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Deniz Turkmen · March 14th, 2005, 09:21 AM

I've been asked to create a slideshow that will be shown during the reception at a wedding. It's about 40 photos that will be set against music and put onto a DVD. Some of the photos are a little faded and will need some retouching, but the majority of them are OK.

How much should I charge for something like this?

Thanks

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2005, 09:25 AM

My price is $4.00 per photo.

Bob Costa · March 14th, 2005, 10:22 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : My price is $4.00 per photo. -->>>

incluidng retouching?

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2005, 11:15 AM

Very minimal clean up. Maybe try to get rid of a few "age" lines - especially if they cross a person. Maybe a little color correction if the color is way off. But honestly very little - they knew what the picture looked like when they gave it to me. On probably 95% of them I do nothing.

Sometimes - if I get just the right picture - I may do a "Kids on the Picture" style image. Those look real cool if you throw one or two of them in (more than that and it gets really old).

Glen Elliott · March 14th, 2005, 11:51 AM

Edward, the "kid stays in the picture" effect is time consuming. If you can do some photo montages at that price including a few of these...I might just subcontract you out to do mine!

Btw, if you guys don't already know... the "kid stays in the picture" effect comes from a Documentary by that name that used a 3D effect with animated stills. Basically just separating the subject from the background in an image and placing them both on different layers. Then in post you scroll each at a different rate giving the feeling of depth/3d.

John C. Chu · March 14th, 2005, 11:59 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : Edward, the "kid stays in the picture" effect is time consuming. If you can do some photo montages at that price including a few of these...I might just subcontract you out to do mine!

Btw, if you guys don't already know... the "kid stays in the picture" effect comes from a Documentary by that name that used a 3D effect with animated stills. Basically just separating the subject from the background in an image and placing them both on different layers. Then in post you scroll each at a different rate giving the feeling of depth/3d. -->>>

I love "The Kid Stays In the Picture". [Rented it from Netflix a month back.]

It was a really compelling and entertaining film and that effect really plays an important role in bringing the pictures to life. Sort of like an animated "diorama" that kids make for school.

I've seen it used in CBS 48 Hours Mystery also....but the question is... is there an affordable standalone Mac program that does that same effect?(animating both layers etc?)

I would love to use the effect....

You can do a whole film like that...

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2005, 12:55 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : Edward, the "kid stays in the picture" effect is time consuming. If you can do some photo montages at that price including a few of these...I might just subcontract you out to do mine! -->>>

I don't do it very often! Plus, if I DO decide to do it, it has to be a VERY approachable image. Or I might only do a very small piece of it.

For example, I once had an image of the groom wearing a tie and his hand happened to be on the tie. I just cut out the lower portion of the tie, erased the tie in the main image, and then had the tie move back and forth. Very subtle but still effective. Plus it was just a few straight cuts to isolate the tie.

Glen Elliott · March 14th, 2005, 01:33 PM

Ahhh see I manually mask everything out by hand with my Wacom Intuos 2. Definitely makes it easier than with a mouse but it's still a lot of grunt work.

Bob Costa · March 14th, 2005, 04:08 PM

Ed, do you have a newsletter tutorial on how to do that in Vegas?

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2005, 04:15 PM

Actually, no. I have not written that one up. Probably should! I'll look into it.

Jimmy McKenzie · March 14th, 2005, 04:16 PM

For adventurous types, after effects can take as many layers as you wish and separate them on the z plane and then take the point of interest of the camera and move that among the layers. Among other 3d options...

Very powerful.

Linda Walker · March 15th, 2005, 08:22 AM

I don't know what a "kid in the picture" effect is. Does anyone have a sample that they would like to share? Sounds interesting.

Edward Troxel · March 15th, 2005, 09:00 AM

It's basically where you cut out the main subject of the photo and then move the main subject and background differently. I don't have a ready example handy.

Linda Walker · March 15th, 2005, 11:15 AM

Thanks for the explanation. If anyone does have an example I would very much like to see one. In the mean time, perhaps I'll give my best try to envision what one would look like and how to create it.

Thanks.

Edward Troxel · March 15th, 2005, 12:09 PM

Here's a very quickie example:

http://www.jetdv.com/tts/Candle.wmv

Notice how the background does not move yet the candle grows larger. Naturally you could also have the background move independently of the foreground. You just need to make sure you don't let what you have cut out to be the foreground show up in an area of the background.

March 14th, 2005, 09:21 AM	#1
Deniz Turkmen Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CA Posts: 166	slideshow for wedding I've been asked to create a slideshow that will be shown during the reception at a wedding. It's about 40 photos that will be set against music and put onto a DVD. Some of the photos are a little faded and will need some retouching, but the majority of them are OK. How much should I charge for something like this? Thanks

March 14th, 2005, 09:25 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	My price is $4.00 per photo. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 14th, 2005, 11:15 AM	#4
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Very minimal clean up. Maybe try to get rid of a few "age" lines - especially if they cross a person. Maybe a little color correction if the color is way off. But honestly very little - they knew what the picture looked like when they gave it to me. On probably 95% of them I do nothing. Sometimes - if I get just the right picture - I may do a "Kids on the Picture" style image. Those look real cool if you throw one or two of them in (more than that and it gets really old). __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 14th, 2005, 12:55 PM	#7
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : Edward, the "kid stays in the picture" effect is time consuming. If you can do some photo montages at that price including a few of these...I might just subcontract you out to do mine! -->>> I don't do it very often! Plus, if I DO decide to do it, it has to be a VERY approachable image. Or I might only do a very small piece of it. For example, I once had an image of the groom wearing a tie and his hand happened to be on the tie. I just cut out the lower portion of the tie, erased the tie in the main image, and then had the tie move back and forth. Very subtle but still effective. Plus it was just a few straight cuts to isolate the tie. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 14th, 2005, 04:15 PM	#10
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Actually, no. I have not written that one up. Probably should! I'll look into it. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 14th, 2005, 10:22 AM	#3
Bob Costa Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 850	<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : My price is $4.00 per photo. -->>> incluidng retouching?

March 14th, 2005, 11:51 AM	#5
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Edward, the "kid stays in the picture" effect is time consuming. If you can do some photo montages at that price including a few of these...I might just subcontract you out to do mine! Btw, if you guys don't already know... the "kid stays in the picture" effect comes from a Documentary by that name that used a 3D effect with animated stills. Basically just separating the subject from the background in an image and placing them both on different layers. Then in post you scroll each at a different rate giving the feeling of depth/3d.

March 14th, 2005, 11:59 AM	#6
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : Edward, the "kid stays in the picture" effect is time consuming. If you can do some photo montages at that price including a few of these...I might just subcontract you out to do mine! Btw, if you guys don't already know... the "kid stays in the picture" effect comes from a Documentary by that name that used a 3D effect with animated stills. Basically just separating the subject from the background in an image and placing them both on different layers. Then in post you scroll each at a different rate giving the feeling of depth/3d. -->>> I love "The Kid Stays In the Picture". [Rented it from Netflix a month back.] It was a really compelling and entertaining film and that effect really plays an important role in bringing the pictures to life. Sort of like an animated "diorama" that kids make for school. I've seen it used in CBS 48 Hours Mystery also....but the question is... is there an affordable standalone Mac program that does that same effect?(animating both layers etc?) I would love to use the effect.... You can do a whole film like that...

March 14th, 2005, 01:33 PM	#8
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Ahhh see I manually mask everything out by hand with my Wacom Intuos 2. Definitely makes it easier than with a mouse but it's still a lot of grunt work.

March 14th, 2005, 04:08 PM	#9
Bob Costa Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 850	Ed, do you have a newsletter tutorial on how to do that in Vegas?

March 14th, 2005, 04:16 PM	#11
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	For adventurous types, after effects can take as many layers as you wish and separate them on the z plane and then take the point of interest of the camera and move that among the layers. Among other 3d options... Very powerful.

March 15th, 2005, 08:22 AM	#12
Linda Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Green Bay Wisconsin Posts: 29	I don't know what a "kid in the picture" effect is. Does anyone have a sample that they would like to share? Sounds interesting.

March 15th, 2005, 09:00 AM	#13
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It's basically where you cut out the main subject of the photo and then move the main subject and background differently. I don't have a ready example handy. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 15th, 2005, 11:15 AM	#14
Linda Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Green Bay Wisconsin Posts: 29	Thanks for the explanation. If anyone does have an example I would very much like to see one. In the mean time, perhaps I'll give my best try to envision what one would look like and how to create it. Thanks.

March 15th, 2005, 12:09 PM	#15
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Here's a very quickie example: http://www.jetdv.com/tts/Candle.wmv Notice how the background does not move yet the candle grows larger. Naturally you could also have the background move independently of the foreground. You just need to make sure you don't let what you have cut out to be the foreground show up in an area of the background. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters