, 2014, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Rush

What double tripod mount do you use Roger? surely your wide shot isn't a safety shot though as when you move your head for pan or tilt then both cameras move. I use my safety shot camera to mask my moves :/

Here's something I occasionally use: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5407-REG/Manfrotto_3153B_3153B_Double_Head_Support.html
Mounts two fluid heads on top of a bar on top of the tripod, so you can pan each one independently.

Dave Partington · October 16th, 2014, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian Tan

Here's something I occasionally use: Manfrotto 131DDB Replacement for Manfrotto 3153B | B&H Photo

Mounts two fluid heads on top of a bar on top of the tripod, so you can pan each one independently.

Don't you get any camera wobble vibration on the wide just by panning the other one? None at all?

Adrian Tan · October 16th, 2014, 04:08 AM

Not that I've noticed, but you've made me worried now! I'll do a test and post a video. I've never panned it aggressively or anything like that.

Dave Partington · October 16th, 2014, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian Tan

Not that I've noticed, but you've made me worried now! I'll do a test and post a video. I've never panned it aggressively or anything like that.

A picture would be good too....

Also, what kind of tripod do you have this mounted on? It's got me thinking about a couple of jobs I have coming up in tight spaces, but I'm concerned the regular tripod I use may not be up to the task of not twisting.

Noa Put · October 16th, 2014, 04:39 AM

Not that I don't find this interesting but might be good to start a separate topic for this and keep the focus on handheld 2 or 3 axis stabilisers.

Roger Gunkel · October 16th, 2014, 05:57 AM

Just took your advice Noa and started a new thread here http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/wedding-...ml#post1865073

Roger

Chris Harding · October 16th, 2014, 08:38 AM

Hey Noa

Is there a huge advantage using a 3 axis unit as opposed to a 2 axis one .... They are a lot cheaper but would ones video suffer a bit compared to using a stedicam ... Gosh I like the idea of being able to pick up a rig with just one hand and do a shoot!!

Chris

Roger? I was also looking as an FZ1000 .. I was wondering if it could cut in in low light reception venues ??

Noa Put · October 16th, 2014, 08:48 AM

I have no idea what I will be getting into, the stabiliser will be arriving tomorrow but I will have to wait at least 3 weeks before I can put it to use, will be doing enough "fun" stuff before I would take it to a wedding, maybe I"ll attach a mattebox to it so it doesn't look so ridiculous :)

Roger Gunkel · October 16th, 2014, 08:56 AM

Hi Chris,

That"s a good question, and the answer is I don't know. With a much larger sensor and better optics than my current cameras, it should be an improvement on what I achieve now, although that is pretty good anyway. the current internet wisdom seems to be that it is on a par with the Sony RX10, although the Sony has the edge on maximum telephoto range light handling. The Lumix will also use higher iso than I can currently use before graining is noticeable, so for me I can't see it be anything other than a move forward at a great price, both for video and stills convenience.

As I already have a couple of Lumix FZ200 cams that I am very happy with and I have always had great reliability with Panasonic gear, it seems a logical step.

Oh dear, another diversion from the 3 axis gimbal, sorry folks :-(

Roger

October 15th, 2014, 02:53 AM	#16
Roger Gunkel Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: LIncolnshire, UK Posts: 2,213	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers It's fascinating hearing everyone getting excited about portable, as I have been working small and portable out of one bag for years. I carry two video cams and a GoPro 3, a tripod with a double camera mount and a selection of mini tripods, clamps etc. I also have a 132 led light and a couple of voice recorders tucked in the bag. For the photo and video package, I have another small bag with my Canon dslr and Lumix FZ200 although I will shortly be getting a FZ1000 to replace a video camera and one FZ200. I'll be following the 3 axis stabiliser with interest as it is just the sort of thing I can see using a lot. Roger

October 15th, 2014, 03:18 AM	#17
Peter Rush Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK/Yorkshire Posts: 2,069	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers What double tripod mount do you use Roger? surely your wide shot isn't a safety shot though as when you move your head for pan or tilt then both cameras move. I use my safety shot camera to mask my moves :/

October 15th, 2014, 04:43 AM	#18
Roger Gunkel Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: LIncolnshire, UK Posts: 2,213	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers Hi Pete, I use a double tripod plate with a videocam and dslr so that I can take stills of anything I am pointing the main camera at during the day. It's very easy to whip the stills camera off the tripod if I want to hand hold it, while leaving the video at a different angle. I also use a clamp mount on the central shaft of the tripod just under the tripod head, with another video cam. That means I can keep it on a wide angle without it being affected by the pan and tilt of the tripod head. As I maintain a fixed position during the ceremony, that's not a problem, and it's useful for the speeches. Given the space of course, I would usually clamp the second video cam on the opposite side of the couple for a totally different angle, and also mount the GoPro as a safety shot. I try to avoid extra tripods and stands as much as possible, as clamps are so much easier to attach to something, take no space and are quick and easy to chuck in the bag with camera attached when you are on your own. It also means that breakdown time takes seconds. I like to be very mobile while still having multi camera options with fast setup and breakdown, another reason why the 3axis GoPro mount looks like it could be a useful addition. Roger

October 15th, 2014, 04:57 AM	#19
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers More of these handheld stabilisers start to appear, JOBO has the GYROpod MD-1 for camera's up to 750gr and a smaller version, the sp1 for smartphones, both are 2 axis stabilised, If you look on vimeo (by clicking on the title of the video) for the reactions you can see it is not positive, not sure it is a user error. Gazer Gyro-Pod MD1 Introductory Tutorial on Vimeo

October 15th, 2014, 05:05 AM	#20
Roger Gunkel Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: LIncolnshire, UK Posts: 2,213	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers I think a lot of companies are going to be jumping on the bandwagon with these hand held stabilsers. I have a 2 axis gimbal on my quadcopter that I was going to try to mount as a handheld stabilser. You can also buy the 2 axis gimbals now for under £60 that should be easy to adapt. My thoughts were also to have one permanently clamped to my main tripod on the shaft with a goPro, so that I had an immediate steady cam that I could switch on and off at any time I wanted. Roger

October 16th, 2014, 02:11 AM	#21
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers Just got the confirmation that delivery will be tomorrow, only 4 days to get to my door, that's fast. What was new though is that DHL send me a text message that they can't deliver until I paid import duties which was easy to do as they give you a trackingnr and password and a link to their website where you can pay directly with visa. I had to pay 21 euro. The gopro 4 black is expected to arrive in Belgium first week of November.

October 16th, 2014, 04:08 AM	#24
Adrian Tan Trustee Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,149	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers Not that I've noticed, but you've made me worried now! I'll do a test and post a video. I've never panned it aggressively or anything like that.

October 16th, 2014, 04:39 AM	#26
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers Not that I don't find this interesting but might be good to start a separate topic for this and keep the focus on handheld 2 or 3 axis stabilisers.

October 16th, 2014, 05:57 AM	#27
Roger Gunkel Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: LIncolnshire, UK Posts: 2,213	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers Just took your advice Noa and started a new thread here http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/wedding-...ml#post1865073 Roger

October 16th, 2014, 08:38 AM	#28
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers Hey Noa Is there a huge advantage using a 3 axis unit as opposed to a 2 axis one .... They are a lot cheaper but would ones video suffer a bit compared to using a stedicam ... Gosh I like the idea of being able to pick up a rig with just one hand and do a shoot!! Chris Roger? I was also looking as an FZ1000 .. I was wondering if it could cut in in low light reception venues ??

October 16th, 2014, 08:48 AM	#29
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers I have no idea what I will be getting into, the stabiliser will be arriving tomorrow but I will have to wait at least 3 weeks before I can put it to use, will be doing enough "fun" stuff before I would take it to a wedding, maybe I"ll attach a mattebox to it so it doesn't look so ridiculous :)

October 16th, 2014, 08:56 AM	#30
Roger Gunkel Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: LIncolnshire, UK Posts: 2,213	Re: gopro 4 with 3 axis stabilisers Hi Chris, That"s a good question, and the answer is I don't know. With a much larger sensor and better optics than my current cameras, it should be an improvement on what I achieve now, although that is pretty good anyway. the current internet wisdom seems to be that it is on a par with the Sony RX10, although the Sony has the edge on maximum telephoto range light handling. The Lumix will also use higher iso than I can currently use before graining is noticeable, so for me I can't see it be anything other than a move forward at a great price, both for video and stills convenience. As I already have a couple of Lumix FZ200 cams that I am very happy with and I have always had great reliability with Panasonic gear, it seems a logical step. Oh dear, another diversion from the 3 axis gimbal, sorry folks :-( Roger