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Lalo Alvidrez · April 25th, 2009, 01:23 PM

Okay, I asked a bride about the music for her highlight video and she said that she didn't want anything mushy so she gave me a list of songs she wants me to use. Not the ideal songs.
1. Dave Matthews Band-- Crush
2. Allman Brothers--Blue Sky
3. Donavon Frankenreiter-- Life, Love & Laughter

would you just do your best and use these songs or suggest something else?

Jeff Emery · April 26th, 2009, 08:25 AM

The use of copyrighted music without permission from the copyright holder is illegal.

We all know it goes on every day and even by those who are generally perceived as being "honorable" and "doing the right thing".

My suggestion would be to make your client happy, but not to publicly announce your intentions or willingness to violate copyright law in order to do it.

Jeff

Terry Esslinger · April 26th, 2009, 12:14 PM

Jeff,
Actually I think he was not asking about using copyrighted music (which I think most of us know is illegal) but was asking about those particular songs. Possible as not being suitable for his purpose. It was probably a good isea to remind him about the legality however, just in case.

Lalo Alvidrez · April 26th, 2009, 03:23 PM

Jeff thanks for the coat tail tugging. they want me to use at least one of the those songs but not really wanting to. Like you said copyright infringement not cool.

Dennis Murphy · April 26th, 2009, 03:32 PM

Dave Matthews Band - 'Crash into me' is a beautiful weddingy type song in my opinion.

John Knight · April 27th, 2009, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Emery

We all know it goes on every day and even by those who are generally perceived as being "honorable" and "doing the right thing".

We thank you Zen Master. <bows>

Jeff Emery · April 27th, 2009, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Knight

We thank you Zen Master. <bows>

???

Jeff

Tim Harjo · April 27th, 2009, 07:43 PM

If you have access to all of them, you can just listen to them and close your eyes. You already know what footage you have. Let your mind with your eyes closed tell you which one has the right feel... or the one that you would like to work with.

So, yes, you might just have to do the best with what you have. But ask yourself this question.... what can you do so that you don't have to be in this situation again. For myself, I don't bring up the topic of music to the client. I pick something modern that fits.

Aaron Mayberry · April 28th, 2009, 03:27 PM

I ask for their favorite genres.

Lalo Alvidrez · April 29th, 2009, 07:18 PM

asking for a favorite genre is a good idea. I'll make sure to keep myself from this situation.

Buba Kastorski · April 30th, 2009, 08:52 PM

I'm not sure if you charge clients for the highlights, I don't,
Next day after wedding I just post B&G personal webpage on my site with the "preview" clip,
and because it's "free" I don't need to ask what music they like,
so far every one of my clients were more than happy.

Philip Howells · May 1st, 2009, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buba Kastorski

I'm not sure if you charge clients for the highlights, I don't,
Next day after wedding I just post B&G personal webpage on my site with the "preview" clip,
and because it's "free" I don't need to ask what music they like,
so far every one of my clients were more than happy.

Buba

I'm no expert on copyright law in Canada - in the UK we have an eminently sensible, inexpensive and easy way to clear use of all copyright material for wedding videos - but I think I'd check whether the element of charging is relevant.

In most jurisdictions it is the act of copying that's covered not whether you charged for doing it. As I say I know nothing about Canadian law but my gut feeling is to recommend you double check.

If I'm wrong, please tell everyone here - I'm sure many people would be pleased to hear it!

Steve House · May 1st, 2009, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buba Kastorski

I'm not sure if you charge clients for the highlights, I don't,
Next day after wedding I just post B&G personal webpage on my site with the "preview" clip,
and because it's "free" I don't need to ask what music they like,
so far every one of my clients were more than happy.

Philip is absolutely right. If you haven't licensed the music usage from its copyright owners, it's illegal (and IMO unethical) to use it. Period, full stop, no exceptions. Doesn't matter at all whether you charge or not, whether the B&G own the CD or not, whether it's under [insert urban legend time here] seconds in length, nothing. No license, illegal to use.

Australia, the UK, and a few other parts of the world have relatively simple and economical ways to properly license the music for low impact uses such as weddings. Canada, the USA, and most of the rest of the world do not. We really should, but until the law is changed one ought to just say no to client requests for you perform illegal acts.

Jeff Kellam · May 4th, 2009, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve House

Philip is absolutely right. If you haven't licensed the music usage from its copyright owners, it's illegal (and IMO unethical) to use it. Period, full stop, no exceptions. Doesn't matter at all whether you charge or not, whether the B&G own the CD or not, whether it's under [insert urban legend time here] seconds in length, nothing. No license, illegal to use.

Australia, the UK, and a few other parts of the world have relatively simple and economical ways to properly license the music for low impact uses such as weddings. Canada, the USA, and most of the rest of the world do not. We really should, but until the law is changed one ought to just say no to client requests for you perform illegal acts.

I also fully agree.

It's illegal, period.

Will you get caught, no, but it's still illegal and unprofessional.

Record your music (in high quality) at the venue as part of the event, It' may still be illegal that way, I don't know, but it may be a fair use.

Tom Sessions · May 4th, 2009, 09:48 AM

In the U.S. it is perfectly legal to use certain types of music for your wedding videos. I have posted the pull quote (below) on this site before, but people here are still ignorant.

This is my justification for using whatever music I want as long as it meets the criteria below:

This is a pull quote from MediaLaw in response to a question posed by a videographer

Music usage for wedding videos
By: MediaLaw Lawyer
Date: 5/22/2007 10:56:35 PM Member Since: 6/1/2006
State: NY
You obviously haven't found the "Romantic Legislative Protocol and Marriage Enhancement and Promotion" provision of the Copyright Act. In an effort to promote marriage, Congress enacted a little known exception to the Copyright Act, called the Fair Use. So long as the music is romantic in nature and not acid rock, heavy metal, surf music, anti-war, etc. videographers are okay in synchronizing sappy love songs and "our song" recordings. Nora Jones, Avril Lavigne and other performers who have changed their name are automatically covered. I'd add Bobby Vinton but I'd be showing my age.

April 25th, 2009, 01:23 PM	#1
Lalo Alvidrez Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Longview, Tx. Posts: 227	Montage music Okay, I asked a bride about the music for her highlight video and she said that she didn't want anything mushy so she gave me a list of songs she wants me to use. Not the ideal songs. 1. Dave Matthews Band-- Crush 2. Allman Brothers--Blue Sky 3. Donavon Frankenreiter-- Life, Love & Laughter would you just do your best and use these songs or suggest something else?

April 26th, 2009, 12:14 PM	#3
Terry Esslinger Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento, Elk Grove. Calif Posts: 306	Jeff, Actually I think he was not asking about using copyrighted music (which I think most of us know is illegal) but was asking about those particular songs. Possible as not being suitable for his purpose. It was probably a good isea to remind him about the legality however, just in case. __________________ Puttin the wet stuff on the red stuff!

April 26th, 2009, 03:32 PM	#5
Dennis Murphy Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Whangarei, New Zealand Posts: 396	Dave Matthews Band - 'Crash into me' is a beautiful weddingy type song in my opinion. __________________ http://www.dmvideostuff.co.nz

April 28th, 2009, 03:27 PM	#9
Aaron Mayberry Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Flint, MI Posts: 212	I ask for their favorite genres. __________________ www.styleandmotion.com - Modern Wedding Films based in Michigan www.miweddingblog.com - Michigan's dedicated wedding blog

April 30th, 2009, 08:52 PM	#11
Buba Kastorski Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,414	I'm not sure if you charge clients for the highlights, I don't, Next day after wedding I just post B&G personal webpage on my site with the "preview" clip, and because it's "free" I don't need to ask what music they like, so far every one of my clients were more than happy. __________________ I love this place!

April 26th, 2009, 08:25 AM	#2
Jeff Emery Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 222	The use of copyrighted music without permission from the copyright holder is illegal. We all know it goes on every day and even by those who are generally perceived as being "honorable" and "doing the right thing". My suggestion would be to make your client happy, but not to publicly announce your intentions or willingness to violate copyright law in order to do it. Jeff

April 26th, 2009, 03:23 PM	#4
Lalo Alvidrez Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Longview, Tx. Posts: 227	Jeff thanks for the coat tail tugging. they want me to use at least one of the those songs but not really wanting to. Like you said copyright infringement not cool.

April 27th, 2009, 07:43 PM	#8
Tim Harjo Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 195	If you have access to all of them, you can just listen to them and close your eyes. You already know what footage you have. Let your mind with your eyes closed tell you which one has the right feel... or the one that you would like to work with. So, yes, you might just have to do the best with what you have. But ask yourself this question.... what can you do so that you don't have to be in this situation again. For myself, I don't bring up the topic of music to the client. I pick something modern that fits.

April 29th, 2009, 07:18 PM	#10
Lalo Alvidrez Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Longview, Tx. Posts: 227	asking for a favorite genre is a good idea. I'll make sure to keep myself from this situation.

May 4th, 2009, 09:48 AM	#15
Tom Sessions Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 154	In the U.S. it is perfectly legal to use certain types of music for your wedding videos. I have posted the pull quote (below) on this site before, but people here are still ignorant. This is my justification for using whatever music I want as long as it meets the criteria below: This is a pull quote from MediaLaw in response to a question posed by a videographer Music usage for wedding videos By: MediaLaw Lawyer Date: 5/22/2007 10:56:35 PM Member Since: 6/1/2006 State: NY You obviously haven't found the "Romantic Legislative Protocol and Marriage Enhancement and Promotion" provision of the Copyright Act. In an effort to promote marriage, Congress enacted a little known exception to the Copyright Act, called the Fair Use. So long as the music is romantic in nature and not acid rock, heavy metal, surf music, anti-war, etc. videographers are okay in synchronizing sappy love songs and "our song" recordings. Nora Jones, Avril Lavigne and other performers who have changed their name are automatically covered. I'd add Bobby Vinton but I'd be showing my age.