Frame rate question 2.0 at DVinfo.net

Randy Johnson · November 15th, 2012, 08:48 PM

I am starting to edit some footage I shot about a month ago. I used my old jvc GY-HD100 and mixed it with my Panasonic AG-HMC 150.The JVC only shoots in 720p 30 or 24 I used 30 The filmy softness started to grow on me but I cant get passed the studderyness. Is there a way to get the filmy look and still keep a proper frame rate? Maybe 720p 60??

Adrian Tan · November 16th, 2012, 05:10 PM

Hey Randy, could you rephrase? Are you're saying you want it to look like film in terms of 24fps frame rate, but at the same time you don't like that frame rate, because it doesn't flow enough for your taste?

If so, I'm not sure you can have your cake and eat it, but I'm definitely no frame rate guru...

To make an obvious comment, I think it's more than frame rate that makes something look "filmic". So, if you're shooting with a big dynamic range and shallow depth of field, and take care with composing and lighting the image and with production design and grading, and maybe add some film texture in post... Good sound as well of course... I think that will look pretty filmic to most people, even if it's not at 24fps.

Andrew Smith · November 19th, 2012, 03:04 AM

You could always try shooting in PAL which is 25fps. Then standards convert your final edit.

Andrew

Andrew Giordano · November 20th, 2012, 10:35 AM

The shutter speed has a great, if not greater influence on motion and stutter than frame rate. I've found most people generally will multiply the frame rate by 2 and that equals a good start for what your shutter should be. So a frame rate of 30 should have a shutter of 1/60. This is a generality. IMO, if you want it more natural, I would still lower it to 1/40 or 1/50 for a natural blur. This is something you can test out very easily without touching your computer. Just plug the camera into your TV and test some motion and see the differences shutter has on motion.

November 15th, 2012, 08:48 PM	#1
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Frame rate question 2.0 I am starting to edit some footage I shot about a month ago. I used my old jvc GY-HD100 and mixed it with my Panasonic AG-HMC 150.The JVC only shoots in 720p 30 or 24 I used 30 The filmy softness started to grow on me but I cant get passed the studderyness. Is there a way to get the filmy look and still keep a proper frame rate? Maybe 720p 60??

November 16th, 2012, 05:10 PM	#2
Adrian Tan Trustee Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,149	Re: Frame rate question 2.0 Hey Randy, could you rephrase? Are you're saying you want it to look like film in terms of 24fps frame rate, but at the same time you don't like that frame rate, because it doesn't flow enough for your taste? If so, I'm not sure you can have your cake and eat it, but I'm definitely no frame rate guru... To make an obvious comment, I think it's more than frame rate that makes something look "filmic". So, if you're shooting with a big dynamic range and shallow depth of field, and take care with composing and lighting the image and with production design and grading, and maybe add some film texture in post... Good sound as well of course... I think that will look pretty filmic to most people, even if it's not at 24fps. Last edited by Adrian Tan; November 17th, 2012 at 02:49 PM.

November 19th, 2012, 03:04 AM	#3
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,068	Re: Frame rate question 2.0 You could always try shooting in PAL which is 25fps. Then standards convert your final edit. Andrew

November 20th, 2012, 10:35 AM	#4
Andrew Giordano New Boot Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 20	Re: Frame rate question 2.0 The shutter speed has a great, if not greater influence on motion and stutter than frame rate. I've found most people generally will multiply the frame rate by 2 and that equals a good start for what your shutter should be. So a frame rate of 30 should have a shutter of 1/60. This is a generality. IMO, if you want it more natural, I would still lower it to 1/40 or 1/50 for a natural blur. This is something you can test out very easily without touching your computer. Just plug the camera into your TV and test some motion and see the differences shutter has on motion.