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Edgar Vasiluk · April 17th, 2011, 03:59 AM

Hi everyone!
I'm filming on tapes and as you know they have a limit of 62min. I was filming speeches last night and they went for around 70min. That's quite long. I didn't have option but to stop speech and change the tape. Imagine there was a silence at reception for around 10 sec. and everyone was looking at me...))
So my question is: How you dealing with this?
Thanks!

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Brian Drysdale · April 17th, 2011, 04:08 AM

I don't know about weddings, but doing political speeches there are usually natural gaps or points where the speech gets off point or nothing much is actaully being said in content terms. You then make a decision and change tapes, sure you lose something, but it is an editorial decision and you won't be using everything anyway.

If they're doing 70 mins of speeches, losing 10 seconds isn't a big deal, they won't even notice in the final cut.

Don Bloom · April 17th, 2011, 05:43 AM

I agree. If you are doing speeches that last that long AND you can change tapes in 10 seconds then they probably won't notice. You could also use 80 minute tapes. Personally I wouldn't worry about it.

Man 70 minutes of speeches...I'd poke myself in the eye with a fork. ;-)

Travis Cossel · April 17th, 2011, 08:19 AM

Easiest solution I think would be to have 2 cameras running so you could change one while the other keeps recording.

Spiros Zaharakis · April 17th, 2011, 08:37 AM

You can use an Audio recorder to have uninterupted audio and fill the gap with an audience scene after the fact.

Ryan Czaplinski · April 17th, 2011, 10:43 AM

70 minutes?! OMG! better stock up on CF cards! haha!

Andrew Brown · April 17th, 2011, 02:34 PM

For under £100 you can get a Zoom H1 with a 2GB card and a mini gorilla pod.
Place it on the table in front of whoever is talking and you're good for at least 3 hours.

Tim Bakland · April 17th, 2011, 03:47 PM

If you have some b-roll of the audience, will be very easy to splice together the tape change, and use that slight-of-hand without anyone knowing. And, unless they were saying something jaw-dropping at the cut, no one will ever know. At 70 minutes, it is hard to believe you missed anything earth-shattering!

Edgar Vasiluk · April 17th, 2011, 04:42 PM

Thanks everyone for advice! I have digital recorder, but never thought that speeches will be that long...even I ask them before how long each will be...but you never know...And other thing was that the bride wanted to edit her wedding herself, so I thought to film everything.

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Josh Swan · April 18th, 2011, 08:36 AM

I'm sure in that 70 minutes there were several people talking. I would switch tapes, like he said earlier about 10 seconds, in between speeches. Usually if I have about 15 minutes left and one person is just getting done, I'll switch anyways to be on the safe side with a full tape for the next speech. You can never tell how long winded some people will be.

Warren Kawamoto · April 18th, 2011, 11:41 AM

I agree with the previous posts. To add to it, remember that when a speech is that long, the most parts would be the beginning and the end of it. You got them captured, so you should be good to go. When editing, make sure you edit using complete sentences.

Raji Ahmed · April 18th, 2011, 01:37 PM

I had a similar scenario recording a concert type event...when performers were being introduced, I realized my tape was about to run out, so instead of missing the performance I had to skip out on the intro. I had a voice recorder going just to capture audio so I had something, although it didn't sound as good.

I've decided to just be done with tapes. I'm getting a Firestore recorder. Its too important not to miss a key scene.

Edgar Vasiluk · April 18th, 2011, 02:06 PM

Another question here is "why Sony can't introduce 90min. or 120min. long tapes?"

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Josh Swan · April 19th, 2011, 07:02 AM

[QUOTE=Edgar Vasiluk;1640387]Another question here is "why Sony can't introduce 90min. or 120min. long tapes?"

The tape would be very, very thin. The 80 min tapes are quite a bit thinner than the 63's, i can't imagine how thin they would need to be in order to reach 90 or 120 min record times.

Chris Harding · April 19th, 2011, 07:55 AM

Hi Edgar

When I was still on tape I never had the wedding speeches go in excess of 60 minutes...as Don says "poke yourself in the eye with a fork!!) That's a long session.

I did however neglect to change batteries once and when the cam said only 15 minutes left I just went to the MC and told him I had to stop to change batteries...if you do have another 70 min session and you can see that you are not going to make it, ask the MC to do a short rest period which you pop in a new tape at the end of the current speech ....I'm sure the weary guests will appreciate the break too!!!

My longest single speech was 37 minutes and one guest actually fell asleep!!! He detailed almost the entire life of his 31 year old daughter (the bride) year by year!!!

I usually tell the B&G when I meet them to keep the speeches limited (suggested is 6 to 8 minutes MAX!!)
otherwise their guests will be bored to tears...Just your speeches alone would have probably taken up most of a DVD!!!!

If you have to endure super long speeches just tell the MC to break the proceedings and let the guests fill up their glasses and stretch their legs!!!

Chris

April 17th, 2011, 03:59 AM	#1
Edgar Vasiluk Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: London Posts: 99	How you do this? Hi everyone! I'm filming on tapes and as you know they have a limit of 62min. I was filming speeches last night and they went for around 70min. That's quite long. I didn't have option but to stop speech and change the tape. Imagine there was a silence at reception for around 10 sec. and everyone was looking at me...)) So my question is: How you dealing with this? Thanks! Wedding Videos London \| Wedding Videos Essex \| Wedding Videos Surrey from YouMyWorld Productions

April 17th, 2011, 04:08 AM	#2
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Re: How you do this? I don't know about weddings, but doing political speeches there are usually natural gaps or points where the speech gets off point or nothing much is actaully being said in content terms. You then make a decision and change tapes, sure you lose something, but it is an editorial decision and you won't be using everything anyway. If they're doing 70 mins of speeches, losing 10 seconds isn't a big deal, they won't even notice in the final cut.

April 17th, 2011, 05:43 AM	#3
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Re: How you do this? I agree. If you are doing speeches that last that long AND you can change tapes in 10 seconds then they probably won't notice. You could also use 80 minute tapes. Personally I wouldn't worry about it. Man 70 minutes of speeches...I'd poke myself in the eye with a fork. ;-) __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

April 17th, 2011, 08:19 AM	#4
Travis Cossel Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,933	Re: How you do this? Easiest solution I think would be to have 2 cameras running so you could change one while the other keeps recording. __________________ Black Label Films www.blacklabelweddingfilms.com

April 17th, 2011, 08:37 AM	#5
Spiros Zaharakis Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 171	Re: How you do this? You can use an Audio recorder to have uninterupted audio and fill the gap with an audience scene after the fact.

April 17th, 2011, 10:43 AM	#6
Ryan Czaplinski Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 46	Re: How you do this? 70 minutes?! OMG! better stock up on CF cards! haha!

April 17th, 2011, 02:34 PM	#7
Andrew Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK Posts: 33	Re: How you do this? For under £100 you can get a Zoom H1 with a 2GB card and a mini gorilla pod. Place it on the table in front of whoever is talking and you're good for at least 3 hours. __________________ www.memoriesonfilm.co.uk

April 17th, 2011, 03:47 PM	#8
Tim Bakland Major Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Beverly, MA Posts: 512	Re: How you do this? If you have some b-roll of the audience, will be very easy to splice together the tape change, and use that slight-of-hand without anyone knowing. And, unless they were saying something jaw-dropping at the cut, no one will ever know. At 70 minutes, it is hard to believe you missed anything earth-shattering! __________________ Event Videography, New England www.timothybakland.com

April 17th, 2011, 04:42 PM	#9
Edgar Vasiluk Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: London Posts: 99	Re: How you do this? Thanks everyone for advice! I have digital recorder, but never thought that speeches will be that long...even I ask them before how long each will be...but you never know...And other thing was that the bride wanted to edit her wedding herself, so I thought to film everything. Wedding Videos London \| Wedding Videos Essex \| Wedding Videos Surrey from YouMyWorld Productions

April 18th, 2011, 08:36 AM	#10
Josh Swan Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scarborough Me Posts: 186	Re: How you do this? I'm sure in that 70 minutes there were several people talking. I would switch tapes, like he said earlier about 10 seconds, in between speeches. Usually if I have about 15 minutes left and one person is just getting done, I'll switch anyways to be on the safe side with a full tape for the next speech. You can never tell how long winded some people will be.

April 18th, 2011, 11:41 AM	#11
Warren Kawamoto Trustee Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,435	Re: How you do this? I agree with the previous posts. To add to it, remember that when a speech is that long, the most parts would be the beginning and the end of it. You got them captured, so you should be good to go. When editing, make sure you edit using complete sentences.

April 18th, 2011, 01:37 PM	#12
Raji Ahmed Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 76	Re: How you do this? I had a similar scenario recording a concert type event...when performers were being introduced, I realized my tape was about to run out, so instead of missing the performance I had to skip out on the intro. I had a voice recorder going just to capture audio so I had something, although it didn't sound as good. I've decided to just be done with tapes. I'm getting a Firestore recorder. Its too important not to miss a key scene.

April 18th, 2011, 02:06 PM	#13
Edgar Vasiluk Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: London Posts: 99	Re: How you do this? Another question here is "why Sony can't introduce 90min. or 120min. long tapes?" Wedding Videos London \| Wedding Videos Essex \| Wedding Videos Surrey from YouMyWorld Productions

April 19th, 2011, 07:02 AM	#14
Josh Swan Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scarborough Me Posts: 186	Re: How you do this? [QUOTE=Edgar Vasiluk;1640387]Another question here is "why Sony can't introduce 90min. or 120min. long tapes?" The tape would be very, very thin. The 80 min tapes are quite a bit thinner than the 63's, i can't imagine how thin they would need to be in order to reach 90 or 120 min record times.

April 19th, 2011, 07:55 AM	#15
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: How you do this? Hi Edgar When I was still on tape I never had the wedding speeches go in excess of 60 minutes...as Don says "poke yourself in the eye with a fork!!) That's a long session. I did however neglect to change batteries once and when the cam said only 15 minutes left I just went to the MC and told him I had to stop to change batteries...if you do have another 70 min session and you can see that you are not going to make it, ask the MC to do a short rest period which you pop in a new tape at the end of the current speech ....I'm sure the weary guests will appreciate the break too!!! My longest single speech was 37 minutes and one guest actually fell asleep!!! He detailed almost the entire life of his 31 year old daughter (the bride) year by year!!! I usually tell the B&G when I meet them to keep the speeches limited (suggested is 6 to 8 minutes MAX!!) otherwise their guests will be bored to tears...Just your speeches alone would have probably taken up most of a DVD!!!! If you have to endure super long speeches just tell the MC to break the proceedings and let the guests fill up their glasses and stretch their legs!!! Chris