Best way of capturing vows....

Stephen J. Williams · August 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM

I second the idea of going to the rehearsal.

You can pick up a nice digital recorder for around 100$. I bought a sony one at best buy a few days ago to replace the H2 I had stolen.

Mic the groom up an hour before the ceremony and start recording then. That way you can test everything out before it gets to stressful.

I always do this... I get good clean audio from the groom, bride, and the officiant...

Synch it up in post and then your done.

Steve

Bryan Gilchrist · August 7th, 2009, 12:07 PM

The WMS-PRO isn't the best, especially when there it fluorescent lighting around. Spend a few bucks more and get an Audio-Technica, Senheiser or Shure.

David Barnett · August 7th, 2009, 12:51 PM

Never said it was the best. But I've found it to be clear, and usable without making a several hundred dollar investment.

Anthony Cipriano · August 9th, 2009, 03:03 PM

Hey Guys, on this subject,what settings should the Zoom be at to record the ceremony if I double mic the groom? I'm using a Sennheiser Evolution G2 mated to a Beachtek adapter with my FX-1 for the ceremony. I own the Zoom H2 but have problems in the past with batteries running out or audio settings. I thought about putting a second mic on the groom and running that to the H2 or putting the Zoom on a mic stand in the area of the wedding party to pick up the ceremony. Any suggestions and suggestions about audio settings?
Cheers!

Tony

Stephen J. Williams · August 9th, 2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Cipriano

Hey Guys, on this subject,what settings should the Zoom be at to record the ceremony if I double mic the groom? I'm using a Sennheiser Evolution G2 mated to a Beachtek adapter with my FX-1 for the ceremony. I own the Zoom H2 but have problems in the past with batteries running out or audio settings. I thought about putting a second mic on the groom and running that to the H2 or putting the Zoom on a mic stand in the area of the wedding party to pick up the ceremony. Any suggestions and suggestions about audio settings?
Cheers!

Tony

I used to use my zoom mainly hooking into the DJ's booth at the reception. I was also putting it on a small >17in tripod somewhere near the bridal party as a back up to the grooms lapel mic.
I would put new batteries in about an hour before everything started and hit record then.
Then I would replace the batteries once the reception started, regardless if they had time left on them.
As far as audio settings. I really didn't have much time to get to deep into the settings.
I usually went with my mic setting around medium and the strength at about 110...
Usually yielded good results.

Steve

Rishi Kumar · August 13th, 2009, 02:40 PM

What about the podium how do you get good audio out of speeches? (sorry if I'm still not 100% getting it)

Don Bloom · August 13th, 2009, 02:55 PM

there are 2 scenarios for a podium. One at the ceremony for the readers in which case I place a wireless lav back to my receiver-very clean audio. If you mean at the reception you could do the same OR place a small pocket recorder with a lav on the podium OR set a mic with a plugin transmitter back to the DJs speaker going back to your wireless receiver to your camera but that only works if the microphone the speakers are using is going to the DJs board. If they are using the house system (I hate them as generally they have a bunch of small speakers in the ceiling and the sound is awful) thenperhaps place a mic on a stand and raise it up pointing to a speaker with a plugin transmitter going to the receiver on your camera.
Keep in mind that while I have done that I generally use a mic in front of the DJs speaker since in most cases around here they use his/her mic, I also use a hpyercaroid on the camera which works far better than a shotgun indoors. I also am not afraid to get close to the subject not only for audio purposes but for video purposes as well. I try not to be more than 8 feet away.

Dave Blackhurst · August 13th, 2009, 03:22 PM

This is where a flock of iRivers (or other small recorders) comes in handy... you can stick one almost anywhere, the internal mic would probably suffice in a pinch on a podium, or use a lav. Just don't forget to collect them.

I've not EVER had what I'd consider GOOD luck with "house audio" - lots of the OTHER kind of "luck"... people don't use mics, forget to turn mics on, feedback, etc... while I'll usually try to include it as ONE possible sound source...

I'd rather have several dedicated "point source" recorders if possible, OR several wireless, but that gets expensive and problematic if you're in a high RF environment (many modern venues have a pretty complete spectrum of wireless gear on site, finding empty air space to squeeze into may not work very well).

Rishi Kumar · August 17th, 2009, 09:34 PM

I still didnt get all the 100 options out there, so I went to a local store and decided to talk to them in person.

I liked the idea of recording on actual recorders, and not dealing with wireless things right now

I saw a few ones at a local store, and I was pretty impressed with the zoom H4n. However NOT impressed with the size. It seems pretty big and no groom or priest would want to put that in their pockets. The other smaller recorders didnt have the right XLR inputs I needed.

So I was wondering if you guys could recommend me any smaller sized recorders (you guys may use) that will allow me to hook up devices via XLR

Stelios Christofides · August 17th, 2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rishi Kumar

So I was wondering if you guys could recommend me any smaller sized recorders (you guys may use) that will allow me to hook up devices via XLR

Have a look at this one: Olympus DS-30

Stelios

Dave Blackhurst · August 18th, 2009, 10:10 AM

Rishi -
XLR and "pocket" aren't compatible... if you want something that's a nice pocketable size, you're going to be looking for something with miniplug - 1/8" inputs. Specific iRiver models work, as do other small recorders like the Olympus that is fairly popular with other regulars here. I'm sure there are quite a few brands of micro-recorders designed primarily to take dictation that would "work", it's just a matter of the audio quality they are capable of recording.

Then it's just a matter of finding a nice discreet Lav mic, and you're good to go. For the short cable run you're dealing with, you don't need a balanced (XLR) line.

August 9th, 2009, 03:03 PM	#19
Anthony Cipriano Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cheshire, Connecticut Posts: 86	Best Way of Capturing Vows Hey Guys, on this subject,what settings should the Zoom be at to record the ceremony if I double mic the groom? I'm using a Sennheiser Evolution G2 mated to a Beachtek adapter with my FX-1 for the ceremony. I own the Zoom H2 but have problems in the past with batteries running out or audio settings. I thought about putting a second mic on the groom and running that to the H2 or putting the Zoom on a mic stand in the area of the wedding party to pick up the ceremony. Any suggestions and suggestions about audio settings? Cheers! Tony

August 13th, 2009, 02:55 PM	#22
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	there are 2 scenarios for a podium. One at the ceremony for the readers in which case I place a wireless lav back to my receiver-very clean audio. If you mean at the reception you could do the same OR place a small pocket recorder with a lav on the podium OR set a mic with a plugin transmitter back to the DJs speaker going back to your wireless receiver to your camera but that only works if the microphone the speakers are using is going to the DJs board. If they are using the house system (I hate them as generally they have a bunch of small speakers in the ceiling and the sound is awful) thenperhaps place a mic on a stand and raise it up pointing to a speaker with a plugin transmitter going to the receiver on your camera. Keep in mind that while I have done that I generally use a mic in front of the DJs speaker since in most cases around here they use his/her mic, I also use a hpyercaroid on the camera which works far better than a shotgun indoors. I also am not afraid to get close to the subject not only for audio purposes but for video purposes as well. I try not to be more than 8 feet away. __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

August 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM	#16
Stephen J. Williams Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 768	I second the idea of going to the rehearsal. You can pick up a nice digital recorder for around 100$. I bought a sony one at best buy a few days ago to replace the H2 I had stolen. Mic the groom up an hour before the ceremony and start recording then. That way you can test everything out before it gets to stressful. I always do this... I get good clean audio from the groom, bride, and the officiant... Synch it up in post and then your done. Steve

August 7th, 2009, 12:07 PM	#17
Bryan Gilchrist Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 224	The WMS-PRO isn't the best, especially when there it fluorescent lighting around. Spend a few bucks more and get an Audio-Technica, Senheiser or Shure.

August 7th, 2009, 12:51 PM	#18
David Barnett Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 951	Never said it was the best. But I've found it to be clear, and usable without making a several hundred dollar investment.

August 13th, 2009, 02:40 PM	#21
Rishi Kumar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 55	What about the podium how do you get good audio out of speeches? (sorry if I'm still not 100% getting it)

August 13th, 2009, 03:22 PM	#23
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	This is where a flock of iRivers (or other small recorders) comes in handy... you can stick one almost anywhere, the internal mic would probably suffice in a pinch on a podium, or use a lav. Just don't forget to collect them. I've not EVER had what I'd consider GOOD luck with "house audio" - lots of the OTHER kind of "luck"... people don't use mics, forget to turn mics on, feedback, etc... while I'll usually try to include it as ONE possible sound source... I'd rather have several dedicated "point source" recorders if possible, OR several wireless, but that gets expensive and problematic if you're in a high RF environment (many modern venues have a pretty complete spectrum of wireless gear on site, finding empty air space to squeeze into may not work very well).

August 17th, 2009, 09:34 PM	#24
Rishi Kumar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 55	I still didnt get all the 100 options out there, so I went to a local store and decided to talk to them in person. I liked the idea of recording on actual recorders, and not dealing with wireless things right now I saw a few ones at a local store, and I was pretty impressed with the zoom H4n. However NOT impressed with the size. It seems pretty big and no groom or priest would want to put that in their pockets. The other smaller recorders didnt have the right XLR inputs I needed. So I was wondering if you guys could recommend me any smaller sized recorders (you guys may use) that will allow me to hook up devices via XLR

August 18th, 2009, 10:10 AM	#26
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Rishi - XLR and "pocket" aren't compatible... if you want something that's a nice pocketable size, you're going to be looking for something with miniplug - 1/8" inputs. Specific iRiver models work, as do other small recorders like the Olympus that is fairly popular with other regulars here. I'm sure there are quite a few brands of micro-recorders designed primarily to take dictation that would "work", it's just a matter of the audio quality they are capable of recording. Then it's just a matter of finding a nice discreet Lav mic, and you're good to go. For the short cable run you're dealing with, you don't need a balanced (XLR) line.