My First Highlight Vignette at DVinfo.net

Glen Elliott · September 16th, 2004, 11:55 PM

Here's the first wedding highlight vignette I've ever posted. Shot w/ PD-170, VX2100 (and a few shots with XL-1s and TRV33..lol)
Cut in Vegas 5.

http://home.comcast.net/~g.elliott3/...t_Vignette.wmv

Joe Gencarelli · September 17th, 2004, 01:04 AM

WOW!!!

That was awesome. Really very touching. Some beautiful shots and nice editing. Man, I have to work on mine this winter. How do you like Vegas?

Kevin Kwak · September 17th, 2004, 01:15 AM

Wow indeed. Very nice work!
Were you the only cameraman during that day and how many camera was being used?
Did you only use Vegas software to come up with the video?
(learning process :D )

Glen Elliott · September 17th, 2004, 09:48 AM

Joe, love Vegas- been using it for a little over a year now. I'm a Premiere convert.

Kevin, I shot it along side of an assistant. So the entire day we had two cameras rolling, however during the bridal prep (which I've included a few shots in the peice) I shot solo. However during the ceremony I shot with my PD-170, my assistant with his XL-1s, a VX2100 up in the balcony, and a little cheap single-CCD TRV-33 on the floor in the isle, just for kicks. So a total of 4-cameras at the ceremony.

The shots in this peice were 99% PD-170, and one or two XL-1s and TRV-33.

Thanks.

Bobby Abernathy · September 17th, 2004, 02:37 PM

Wow man, way to go, I thought that looked great.

Kevin Foristal · September 18th, 2004, 09:19 AM

You might just give Randy Stubbs a run for his money on WEVA CE awards if you keep that up. One question. How do you do such a clean white flash effect? I have tried to build that effect but it always eludes me!

NICE JOB.

Kev

Glen Elliott · September 18th, 2004, 10:24 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Foristal : You might just give Randy Stubbs a run for his money on WEVA CE awards if you keep that up. One question. How do you do such a clean white flash effect? I have tried to build that effect but it always eludes me!

NICE JOB.

Kev -->>>

You know it's funny you mention that- I've been talking to Randy via email corespondence for the last few weeks now. Very nice guy. He's even been so nice as to critique my work. Needless to say compliments from "him" are VERY encoraging. I was thinking about picking up his training series on DVD. Ever seen it? Anything to be learned from it?

Anyway about the flash effect, there are actually two styles I use. A quick dissolve from a generated media (solid white) and a transition in my NLE (Vegas 5) called "Flash"...using the "soft white" preset.

Thanks for the words.

Greg Boston · September 18th, 2004, 10:42 AM

Glen,

I am in awe of your work. That was beautiful stuff. I really picked up on your use of a slow fade to black then quick fade up on some of the transitions. Really liked that effect.

Thanks for sharing. It's inspiring to me.

-gb-

Kevin Foristal · September 18th, 2004, 12:39 PM

I am thinking about picking up randy's dvd's. My business should be ready to go live in about 2 months. I have a site at www.foristalmedia.com and a clip in the gallery section. Let me know what ya think.

Kev

Glen Elliott · September 18th, 2004, 01:13 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Foristal : I am thinking about picking up randy's dvd's. My business should be ready to go live in about 2 months. I have a site at www.foristalmedia.com and a clip in the gallery section. Let me know what ya think.

Kev -->>>

Just shot you an email Kevin.

Eric Chan · September 22nd, 2004, 12:44 AM

Glen,

What an awesome job you had done... your video will definitly redefine the way people see and do wedding video.

I have a few questions that hope you could kindly answer them:

1) There are a few clips that have rotating effect... did you do that in post? I found that if I have to do it in post, I will need to scale up the image and that result in resolution lost.

2) Did you do a lot of color correction? To me, the color looks really film like.

3) How do you compare the slow motion between vegas and premiere? I found that I can never do such smooth slow motion in premiere like you did in your video.

4) There are a few clips that the whole picture is black and white with some color objects. How did you do it? Did you replace the color of the clip or mask out the objects in post?

Hope you could share some of your experience with us...

Thanks in advance,
Eric

Glen Elliott · September 22nd, 2004, 12:57 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Eric Chan : Glen,

What an awesome job you had done... your video will definitly redefine the way people see and do wedding video.
Why thank you...

I have a few questions that hope you could kindly answer them:

1) There are a few clips that have rotating effect... did you do that in post? I found that if I have to do it in post, I will need to scale up the image and that result in resolution lost.
Depends on the shot- some of them are hand-held rolls (dutches) and the more static shots I added a subtle motion using Vegas's Pan/Crop tool. A tool that, even alone, is much more powerful than Canopus Imaginate.

2) Did you do a lot of color correction? To me, the color looks really film like.
Not too much- the PD-170 creates a really desirable image. The film "look" might be because of the crop and the soft vignette I added in post.

3) How do you compare the slow motion between vegas and premiere? I found that I can never do such smooth slow motion in premiere like you did in your video.
Most definitly, hands down, Vegas. Vegas has the best interpolating engine for slow motion. I've even heard people say it beats Final Cut Pro's when going below 25% speed.

4) There are a few clips that the whole picture is black and white with some color objects. How did you do it? Did you replace the color of the clip or mask out the objects in post?
Vegas's "Secondary Color Corrector"...simply drag and create a selection then reverse the selection and drop the saturation.

Hope you could share some of your experience with us...
No prob...any time. Any other questions feel free to ask. Take care.

Thanks in advance,
Eric -->>>

Peter Jefferson · September 22nd, 2004, 05:30 AM

Glen, i really liek your style and demeaner.
Your work is absolutely incredible and i wish you all the best for your future projects.

There are many disbelievers of Vegas, however Im one of the few here in Oz that is tryin to push for it to be the definitive software solution for editing (which it is)

good luck with everything mate

Glen Elliott · September 22nd, 2004, 09:59 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson : Glen, i really liek your style and demeaner.
Your work is absolutely incredible and i wish you all the best for your future projects.

There are many disbelievers of Vegas, however Im one of the few here in Oz that is tryin to push for it to be the definitive software solution for editing (which it is)

good luck with everything mate -->>>

Thank you Peter. I'm going to do my best to sing the praises of this fine program to the GPVA. Maybe I'll even "convert" a few once I show them the light. lol

Nick Jushchyshyn · September 23rd, 2004, 12:35 PM

Looks really nice.

I'm not involved in the wedding market, so I'm just curious, is this song, vinette treatment and overall progression a common demo practice?

I'm certain that, about a year ago, I viewed a demo that looked very similar (had a little more variety and creativity in the shots, but the effects treamtent was about the same) and it also used exactly the same music.

I think it was demo by a guy named Christopher McGuiness ??

I can't seem to find a website to confirm.
Maybe I have the name wrong.
I still have the video on my computer at home somewhere, so I'll try to dig it up for comparisson.

Anyway, I'm just curious about how "standard" something like this is.

Again, really really nice work in there.

September 16th, 2004, 11:55 PM	#1
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	My First Highlight Vignette Here's the first wedding highlight vignette I've ever posted. Shot w/ PD-170, VX2100 (and a few shots with XL-1s and TRV33..lol) Cut in Vegas 5. http://home.comcast.net/~g.elliott3/...t_Vignette.wmv

September 17th, 2004, 01:04 AM	#2
Joe Gencarelli Tourist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Westerly, RI Posts: 2	WOW!!! That was awesome. Really very touching. Some beautiful shots and nice editing. Man, I have to work on mine this winter. How do you like Vegas? __________________ Joe Gencarelli Jam Session Entertainment Euro Video Productions video@jamsessiondj.com

September 18th, 2004, 09:19 AM	#6
Kevin Foristal Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tulsa, Ok Posts: 66	I second the WOW You might just give Randy Stubbs a run for his money on WEVA CE awards if you keep that up. One question. How do you do such a clean white flash effect? I have tried to build that effect but it always eludes me! NICE JOB. Kev

September 18th, 2004, 10:24 AM	#7
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Re: I second the WOW <<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Foristal : You might just give Randy Stubbs a run for his money on WEVA CE awards if you keep that up. One question. How do you do such a clean white flash effect? I have tried to build that effect but it always eludes me! NICE JOB. Kev -->>> You know it's funny you mention that- I've been talking to Randy via email corespondence for the last few weeks now. Very nice guy. He's even been so nice as to critique my work. Needless to say compliments from "him" are VERY encoraging. I was thinking about picking up his training series on DVD. Ever seen it? Anything to be learned from it? Anyway about the flash effect, there are actually two styles I use. A quick dissolve from a generated media (solid white) and a transition in my NLE (Vegas 5) called "Flash"...using the "soft white" preset. Thanks for the words.

September 17th, 2004, 01:15 AM	#3
Kevin Kwak Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 91	Wow indeed. Very nice work! Were you the only cameraman during that day and how many camera was being used? Did you only use Vegas software to come up with the video? (learning process :D )

September 17th, 2004, 09:48 AM	#4
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Joe, love Vegas- been using it for a little over a year now. I'm a Premiere convert. Kevin, I shot it along side of an assistant. So the entire day we had two cameras rolling, however during the bridal prep (which I've included a few shots in the peice) I shot solo. However during the ceremony I shot with my PD-170, my assistant with his XL-1s, a VX2100 up in the balcony, and a little cheap single-CCD TRV-33 on the floor in the isle, just for kicks. So a total of 4-cameras at the ceremony. The shots in this peice were 99% PD-170, and one or two XL-1s and TRV-33. Thanks.

September 17th, 2004, 02:37 PM	#5
Bobby Abernathy Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Aubrey, TX Posts: 80	Wow man, way to go, I thought that looked great.

September 18th, 2004, 10:42 AM	#8
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Glen, I am in awe of your work. That was beautiful stuff. I really picked up on your use of a slow fade to black then quick fade up on some of the transitions. Really liked that effect. Thanks for sharing. It's inspiring to me. -gb-

September 18th, 2004, 12:39 PM	#9
Kevin Foristal Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tulsa, Ok Posts: 66	I am thinking about picking up randy's dvd's. My business should be ready to go live in about 2 months. I have a site at www.foristalmedia.com and a clip in the gallery section. Let me know what ya think. Kev

September 18th, 2004, 01:13 PM	#10
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Foristal : I am thinking about picking up randy's dvd's. My business should be ready to go live in about 2 months. I have a site at www.foristalmedia.com and a clip in the gallery section. Let me know what ya think. Kev -->>> Just shot you an email Kevin.

September 22nd, 2004, 12:44 AM	#11
Eric Chan Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 60	Glen, What an awesome job you had done... your video will definitly redefine the way people see and do wedding video. I have a few questions that hope you could kindly answer them: 1) There are a few clips that have rotating effect... did you do that in post? I found that if I have to do it in post, I will need to scale up the image and that result in resolution lost. 2) Did you do a lot of color correction? To me, the color looks really film like. 3) How do you compare the slow motion between vegas and premiere? I found that I can never do such smooth slow motion in premiere like you did in your video. 4) There are a few clips that the whole picture is black and white with some color objects. How did you do it? Did you replace the color of the clip or mask out the objects in post? Hope you could share some of your experience with us... Thanks in advance, Eric

September 22nd, 2004, 12:57 AM	#12
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by Eric Chan : Glen, What an awesome job you had done... your video will definitly redefine the way people see and do wedding video. Why thank you... I have a few questions that hope you could kindly answer them: 1) There are a few clips that have rotating effect... did you do that in post? I found that if I have to do it in post, I will need to scale up the image and that result in resolution lost. Depends on the shot- some of them are hand-held rolls (dutches) and the more static shots I added a subtle motion using Vegas's Pan/Crop tool. A tool that, even alone, is much more powerful than Canopus Imaginate. 2) Did you do a lot of color correction? To me, the color looks really film like. Not too much- the PD-170 creates a really desirable image. The film "look" might be because of the crop and the soft vignette I added in post. 3) How do you compare the slow motion between vegas and premiere? I found that I can never do such smooth slow motion in premiere like you did in your video. Most definitly, hands down, Vegas. Vegas has the best interpolating engine for slow motion. I've even heard people say it beats Final Cut Pro's when going below 25% speed. 4) There are a few clips that the whole picture is black and white with some color objects. How did you do it? Did you replace the color of the clip or mask out the objects in post? Vegas's "Secondary Color Corrector"...simply drag and create a selection then reverse the selection and drop the saturation. Hope you could share some of your experience with us... No prob...any time. Any other questions feel free to ask. Take care. Thanks in advance, Eric -->>>

September 22nd, 2004, 05:30 AM	#13
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Glen, i really liek your style and demeaner. Your work is absolutely incredible and i wish you all the best for your future projects. There are many disbelievers of Vegas, however Im one of the few here in Oz that is tryin to push for it to be the definitive software solution for editing (which it is) good luck with everything mate

September 22nd, 2004, 09:59 AM	#14
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson : Glen, i really liek your style and demeaner. Your work is absolutely incredible and i wish you all the best for your future projects. There are many disbelievers of Vegas, however Im one of the few here in Oz that is tryin to push for it to be the definitive software solution for editing (which it is) good luck with everything mate -->>> Thank you Peter. I'm going to do my best to sing the praises of this fine program to the GPVA. Maybe I'll even "convert" a few once I show them the light. lol

September 23rd, 2004, 12:35 PM	#15
Nick Jushchyshyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 548	Looks really nice. I'm not involved in the wedding market, so I'm just curious, is this song, vinette treatment and overall progression a common demo practice? I'm certain that, about a year ago, I viewed a demo that looked very similar (had a little more variety and creativity in the shots, but the effects treamtent was about the same) and it also used exactly the same music. I think it was demo by a guy named Christopher McGuiness ?? I can't seem to find a website to confirm. Maybe I have the name wrong. I still have the video on my computer at home somewhere, so I'll try to dig it up for comparisson. Anyway, I'm just curious about how "standard" something like this is. Again, really really nice work in there.