My Place In Heaven Has Been Reserved...

Chris Davis · May 4th, 2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel

Like someone else, I'm confused by the math here. Are you seriously cramming 1,650 images into 45 minutes or less ... at 1.6 seconds of screen-time per image ... maybe only 1 second of screen-time once you factor in dissolves? One second per image is not enough time .. heck .. two seconds is not enough time.

I agree. I really can't see following through with this project under these parameters. Your client probably doesn't understand how fast the images will fly by and will be quite disappointed in the final product.

It's our job as the "experts" to educate our clients, and quite often that means not blindly following their instructions.

You asked if $1,000 was "fair" - it's completely unfair for you to take her $1,000 and give her exactly what she asked for.

If I were in your shoes, I'd create the montage for one of the songs you mentioned that has 170 images. Let her see how bad that will look, then she will understand she needs to cull this collection down to about 400 images.

Ethan Cooper · May 4th, 2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Davis

I agree. I really can't see following through with this project under these parameters. Your client probably doesn't understand how fast the images will fly by and will be quite disappointed in the final product.

It's our job as the "experts" to educate our clients, and quite often that means not blindly following their instructions.

You asked if $1,000 was "fair" - it's completely unfair for you to take her $1,000 and give her exactly what she asked for.

If I were in your shoes, I'd create the montage for one of the songs you mentioned that has 170 images. Let her see how bad that will look, then she will understand she needs to cull this collection down to about 400 images.

The customer is always..... well, almost always.... ok so in our field it's pretty close to never really, but if they're paying and it's what they want and you show them and they don't care then take the cash, do the edit and let the chips fall where they may.

Blake Cavett · May 4th, 2009, 06:34 PM

Months ago on the phone I tried to tell her that a picture should be on screen anywhere from 3 to 5 seconds. A minimum of 3 seconds!

She says she HAS to have all these pictures in.

I sat this lady down today in my living room and showed her a typical montage and explained the work that goes in to making the pictures 'move you' with the music, the movement, etc.

I tried to tell her that picking the best 1,200 pictures would help... but she HAS to have all of them.

ALL OF THEM.

Yes... all 1,650 pictures. Otherwise someone will have their feelings hurt.

So... $1,000 bucks for $1,650 pictures set to the music she chooses... Heck, that's 0.006 cents per picture!

What a bargain!

Andy Tejral · May 4th, 2009, 06:43 PM

It may be reserved but you still need to finish the project before you can actually get in...

Blake Cavett · May 4th, 2009, 07:15 PM

Good point...

Susanto Widjaja · May 4th, 2009, 07:51 PM

This can really go to the weirdest wedding jobs hall of fame or some sort... :)

Santo

Ethan Cooper · May 4th, 2009, 07:55 PM

I can't wait till she asks him to swap the 132nd pic for the 781st, and change the transition somewhere about 32 minutes in but she's not sure quite where.

Or better yet, leave just one picture out and see if she notices.

Louis Maddalena · May 4th, 2009, 11:19 PM

Wow, I get about $1000 for 100 picture montages. And you're getting the same for 1650. Although as you said, really no creative editing, just putting it in.

Chris Davis · May 5th, 2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Blake Cavett

I tried to tell her that picking the best 1,200 pictures would help... but she HAS to have all of them.

Well, you tried and sometimes that's all we can do. In the end, she's the one writing the check.

Are you going to drop these individually on the timeline? It would be great if you had some automated way to do it.

Ethan Cooper · May 5th, 2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Louis Maddalena

Wow, I get about $1000 for 100 picture montages. And you're getting the same for 1650. Although as you said, really no creative editing, just putting it in.

$1000 for a 100 picture montage is pretty nice. I'm sure location has something to do with that. NY is slightly more affluent than Louisiana.

I personally hate doing these things and don't even try to sell them. I should jack my price up to your range to dissuade people from doing them.

Susanto Widjaja · May 5th, 2009, 07:08 AM

$1000 for 100 pictures..??

I'm thinking to switch profession to be slideshow specialist now..

maybe "cinematic wedding slideshow" as the company name...

500 pictures a week and I'm good.

:P

Santo

Blake Cavett · May 5th, 2009, 09:47 AM

I'm using Final Cut... and the nice thing is once I import the pictures, I drag a marquee and lay them on the timeline all at once.

Then I lay down the music... then drag another marquee around all the pictures on the timeline, change their length (2 seconds to 1 second 21 frames or whatever) until it closely matches the length of the song... and BOOM! DONE!

I wonder if I were to put a picture of me in as a baby if anyone would notice... ;)

Ethan Cooper · May 5th, 2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Blake Cavett

I wonder if I were to put a picture of me in as a baby if anyone would notice... ;)

When you start talking about inserting random photos Fight Club comes to mind...

Jim Snow · May 5th, 2009, 10:04 AM

A bit tongue in cheek - Treat the images as if they are MJPEG frames and render it as a DVD. At 30 fps, the running time will be just under a minute - far less boring that way! Of course you won't see much because every thing is going by so fast - but that's probably good. I sure that anyone who has to endure watching this compendium of boredom will appreciate your "artistic" brevity.

Ethan Cooper · May 5th, 2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Snow

compendium of boredom

Actually that's the best description I can imagine for this thing. Made me laugh, thanks.

In fact I think he should add "compendium of boredom" as an order option on his website.

May 4th, 2009, 06:34 PM	#18
Blake Cavett Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Madison Posts: 330	Months ago on the phone I tried to tell her that a picture should be on screen anywhere from 3 to 5 seconds. A minimum of 3 seconds! She says she HAS to have all these pictures in. I sat this lady down today in my living room and showed her a typical montage and explained the work that goes in to making the pictures 'move you' with the music, the movement, etc. I tried to tell her that picking the best 1,200 pictures would help... but she HAS to have all of them. ALL OF THEM. Yes... all 1,650 pictures. Otherwise someone will have their feelings hurt. So... $1,000 bucks for $1,650 pictures set to the music she chooses... Heck, that's 0.006 cents per picture! What a bargain! __________________ I like my oatmeal lumpy.

May 4th, 2009, 06:43 PM	#19
Andy Tejral Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 523	It may be reserved but you still need to finish the project before you can actually get in... __________________ Andy Tejral Railroad Videographer

May 4th, 2009, 07:15 PM	#20
Blake Cavett Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Madison Posts: 330	Good point... __________________ I like my oatmeal lumpy.

May 4th, 2009, 07:51 PM	#21
Susanto Widjaja Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 622	This can really go to the weirdest wedding jobs hall of fame or some sort... :) Santo __________________ If a picture is worth a thousand words, what about motion picture? website: www.papercranes.com.au \| blog: www.weddingvideosydney.net

May 4th, 2009, 07:55 PM	#22
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	I can't wait till she asks him to swap the 132nd pic for the 781st, and change the transition somewhere about 32 minutes in but she's not sure quite where. Or better yet, leave just one picture out and see if she notices. __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

May 4th, 2009, 11:19 PM	#23
Louis Maddalena Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NYC Area. Posts: 550	Wow, I get about $1000 for 100 picture montages. And you're getting the same for 1650. Although as you said, really no creative editing, just putting it in.

May 5th, 2009, 07:08 AM	#26
Susanto Widjaja Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 622	$1000 for 100 pictures..?? I'm thinking to switch profession to be slideshow specialist now.. maybe "cinematic wedding slideshow" as the company name... 500 pictures a week and I'm good. :P Santo __________________ If a picture is worth a thousand words, what about motion picture? website: www.papercranes.com.au \| blog: www.weddingvideosydney.net

May 5th, 2009, 09:47 AM	#27
Blake Cavett Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Madison Posts: 330	I'm using Final Cut... and the nice thing is once I import the pictures, I drag a marquee and lay them on the timeline all at once. Then I lay down the music... then drag another marquee around all the pictures on the timeline, change their length (2 seconds to 1 second 21 frames or whatever) until it closely matches the length of the song... and BOOM! DONE! I wonder if I were to put a picture of me in as a baby if anyone would notice... ;) __________________ I like my oatmeal lumpy.

May 5th, 2009, 10:04 AM	#29
Jim Snow Trustee Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,104	A bit tongue in cheek - Treat the images as if they are MJPEG frames and render it as a DVD. At 30 fps, the running time will be just under a minute - far less boring that way! Of course you won't see much because every thing is going by so fast - but that's probably good. I sure that anyone who has to endure watching this compendium of boredom will appreciate your "artistic" brevity.