How do you deal with re-edits?

Chris Harding · July 19th, 2013, 07:11 PM

Correct as usual Don. Yep If you keep saying yes, soon you will also be saying yes to the question "Did your business fail?"

Adrian? Are you kidding about what edits bride's want? They have zero edit skills and ability so they are not going to ask you anything technical or complain about anything technical. It will be something as simple as "My dad's in a wheel chair so please get some footage of him arriving in the taxi" I think if you DID find a bride you actually was a pro editor she would have already organised for someone in her industry to do the shoot and give her the raw footage.

My main reason for stopping re-edits was a bride who spent 3 straight days with me (8 hours at a time) with all her complaints written on 8 pages of paper. It even ranged to "my hair is out of place, cut that out" and "my husband is touching his nose, it looks like he is picking it...cut that out" .. That was many years ago though!!

Chris

Andrew Schear · July 20th, 2013, 02:57 PM

I skimmed the thread so forgive me if this has already been said...but am I the only one that screens everything on Youtube or Vimeo for my clients and receives approval before creating the DVD's? I thought that would be pretty standard practice but I suppose not! In my opinion, that's how we work with all other corporate clients, so why wouldn't weddings be the same?

I provide up to 2 rounds of revision on any edited portion. Once it's approved by the client from the Youtube screening, that's it! No more changes after I send the DVD's. I've never had a DVD come back. But I do make revisions all the time for clients.

Chris Harding · July 20th, 2013, 07:46 PM

Hi Andrew

I upload the ceremony on YouTube but they only get the link with their DVD's. Do you really upload ALL the edited video onto youtube?? So there could be easily 1 -2 hours of footage for them to approve??

I still think that if you give them a preview copy (a trailer is something totally different of course) you are inviting them to find fault with it. It also takes a lot of effort to have to render to MP4 for YT and then MPEG2 for the DVD's ...that's double work!!

Chris

Al Gardner · July 20th, 2013, 07:50 PM

I love the fact that you would think a Bride hired you because she saw your talent and skills and loved your creativity.

Yet you don't believe she would trust you with the final edit. The bride has put her faith in you , but youlack the confidence to run with it.

That's kind of bi-polar.

None of my clients would allow me to post anything on youtube or any other site anyway.

Daniel Latimer · July 20th, 2013, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Gardner

None of my clients would allow me to post anything on youtube or any other site anyway.

why not? I think it is a great way to advertise your work.

Al Gardner · July 20th, 2013, 09:27 PM

I work with a lot of sensitive content. Pharmaceutical etc. Lots of confidentiality agreements.

It pays well but it sucks when you think of making a demo reel.

Stelios Christofides · July 21st, 2013, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Latimer

why not? I think it is a great way to advertise your work.

I always put the musical video (3-4 minutes) on YouTube, unless I have strict instructions from the couple not to.

stelios

Chris Harding · July 21st, 2013, 05:27 AM

I have various segments of various weddings on YouTube so clients can see how I approach the preps, photoshoot and reception segments. However, like Stelios, each bride also has their ceremony uploaded and shortened to under 15 minutes and I embed that on a private page within my site for them so they can show overseas family and friends. If they don't want it made public then I simply make it unlisted. I have had one couple that wanted the video removed as hubby was an undercover policeman which is fair enough. Most couples are delighted to have a bit of their wedding that they can send a link to friends or embed into Facebook.

Even my samples on the site are still uploaded initially to YouTube and then I run Video Lightbox on my samples page which calls the video from YouTube and makes it look pretty.

It is a pretty good way to get exposure ..I used to host all my own clips on my host server but YouTube hosting is quicker and I started using them at the end of 2005 ...so far 84,000 brides have watched various clips so that must count for something!!

Chris

Al Gardner · July 21st, 2013, 09:31 AM

Chris,
It sounds like your solution keeps your cients off of you tube and on your site. Is that correct?

The last thing I would want to do is send my client to you tube.

Al Gardner · July 21st, 2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Harding

Even my samples on the site are still uploaded initially to YouTube and then I run Video Lightbox on my samples page which calls the video from YouTube and makes it look pretty.

Chris

Chris when you do this with YouTube does the client get commercials in the front of the video?

Don Bloom · July 21st, 2013, 04:36 PM

I've had clients in the past where I had to sign a NDA and give them the tapes (back then) AND the external HDD I used. Some clients have no sense of humor and you know what...I don't blame them. Some stuff just doesn't need to be on the interweb! :-)

Chris Harding · July 21st, 2013, 06:46 PM

Hi Al

I'm pretty careful about using Royalty free music so I don't see ads but I would suspect yes, if you video attracts ads on YouTube, it will still have those ads glued to it if you use other software to embed it.

I am pretty sure the only way to lose the ads is to not have commercial music there but using something like Video Lightbox does make the whole thing a lot more classier with really neat thumbnails and a video that pops into the centre when you click the thumbnails so you also don't get the confusion that a YT site shows. It's worth taking a look at!

Chris

Mark Whittle · July 21st, 2013, 07:37 PM

You tube will sometimes present the viewer with a bunch of your opposition's clips after playing yours, or some random unrelated clip, even on an embedded page. Who wants that?

I use Vimeo. You get no ads, you can control every aspect of the presentation of the embedded clip like what happens after the clip plays, you can have your own logo instead of the vimeo logo... if you have a dropbox account you can upload via dropbox... password protect and other features.

All the clips on my sample page are from vimeo: Weddings | Supernova Wedding Videos

Al Gardner · July 21st, 2013, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Harding

Hi Al

I'm pretty careful about using Royalty free music so I don't see ads but I would suspect yes, if you video attracts ads on YouTube, it will still have those ads glued to it if you use other software to embed it.

I am pretty sure the only way to lose the ads is to not have commercial music there but using something like Video Lightbox does make the whole thing a lot more classier with really neat thumbnails and a video that pops into the centre when you click the thumbnails so you also don't get the confusion that a YT site shows. It's worth taking a look at!

Chris

I don't think it has anything to do with commercial music. I see ads on stuff that doesn't even have music.

And you always get led away from your work. I hate that. Love your Video Lightbox idea though.

On another note, does You Tube give you actual statistics? I know sometimes you think that x amount of people have watched your video and actually x amount of people have just clicked on your video.

I think Vimeo gives you how many actual plays you had....maybe. And with my need for client privacy Vimeo works really well for me.

Just wondering with Vimeo Pro being only $59 a year why wouldn't you use it? It's a much better showcase for your work.

Chris Harding · July 22nd, 2013, 12:49 AM

Hi Al

I guess it's just a personal choice! I did use Vimeo briefly a few years back and potential brides were complaining about the video stopping to buffer the whole time. I just find that You Tube, even though it's not as "professional" just works better. With Video Light Box once the clip has ended the software does an inwards transition and the clip is gone so it goes nowhere else at all .. A client just clicks on the thumbnail and then video is expanded centre screen on your page with a customised style and size and auto plays. I liked it so I kept it as the YouTube custom player, which does the same thing, restricted the video size and style.

I agree than $59 is peanuts but I'd rather pay the money to Video Light Box instead....Wow Slider is also neat if you want to display stills ...I use that for the photo side.

Chris

July 19th, 2013, 07:11 PM	#31
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? Correct as usual Don. Yep If you keep saying yes, soon you will also be saying yes to the question "Did your business fail?" Adrian? Are you kidding about what edits bride's want? They have zero edit skills and ability so they are not going to ask you anything technical or complain about anything technical. It will be something as simple as "My dad's in a wheel chair so please get some footage of him arriving in the taxi" I think if you DID find a bride you actually was a pro editor she would have already organised for someone in her industry to do the shoot and give her the raw footage. My main reason for stopping re-edits was a bride who spent 3 straight days with me (8 hours at a time) with all her complaints written on 8 pages of paper. It even ranged to "my hair is out of place, cut that out" and "my husband is touching his nose, it looks like he is picking it...cut that out" .. That was many years ago though!! Chris

July 20th, 2013, 02:57 PM	#32
Andrew Schear Tourist Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? I skimmed the thread so forgive me if this has already been said...but am I the only one that screens everything on Youtube or Vimeo for my clients and receives approval before creating the DVD's? I thought that would be pretty standard practice but I suppose not! In my opinion, that's how we work with all other corporate clients, so why wouldn't weddings be the same? I provide up to 2 rounds of revision on any edited portion. Once it's approved by the client from the Youtube screening, that's it! No more changes after I send the DVD's. I've never had a DVD come back. But I do make revisions all the time for clients.

July 20th, 2013, 07:46 PM	#33
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? Hi Andrew I upload the ceremony on YouTube but they only get the link with their DVD's. Do you really upload ALL the edited video onto youtube?? So there could be easily 1 -2 hours of footage for them to approve?? I still think that if you give them a preview copy (a trailer is something totally different of course) you are inviting them to find fault with it. It also takes a lot of effort to have to render to MP4 for YT and then MPEG2 for the DVD's ...that's double work!! Chris

July 20th, 2013, 07:50 PM	#34
Al Gardner Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego CA. and New Orleans, Loiuisana Posts: 355	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? I love the fact that you would think a Bride hired you because she saw your talent and skills and loved your creativity. Yet you don't believe she would trust you with the final edit. The bride has put her faith in you , but youlack the confidence to run with it. That's kind of bi-polar. None of my clients would allow me to post anything on youtube or any other site anyway.

July 20th, 2013, 09:27 PM	#36
Al Gardner Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego CA. and New Orleans, Loiuisana Posts: 355	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? I work with a lot of sensitive content. Pharmaceutical etc. Lots of confidentiality agreements. It pays well but it sucks when you think of making a demo reel.

July 21st, 2013, 05:27 AM	#38
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? I have various segments of various weddings on YouTube so clients can see how I approach the preps, photoshoot and reception segments. However, like Stelios, each bride also has their ceremony uploaded and shortened to under 15 minutes and I embed that on a private page within my site for them so they can show overseas family and friends. If they don't want it made public then I simply make it unlisted. I have had one couple that wanted the video removed as hubby was an undercover policeman which is fair enough. Most couples are delighted to have a bit of their wedding that they can send a link to friends or embed into Facebook. Even my samples on the site are still uploaded initially to YouTube and then I run Video Lightbox on my samples page which calls the video from YouTube and makes it look pretty. It is a pretty good way to get exposure ..I used to host all my own clips on my host server but YouTube hosting is quicker and I started using them at the end of 2005 ...so far 84,000 brides have watched various clips so that must count for something!! Chris

July 21st, 2013, 09:31 AM	#39
Al Gardner Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego CA. and New Orleans, Loiuisana Posts: 355	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? Chris, It sounds like your solution keeps your cients off of you tube and on your site. Is that correct? The last thing I would want to do is send my client to you tube.

July 21st, 2013, 04:36 PM	#41
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? I've had clients in the past where I had to sign a NDA and give them the tapes (back then) AND the external HDD I used. Some clients have no sense of humor and you know what...I don't blame them. Some stuff just doesn't need to be on the interweb! :-) __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

July 21st, 2013, 06:46 PM	#42
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? Hi Al I'm pretty careful about using Royalty free music so I don't see ads but I would suspect yes, if you video attracts ads on YouTube, it will still have those ads glued to it if you use other software to embed it. I am pretty sure the only way to lose the ads is to not have commercial music there but using something like Video Lightbox does make the whole thing a lot more classier with really neat thumbnails and a video that pops into the centre when you click the thumbnails so you also don't get the confusion that a YT site shows. It's worth taking a look at! Chris

July 21st, 2013, 07:37 PM	#43
Mark Whittle Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bunbury, Western Australia Posts: 153	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? You tube will sometimes present the viewer with a bunch of your opposition's clips after playing yours, or some random unrelated clip, even on an embedded page. Who wants that? I use Vimeo. You get no ads, you can control every aspect of the presentation of the embedded clip like what happens after the clip plays, you can have your own logo instead of the vimeo logo... if you have a dropbox account you can upload via dropbox... password protect and other features. All the clips on my sample page are from vimeo: Weddings \| Supernova Wedding Videos __________________ MW

July 22nd, 2013, 12:49 AM	#45
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: How do you deal with re-edits? Hi Al I guess it's just a personal choice! I did use Vimeo briefly a few years back and potential brides were complaining about the video stopping to buffer the whole time. I just find that You Tube, even though it's not as "professional" just works better. With Video Light Box once the clip has ended the software does an inwards transition and the clip is gone so it goes nowhere else at all .. A client just clicks on the thumbnail and then video is expanded centre screen on your page with a customised style and size and auto plays. I liked it so I kept it as the YouTube custom player, which does the same thing, restricted the video size and style. I agree than $59 is peanuts but I'd rather pay the money to Video Light Box instead....Wow Slider is also neat if you want to display stills ...I use that for the photo side. Chris