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Kelsey Emuss · February 15th, 2010, 09:30 PM

Sorry for my vague title...:)

Currently I use fire wire to upload mt footage (mini DV tape). I am frying ports left, right and center!!! I have been able to find junk camcorders on ebay for $40 only to fry them also!!

To clarify...I have been editing for 2+ years, and uploaded 100's of tapes with NO problems until recently. Nothing new to my set up, but nontheless, I am frying everything.

So, my question is: what is that deck thing called that lets you upload taped to your computer? I've heard it mentioned on here before but I never paid any attention then.

Any advice would help!
Thanks!

Kelsey

Chris Harding · February 15th, 2010, 09:40 PM

Hi Kelsey

It's a MiniDV Deck and normally does DVCAM as well. You can also easily fry the firewire ports on that too!!

Firewire, despite what they say, is NOT hot swappable!! Plug in a firewire cable with the computer running and you WILL blow a port!!

You have to connect everything with the computer AND camera (or deck) off. Then start the computer and finally turn the cam on. I have never fried a port this way!!

Chris

Kelsey Emuss · February 15th, 2010, 09:46 PM

Thanks!

Question: You say that you turn off the camcorder AND the computer EVERY time?

Admittedly I have been not turning off the camcorder and unhooking the firewire to so that I could open and insert a new tape (or it becomes diconnected accidentally). So if you have a wedding with 8 tapes you shut down EVERYTHING between each tape?

Any idea why this is becoming a problem now when I have done nothing differently?

Sean Johnson · February 15th, 2010, 10:55 PM

I've been swapping tapes and plugging my miniDV cam into the computer countless times without shutting down. I've haven't had any problems yet. Maybe I'm just lucky.

Louis Maddalena · February 15th, 2010, 10:59 PM

I have never on any kind of system had to turn off a deck and computer before swapping out decks / cameras / etc. i do not believe it is possible to cause a problem simply becaus the computer is on. However, it is possible that there is something wrong with your computer and it is putting out a charge hotter than normal causing you to fry ports with anything that you plug in.

Dave Blackhurst · February 15th, 2010, 11:34 PM

I've never had a problem plugging a camera in while it's turned off, then turning it on, probably even "hot swapped" a few times by accident. To be frying firewire ports there is SOMETHING wrong somewhere... voltage where it doesn't belong or something. Not saying it doesn't happen, as the evidence is that it can and does, just that I've not seen it personally, maybe I too am lucky!

Get a brand new firewire cable to start - cables can go bad over time and flexing. That's the first thing I'd suspect - shorted or broken cables could be the culprit. Then I still wonder whether you caused a problem when you knocked over your tower - maybe damaged the firewire jack?

I seem to remember there are 4 and 6 pin firewire plug variants and perhaps researching the connections and reviewing where voltage is SUPPOSED to be would yield some clues.

Or as I think has been suggested, just install a firewire PCI card, they are fairly cheap - if your existing card is damaged or the ports are on the motherboard and damaged, a card should isolate the problem. Way cheaper to try than frying junk cammies!

Don Bloom · February 16th, 2010, 06:04 AM

I have never fried a FW port, ever!.
Kelsey, as for shutting down between every tape, no not necessary. Once the deck is hooked up you leave it hooked up.
As for the problem with frying ports, I agree there is something wrong with the computer. IIWY, I'd have it looked at before it costs you more than money.

Andy Tejral · February 16th, 2010, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Harding

Firewire, despite what they say, is NOT hot swappable!! Plug in a firewire cable with the computer running and you WILL blow a port!!

No, by specification, IEEE-1394 most definately IS hot swappable. However, if a manufacturer decides to cut corners and does not meet the specification, that is something different.

I believe the problem is in the design of certain connectors which allow the power to touch the signal while plugging the connector in. However, both devices SHOULD provide protection in this case.

Kelsey Emuss · February 16th, 2010, 09:34 AM

Yeah...it's weird...I've NEVER had this problem before and now it's a curse. As Dave mentioned the whole thing started when I knocked my tower over a few weeks back. I actually took the computer into a guy that does great work/great prices. He looked at the computer and determined that the ports were fine.

Sure enough I borrowed someone else's camcorder and the problem was solved. Since then I have seemingly fried one Firewire port on the computer and a junky eBay find.

I think I'm going to have to dig a little deeper...

Thanks everyone!

Peter Manojlovic · February 16th, 2010, 11:28 AM

Also, if you've got a free slot in your motherboard, you should be able to stick a separate PCI firewire card into your motherboard.
They're relatively cheap nowadays....
About $30.

Good luck!!!

Kelsey Emuss · February 16th, 2010, 12:54 PM

Hey Peter!! How are you?!

Thanks for that tip!! I do in fact have a free slot!

Peter Manojlovic · February 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM

Definately get that card installed...

In some cases, your computer case has a slot in the front, that lets you hook up without going through the rear of the box....
I would definately go this way, and ignore the motherboard's firewire input....

Thanx, i'm doing great..
Wedding season's around the corner, and i'm starting to bite my nails....

Warren Kawamoto · February 16th, 2010, 03:22 PM

Are your firewire ports 6 pin or 4 pin? 6 pin firewire has power, so it's easy to fry. 4 pin doesn't have power. I think most people without problems are the 4 pin users. I personally connect 4 pin firewire anytime, computer on, or off and haven't had any problems in almost 10 years.

Paul Hudson · February 16th, 2010, 05:44 PM

You should be safe swapping 4 pin firewire. Six pin or Firewire 800 is another story. For anyone that has hot swapped a six pin and not had problems, consider yourself very lucky.

I shorted out a JVC GY HD110U and the deck for JVC in the same week. The tech at JVC took care of the problem but he told me to always make sure power was off to both computer and recorder when changing firewire cables. I never had another problem.

I am just glad I am all tapeless now and do not have to worry about this anymore.

Paul Hudson
Lizardlandvideo.com
Phoenix AZ video production

George Bean · February 16th, 2010, 07:50 PM

just wondering if by any chance there is static electricity causing you trouble? especially this time of year with the weather.

February 15th, 2010, 09:30 PM	#1
Kelsey Emuss Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada Posts: 259	What is that thing called??? Sorry for my vague title...:) Currently I use fire wire to upload mt footage (mini DV tape). I am frying ports left, right and center!!! I have been able to find junk camcorders on ebay for $40 only to fry them also!! To clarify...I have been editing for 2+ years, and uploaded 100's of tapes with NO problems until recently. Nothing new to my set up, but nontheless, I am frying everything. So, my question is: what is that deck thing called that lets you upload taped to your computer? I've heard it mentioned on here before but I never paid any attention then. Any advice would help! Thanks! Kelsey

February 15th, 2010, 10:59 PM	#5
Louis Maddalena Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NYC Area. Posts: 550	I have never on any kind of system had to turn off a deck and computer before swapping out decks / cameras / etc. i do not believe it is possible to cause a problem simply becaus the computer is on. However, it is possible that there is something wrong with your computer and it is putting out a charge hotter than normal causing you to fry ports with anything that you plug in. __________________ Red Epic available for rent, starting at $500 per day, Scarlets, and Lenses available too. rentals.maddalenamedia.com

February 16th, 2010, 06:04 AM	#7
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	I have never fried a FW port, ever!. Kelsey, as for shutting down between every tape, no not necessary. Once the deck is hooked up you leave it hooked up. As for the problem with frying ports, I agree there is something wrong with the computer. IIWY, I'd have it looked at before it costs you more than money. __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

February 16th, 2010, 11:28 AM	#10
Peter Manojlovic Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hamilton Ontario Posts: 769	Free Slot Also, if you've got a free slot in your motherboard, you should be able to stick a separate PCI firewire card into your motherboard. They're relatively cheap nowadays.... About $30. Good luck!!!

February 15th, 2010, 09:40 PM	#2
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Hi Kelsey It's a MiniDV Deck and normally does DVCAM as well. You can also easily fry the firewire ports on that too!! Firewire, despite what they say, is NOT hot swappable!! Plug in a firewire cable with the computer running and you WILL blow a port!! You have to connect everything with the computer AND camera (or deck) off. Then start the computer and finally turn the cam on. I have never fried a port this way!! Chris

February 15th, 2010, 09:46 PM	#3
Kelsey Emuss Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada Posts: 259	Thanks! Question: You say that you turn off the camcorder AND the computer EVERY time? Admittedly I have been not turning off the camcorder and unhooking the firewire to so that I could open and insert a new tape (or it becomes diconnected accidentally). So if you have a wedding with 8 tapes you shut down EVERYTHING between each tape? Any idea why this is becoming a problem now when I have done nothing differently?

February 15th, 2010, 10:55 PM	#4
Sean Johnson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 94	I've been swapping tapes and plugging my miniDV cam into the computer countless times without shutting down. I've haven't had any problems yet. Maybe I'm just lucky.

February 15th, 2010, 11:34 PM	#6
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	I've never had a problem plugging a camera in while it's turned off, then turning it on, probably even "hot swapped" a few times by accident. To be frying firewire ports there is SOMETHING wrong somewhere... voltage where it doesn't belong or something. Not saying it doesn't happen, as the evidence is that it can and does, just that I've not seen it personally, maybe I too am lucky! Get a brand new firewire cable to start - cables can go bad over time and flexing. That's the first thing I'd suspect - shorted or broken cables could be the culprit. Then I still wonder whether you caused a problem when you knocked over your tower - maybe damaged the firewire jack? I seem to remember there are 4 and 6 pin firewire plug variants and perhaps researching the connections and reviewing where voltage is SUPPOSED to be would yield some clues. Or as I think has been suggested, just install a firewire PCI card, they are fairly cheap - if your existing card is damaged or the ports are on the motherboard and damaged, a card should isolate the problem. Way cheaper to try than frying junk cammies!

February 16th, 2010, 09:34 AM	#9
Kelsey Emuss Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada Posts: 259	Yeah...it's weird...I've NEVER had this problem before and now it's a curse. As Dave mentioned the whole thing started when I knocked my tower over a few weeks back. I actually took the computer into a guy that does great work/great prices. He looked at the computer and determined that the ports were fine. Sure enough I borrowed someone else's camcorder and the problem was solved. Since then I have seemingly fried one Firewire port on the computer and a junky eBay find. I think I'm going to have to dig a little deeper... Thanks everyone!

February 16th, 2010, 12:54 PM	#11
Kelsey Emuss Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada Posts: 259	Hey Peter!! How are you?! Thanks for that tip!! I do in fact have a free slot!

February 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM	#12
Peter Manojlovic Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hamilton Ontario Posts: 769	Definately get that card installed... In some cases, your computer case has a slot in the front, that lets you hook up without going through the rear of the box.... I would definately go this way, and ignore the motherboard's firewire input.... Thanx, i'm doing great.. Wedding season's around the corner, and i'm starting to bite my nails....

February 16th, 2010, 03:22 PM	#13
Warren Kawamoto Trustee Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,435	Are your firewire ports 6 pin or 4 pin? 6 pin firewire has power, so it's easy to fry. 4 pin doesn't have power. I think most people without problems are the 4 pin users. I personally connect 4 pin firewire anytime, computer on, or off and haven't had any problems in almost 10 years.

February 16th, 2010, 05:44 PM	#14
Paul Hudson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 37	You should be safe swapping 4 pin firewire. Six pin or Firewire 800 is another story. For anyone that has hot swapped a six pin and not had problems, consider yourself very lucky. I shorted out a JVC GY HD110U and the deck for JVC in the same week. The tech at JVC took care of the problem but he told me to always make sure power was off to both computer and recorder when changing firewire cables. I never had another problem. I am just glad I am all tapeless now and do not have to worry about this anymore. Paul Hudson Lizardlandvideo.com Phoenix AZ video production

February 16th, 2010, 07:50 PM	#15
George Bean Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 248	just wondering if by any chance there is static electricity causing you trouble? especially this time of year with the weather.