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Kevin Lewis · October 4th, 2009, 09:49 PM

Whats the settings that you are using to film weddings. Also, please give advantages or disadvantages to each.

Kevin Lewis · October 5th, 2009, 10:26 AM

Any one have any input on this?

Aaron J. Yates · October 5th, 2009, 10:35 AM

We have experimented with just about every setting for wedding footage. Currently we use 30F on manual mode with 0 or -3 gain for most settings. Sometimes the receptions are too dark to get away with low gain, so we'll sometimes use a higher gain setting with the high gain preset (this is on a Canon XH-A1).

For the shots that are dark with a lot of grain, we just started using Neat Video. It does a pretty great job.

We've tried 24F and let people look at it, and we just don't get good results going to DVD with 24F footage. Not saying that others don't, because I've seen some great stuff shot in 24F and delivered on DVD. That's just our experience.

I use either VIVIDRGB or PANALOOK presets, personally.

As always, your mileage may vary.

Kevin Lewis · October 5th, 2009, 12:41 PM

Aaron:

Does shooting at 30F without camera lights allow you to get a brighter picture as oposed to shooting 60I? I also have the XHA1. I have only shot 60I with it. Over the weekend I had to shoot an event with low light and the results were less than desirable. The picture was'nt bad but it was a little grainy. I have been hearing alot about Neat Video. I may try it. Does it slow the render time down alot?

Jim Snow · October 5th, 2009, 01:14 PM

Kevin, Frankly, Neat Video is amazing; it allows you to shoot in darker conditions than you otherwise could. Although gain is never a good thing, it can save the day when the lighting conditions are too dark. I agree, 18db is not desireable. But a video that is too dark is even worse. You can clean up 18db footage surprisingly well with Neat Video.

It does slow down rendering times quite a bit but when you need it, it can save the day.

Aaron J. Yates · October 8th, 2009, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Lewis

Does shooting at 30F without camera lights allow you to get a brighter picture as oposed to shooting 60I? I also have the XHA1. I have only shot 60I with it. Over the weekend I had to shoot an event with low light and the results were less than desirable. The picture was'nt bad but it was a little grainy. I have been hearing alot about Neat Video. I may try it. Does it slow the render time down alot?

I don't know that the image is brighter with 30F, but it is a lot sharper and crisper. We slow down our footage a lot, and not having to deal with interlaced frames seems to help the look of slow-mo.

I'm still new to Neat Video, having only had it a couple of weeks, but it helps a lot. I even use it on footage that doesn't "look" grainy, and it makes it look better. I guess there's always a certain amount of grain on featureless colors with the HDV compression, and Neat Video takes care of that.

It does slow down the export process considerably. I have only used it for short 5-6 minute clips so far, and I'm afraid to see how long it will take for a feature-length wedding.

Taky Cheung · October 8th, 2009, 10:25 AM

Here's my take.

I don't do 24F as slomo is unwatchable. 60i is too video-ish. 30F is a good take in between. The progressive footage gives a rich film-alike look but you don't have to deal with 24F editing/authoring issue and motion stuttering.

During the photo session, I will shoot in 60i as the entire chapters will be in slow motion. You get great beautiful slow motion video in 60i.

Joel Peregrine · October 9th, 2009, 12:43 AM

Hi Kevin,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Lewis

Whats the settings that you are using to film weddings. Also, please give advantages or disadvantages to each.

See my related reply here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/1429811-post7.html

October 4th, 2009, 09:49 PM	#1
Kevin Lewis Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Philadelphia, pa Posts: 705	60I or 24F Whats the settings that you are using to film weddings. Also, please give advantages or disadvantages to each. Last edited by Kevin Lewis; October 5th, 2009 at 12:42 PM.

October 5th, 2009, 10:35 AM	#3
Aaron J. Yates Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kerrville, Texas Posts: 75	We have experimented with just about every setting for wedding footage. Currently we use 30F on manual mode with 0 or -3 gain for most settings. Sometimes the receptions are too dark to get away with low gain, so we'll sometimes use a higher gain setting with the high gain preset (this is on a Canon XH-A1). For the shots that are dark with a lot of grain, we just started using Neat Video. It does a pretty great job. We've tried 24F and let people look at it, and we just don't get good results going to DVD with 24F footage. Not saying that others don't, because I've seen some great stuff shot in 24F and delivered on DVD. That's just our experience. I use either VIVIDRGB or PANALOOK presets, personally. As always, your mileage may vary. __________________ kerrvillephoto.com Photo & Video specializing in real estate and events

October 8th, 2009, 10:25 AM	#7
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Here's my take. I don't do 24F as slomo is unwatchable. 60i is too video-ish. 30F is a good take in between. The progressive footage gives a rich film-alike look but you don't have to deal with 24F editing/authoring issue and motion stuttering. During the photo session, I will shoot in 60i as the entire chapters will be in slow motion. You get great beautiful slow motion video in 60i. __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

October 5th, 2009, 10:26 AM	#2
Kevin Lewis Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Philadelphia, pa Posts: 705	Any one have any input on this?

October 5th, 2009, 12:41 PM	#4
Kevin Lewis Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Philadelphia, pa Posts: 705	Aaron: Does shooting at 30F without camera lights allow you to get a brighter picture as oposed to shooting 60I? I also have the XHA1. I have only shot 60I with it. Over the weekend I had to shoot an event with low light and the results were less than desirable. The picture was'nt bad but it was a little grainy. I have been hearing alot about Neat Video. I may try it. Does it slow the render time down alot?

October 5th, 2009, 01:14 PM	#5
Jim Snow Trustee Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,104	Kevin, Frankly, Neat Video is amazing; it allows you to shoot in darker conditions than you otherwise could. Although gain is never a good thing, it can save the day when the lighting conditions are too dark. I agree, 18db is not desireable. But a video that is too dark is even worse. You can clean up 18db footage surprisingly well with Neat Video. It does slow down rendering times quite a bit but when you need it, it can save the day.