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Victor Boyko · August 13th, 2011, 07:21 AM

anyone actually filming weddings in 3D? I barely had a client ask me for blu-ray.

Chris Harding · August 14th, 2011, 10:30 PM

Hi Victor

In the land of Oz I haven't yet had a client ever had a client ask for BluRay yet they all seem to have 50" LCD or Plasma TV's but virtually none have BluRay players!!

I might take one step upwards and render their weddings on 1280x720 progresssive as an MP4 and drop it onto a USB stick.... then they can at least watch an HD version on their computer and those with media players can also watch on their TV's too!! I'm still wondering if BD will fade away in a year or so in favor of digital media???

As for 3D...one client had a 3D TV and was complaining about lack of material..he sits and watches the demo that came with his TV!!! Cameras are still horribily expensive...the cheapest prosumer Panasonic is still $21K and that looks like a toy!!! Business wise it isn't worth the investment for me when there is no demand.

There is someone here that DOES do 3D!!! but for now I'm not even considering it...how do the couple give their Grandparents a copy when they probably still have a CRT TV and a VHS player?????

I really hate losing the nice HD image for SD but you have to supply what the client wants and at present for me it's definately not 3D!!

Chris

Giroud Francois · August 15th, 2011, 12:35 AM

currently i shoot 3d even if the customer did not ask, because with the sony TD10 it is so easy, that it is transparent. I plan to go that way as mainstream, and then you can choose in post if you really want the hassle to edit 3D or just leave it as 2D.

Michael Johnston · August 18th, 2011, 09:11 AM

I will never offer it. I offer a free Blu-Ray player with the purchase of a HD pkg and still am only getting requests for DVD's. Who is really going to want to watch their wedding in 3D? I think it's a waste of time and money.

Corey Graham · August 18th, 2011, 10:04 AM

I'll never offer it either. I think it's a fad anyhow, just as it's shown to be a passing gimmick in decades past. I can barely stand to watch a 90-minute 3D movie in the theater, let alone editing hours of 3D footage.

Jim Greene · August 19th, 2011, 07:55 AM

3D is about as popular as the LaserDisc, a passing fad, way too much involvement just to watch something, and not very appropriate for weddings. 3D is just a way to sell TVs. People still think the DVD will be in HD just because they bought an HD capable TV.

Chris Harding · August 19th, 2011, 08:50 AM

Hi Jim

The amusing thing is that few brides can actually tell the difference!! They are more worried about content. I actually ran a post on a bridal forum and the general consensus was they don't care and a lot said that while hubby swore it was at least 10 time better, they honestly couldn't tell the difference!!

We forget that as editors and camera people we tend to look at footage from a technical point of view whilst the bride is simply amazed at how stunning the bridesmaids looked!! As long as the colour is correct and the footage is sharp that's all they need!!

If I scroll thru our local TV channels even I notice that once I hit an HD channel I have to look hard to spot the increased resolution and by doing so miss half the action. We just like perfection the average viewer is more involved with content and story line !!

Chris

Michael Johnston · August 19th, 2011, 12:09 PM

Chris,

You're forgetting that most of the content aired on HD channels is just unconverted SD stuff which looks no different than SD. Watch a real HD program shot in full 1080 HD, such as Discovery's Planet Earth, and you see a BIG difference. I know if I play a Blu-Ray of a wedding I've shot alongside a DVD of the same wedding, it's definitely noticeable.

As far as TV programs, the ones that are shot in HD (including most sports) are 720p which does pixalize when shown on a 1080 TV, making it harder to distinguish from SD.

Dave Blackhurst · August 19th, 2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Greene

3D is about as popular as the LaserDisc, a passing fad, way too much involvement just to watch something, and not very appropriate for weddings. 3D is just a way to sell TVs. People still think the DVD will be in HD just because they bought an HD capable TV.

Well, with an upconverting player... they actually come pretty close!

And Michael is right on about the mixed quality of "HD" broadcast/content - just was visiting relatives with their new "HD" programming package - the "installer" had hooked up with component cables rather than HDMI, and not even shown them how to access the HD channels - they were a lot more impressed when I hooked things up right and showed them how to find the HD content!

The thing I noticed was that on the "HD" channels there was a wide variety of "D" - commercials were all over the place, letterbox, pillarbox, just plain "box", SD, HD, and some almost no-D... Well shot HD, delivered over a proper HD signal chain on properly set up HD equipment looks great, but that's a big pile of variables!

Brides won't be as interested in the technical details, but it's always nice when the groom notices the extra quality of a proper HD production chain...

Michael Johnston · August 19th, 2011, 01:25 PM

One other thing I'd like to point out. I know everyone loves 30p & 24p and most broadcast shows are shot this way. However, I am not aware of ANY satellite, broadcast, or cable company providing a 1080p signal. Nearly all are 1080i. When you play a progressive video through an interlaced signal you get the flicker effect. I see it on every show my wife watches on TLC and Bravo. Looks terrible. Also, very few Blu-Ray burners and programs will burn progressive to a Blu-Ray disc. Most convert to interlaced before burning. This will seriously degrade the quality. My point is, if you're just shooting for the web then 30p & 24p is fine. But if you are shooting for broadcast or Blu-Ray, you should always be shooting 1080/60i.

Chris Harding · August 19th, 2011, 07:08 PM

Hi Michael

Thanks for that!! I can see the difference but the girls seem not to notice it so much. Yeah, a LOT of broadcast stuff here is upscaled too so it's a bit of cheating. Nature programs from Nat Geo are most definately shot in HD and broadcast in HD too and really anyone should be able to see that!!

My actual point was that brides (as opposed to grooms) are not really interested in the tech stuff at all. If you printed your DVD with the words "filmed in STUNNING HD QUALITY" they would assume that it's HD on the DVD as well. Don Bloom shoots in SD, edits in SD and supplies an SD DVD and his brides love him and most, if not all, his clients would have an HD capable TV too!!

Chris

Man Yip · August 23rd, 2011, 01:56 PM

If you can pull it off, offer it, otherwise it might bites you.

David Schuurman · August 28th, 2011, 08:40 AM

I'll never shoot a wedding in 3D, like Corey I can barely sit through a 3d movie in theatres. I watched Conan in 3d the other day and my eyes were so tired afterwards. IMO 3D is a total fad, probably isn't good for your eyes, and it's physically tiring to watch. However, if somehow 3D becomes the status quo I'll be the first to ask for this post to be deleted so nobody will know I didn't think it would boom. lol.

August 13th, 2011, 07:21 AM	#1
Victor Boyko Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: binghamton ny Posts: 82	3D Weddings? anyone actually filming weddings in 3D? I barely had a client ask me for blu-ray.

August 14th, 2011, 10:30 PM	#2
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: 3D Weddings? Hi Victor In the land of Oz I haven't yet had a client ever had a client ask for BluRay yet they all seem to have 50" LCD or Plasma TV's but virtually none have BluRay players!! I might take one step upwards and render their weddings on 1280x720 progresssive as an MP4 and drop it onto a USB stick.... then they can at least watch an HD version on their computer and those with media players can also watch on their TV's too!! I'm still wondering if BD will fade away in a year or so in favor of digital media??? As for 3D...one client had a 3D TV and was complaining about lack of material..he sits and watches the demo that came with his TV!!! Cameras are still horribily expensive...the cheapest prosumer Panasonic is still $21K and that looks like a toy!!! Business wise it isn't worth the investment for me when there is no demand. There is someone here that DOES do 3D!!! but for now I'm not even considering it...how do the couple give their Grandparents a copy when they probably still have a CRT TV and a VHS player????? I really hate losing the nice HD image for SD but you have to supply what the client wants and at present for me it's definately not 3D!! Chris

August 15th, 2011, 12:35 AM	#3
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	Re: 3D Weddings? currently i shoot 3d even if the customer did not ask, because with the sony TD10 it is so easy, that it is transparent. I plan to go that way as mainstream, and then you can choose in post if you really want the hassle to edit 3D or just leave it as 2D.

August 18th, 2011, 09:11 AM	#4
Michael Johnston Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 130	Re: 3D Weddings? I will never offer it. I offer a free Blu-Ray player with the purchase of a HD pkg and still am only getting requests for DVD's. Who is really going to want to watch their wedding in 3D? I think it's a waste of time and money.

August 18th, 2011, 10:04 AM	#5
Corey Graham Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 390	Re: 3D Weddings? I'll never offer it either. I think it's a fad anyhow, just as it's shown to be a passing gimmick in decades past. I can barely stand to watch a 90-minute 3D movie in the theater, let alone editing hours of 3D footage. __________________ http://coreygraham.me http://coreygrahamweddings.com

August 19th, 2011, 07:55 AM	#6
Jim Greene Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 74	Re: 3D Weddings? 3D is about as popular as the LaserDisc, a passing fad, way too much involvement just to watch something, and not very appropriate for weddings. 3D is just a way to sell TVs. People still think the DVD will be in HD just because they bought an HD capable TV.

August 19th, 2011, 08:50 AM	#7
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: 3D Weddings? Hi Jim The amusing thing is that few brides can actually tell the difference!! They are more worried about content. I actually ran a post on a bridal forum and the general consensus was they don't care and a lot said that while hubby swore it was at least 10 time better, they honestly couldn't tell the difference!! We forget that as editors and camera people we tend to look at footage from a technical point of view whilst the bride is simply amazed at how stunning the bridesmaids looked!! As long as the colour is correct and the footage is sharp that's all they need!! If I scroll thru our local TV channels even I notice that once I hit an HD channel I have to look hard to spot the increased resolution and by doing so miss half the action. We just like perfection the average viewer is more involved with content and story line !! Chris

August 19th, 2011, 12:09 PM	#8
Michael Johnston Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 130	Re: 3D Weddings? Chris, You're forgetting that most of the content aired on HD channels is just unconverted SD stuff which looks no different than SD. Watch a real HD program shot in full 1080 HD, such as Discovery's Planet Earth, and you see a BIG difference. I know if I play a Blu-Ray of a wedding I've shot alongside a DVD of the same wedding, it's definitely noticeable. As far as TV programs, the ones that are shot in HD (including most sports) are 720p which does pixalize when shown on a 1080 TV, making it harder to distinguish from SD.

August 19th, 2011, 01:25 PM	#10
Michael Johnston Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 130	Re: 3D Weddings? One other thing I'd like to point out. I know everyone loves 30p & 24p and most broadcast shows are shot this way. However, I am not aware of ANY satellite, broadcast, or cable company providing a 1080p signal. Nearly all are 1080i. When you play a progressive video through an interlaced signal you get the flicker effect. I see it on every show my wife watches on TLC and Bravo. Looks terrible. Also, very few Blu-Ray burners and programs will burn progressive to a Blu-Ray disc. Most convert to interlaced before burning. This will seriously degrade the quality. My point is, if you're just shooting for the web then 30p & 24p is fine. But if you are shooting for broadcast or Blu-Ray, you should always be shooting 1080/60i.

August 19th, 2011, 07:08 PM	#11
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: 3D Weddings? Hi Michael Thanks for that!! I can see the difference but the girls seem not to notice it so much. Yeah, a LOT of broadcast stuff here is upscaled too so it's a bit of cheating. Nature programs from Nat Geo are most definately shot in HD and broadcast in HD too and really anyone should be able to see that!! My actual point was that brides (as opposed to grooms) are not really interested in the tech stuff at all. If you printed your DVD with the words "filmed in STUNNING HD QUALITY" they would assume that it's HD on the DVD as well. Don Bloom shoots in SD, edits in SD and supplies an SD DVD and his brides love him and most, if not all, his clients would have an HD capable TV too!! Chris

August 23rd, 2011, 01:56 PM	#12
Man Yip Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 53	Re: 3D Weddings? If you can pull it off, offer it, otherwise it might bites you.

August 28th, 2011, 08:40 AM	#13
David Schuurman Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hamilton, ON Canada Posts: 369	Re: 3D Weddings? I'll never shoot a wedding in 3D, like Corey I can barely sit through a 3d movie in theatres. I watched Conan in 3d the other day and my eyes were so tired afterwards. IMO 3D is a total fad, probably isn't good for your eyes, and it's physically tiring to watch. However, if somehow 3D becomes the status quo I'll be the first to ask for this post to be deleted so nobody will know I didn't think it would boom. lol. __________________ http://www.davidschuurman.com http://www.dsweddingcinema.com