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Adam Palinkas · March 5th, 2009, 12:16 PM

Ok so I have been shooting as a contractor for a company for a while and this year decided to start on my own. I currently have six jobs booked and talking to a few more. I shoot with a PD-170 but need to get more cameras. I can a) buy another pd-170 (used) and a vx2100 to get me going or b) sell my camera and buy 3 HD cameras. I am a big Sony man so I have been kind of looking at staying with Sony. I love the Z5U, but buying three of them plus other equipment is a little steep. I thought about buying one and then buying some lower priced cameras, maybe even used. Here is a list of cameras I could use some input on, also how will any of these cameras pictures match up.

Z5U, FX1000, V1U, FX7, A1U, Z1U, FX1 also how about the HD1000U?

Thanks in advance for everyone's help and opinions.

Steve Shovlar · March 5th, 2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Palinkas

Ok so I have been shooting as a contractor for a company for a while and this year decided to start on my own. I currently have six jobs booked and talking to a few more. I shoot with a PD-170 but need to get more cameras. I can a) buy another pd-170 (used) and a vx2100 to get me going or b) sell my camera and buy 3 HD cameras. I am a big Sony man so I have been kind of looking at staying with Sony. I love the Z5U, but buying three of them plus other equipment is a little steep. I thought about buying one and then buying some lower priced cameras, maybe even used. Here is a list of cameras I could use some input on, also how will any of these cameras pictures match up.

Z5U, FX1000, V1U, FX7, A1U, Z1U, FX1 also how about the HD1000U?

Thanks in advance for everyone's help and opinions.

Why buy three lower quality cameras when you only need two? So buy two better quality cameras like the EX1 or perhaps Z7U. Or an EX3 and a cheaper TR12 for pickup shots?

Get well away from PD170's or VX2100's. Old hat for people coming into the business.It would be false economy and you would be forever playing catchup.

Joel Peregrine · March 5th, 2009, 01:13 PM

Hi Adam,

I'd suggest two FX1000 and a smaller camera as a backup - something like the Canon HV20, 30 or 40. There are so many options right now and none of them is perfect for most people like the VX and PD used to be. So many recording format options, chip types and media choices. Its dizzying. Standardization just doesn't seem to be on the horizon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Palinkas

Ok so I have been shooting as a contractor for a company for a while and this year decided to start on my own. I currently have six jobs booked and talking to a few more. I shoot with a PD-170 but need to get more cameras. I can a) buy another pd-170 (used) and a vx2100 to get me going or b) sell my camera and buy 3 HD cameras. I am a big Sony man so I have been kind of looking at staying with Sony. I love the Z5U, but buying three of them plus other equipment is a little steep. I thought about buying one and then buying some lower priced cameras, maybe even used. Here is a list of cameras I could use some input on, also how will any of these cameras pictures match up.

Z5U, FX1000, V1U, FX7, A1U, Z1U, FX1 also how about the HD1000U?

Thanks in advance for everyone's help and opinions.

Dave Blackhurst · March 5th, 2009, 01:34 PM

What about one Z5 + 2 FX1000's - if the budget is there, they are basically the same sensor and optics, just might be confusing with similar feel, but some different features. If the secondary cams are unmanned or by "help", simpler is probably better anyway.

In the Sony nomenclature, Z is the "pro" version of the FX "prosumer" cam, same for the Z1/FX1, not sure why the V1/FX 7 didn't conform to that...

If budget is really tight, might take a look at the new XR500/520 for multi-angle/backups, and one "big" cam.

It'd be worth your time to peruse the dedicated threads/forums on DVi for these cameras to familiarize a bit with what users are reporting - the Z5/FX1000 is getting pretty good reviews, FWIW. It is of course the "newest" offering, with the others you mentioned being several years old now.

Jack Tran · March 6th, 2009, 03:29 PM

I have to agree with Dave, Z5 + FX1000.

Or if budget doesnt permit, i would say Z1 + FX1.

Check out the different Sony section on this forum to get a sense of the camera.

DONT waste your money on the HD1000U. An hv30 would be alot better than that, even though the hd1000u is in the shape of a professional shoulder mount.

Stelios Christofides · March 6th, 2009, 04:17 PM

If I were you I would get a Z5 plus FX1000 or the FX7 if budget is tight, but definitely the Z5 is a must.

Stelios

Steve Montoto · March 6th, 2009, 09:37 PM

I hear all you guys recommending the Z5 for weddings. What about the rolling shutter/during flash issue, or is this really a overstated problem? I too was considering a Z5 but hell everyone has me scared to death about the rolling shutter issue. Im now considering the HMC150. Your knowledge would be helpful.

Thank you

Lukas Siewior · March 6th, 2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Montoto

I hear all you guys recommending the Z5 for weddings. What about the rolling shutter/during flash issue, or is this really a overstated problem? I too was considering a Z5 but hell everyone has me scared to death about the rolling shutter issue. Im now considering the HMC150. Your knowledge would be helpful.

Thank you

Rolling shutter is affecting at two situations. Flash are just one of them and are totally manageable since majority of the views don't have a clue what's happening - flash is flash for them.

I thing more important draw back of during fast pans - the frames gets jittered (sp?). You have to pan slowly. With weddings it's not a problem since most of the work is based on smooth movement of the camera. But if you plan to shoot action/horror movies then it might be an issue.

I guess you should test it out first before making final decision.

Buba Kastorski · March 6th, 2009, 10:24 PM

Go HD, go with your budget, buy the best you can afford,
good luck.

Dave Blackhurst · March 7th, 2009, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Montoto

I hear all you guys recommending the Z5 for weddings. What about the rolling shutter/during flash issue, or is this really a overstated problem? I too was considering a Z5 but hell everyone has me scared to death about the rolling shutter issue. Im now considering the HMC150. Your knowledge would be helpful.

Thank you

Well, it's that or "CCD smear" <wink>. RS is an issue if your camera technique is bad - but HD is just plain less forgiving of "bad operator" issues... CCD OR CMOS aside you can't whip the camera around or bounce it all over the place... good technique takes care of THAT part of the RS issue. You may have some issues with fast motion or fast moving objects, but that's nothing that most ANY camera won't face in some form.

As far as the "flash" problem, the partial exposures are a shock at first, particularly when you're trying to slo mo the footage. BUT as stated, most viewers won't notice (I'm seeing footage with partial frames all the time on TV in news or other footage), and it's a timing issue that determines whether you get partial or full frames and how much is affected... it can vary greatly.

Then again, I've looked back on SD footage with CCD's, and flash didn't treat THOSE frames any too delicately either... just no "partials", instead the whole frame typically looked like poo, pixelization and scrambling galore...

Robert Bec · March 7th, 2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Montoto

hell everyone has me scared to death about the rolling shutter issue.

Thank you

Everyone that complains about rolling shutter are the guys that don't even own one of these cameras. I have been using a Sony Z7 for a while now and not once has anyone said why is the flash like that, it happens so fast it just looks like a normal flash.

Listen to guys that own these cameras not to guys that don't and i but you would get a positive answer every time. Go the Z5 or Z7 or Ex1 make sure your camera has XLR inputs christal clear audio is vital

Norman Gaddis · March 7th, 2009, 06:17 PM

"Everyone that complains about rolling shutter are the guys that don't even own one of these cameras."

Not so. I own an FX1000 and I despise the rolling shutter. I also own an HMC150. I'll take the HMC150 any day over the FX1000. I'm trying to sell the FX right now and it appears there's not much demand for it. It's a brand new camera and B&H will only pay $1600 for it. That says a lot about how "not so great" these Sony cameras truly are.

Dave Blackhurst · March 7th, 2009, 09:05 PM

How much you want for it? I think with the economy things are really tight, so used gear, particularly high end, isn't moving as well as it used to, but $1600 seems awfully low to me, like at least $1k low... that's 1/2 of list price, isn't it?

I'm sure the HMC150 is a nice camera, and may be better than the FX1000 (which IMO should have ditched the tape...), but the FX1000 isn't THAT bad a camera from what I've seen.

FWIW, I've dealt with RS for a while, and while it's not terrific, it's not a deal breaker for most uses. And I've never had any complaints about it from clients/viewers. (and yes, it does bug me a little!)

Lukas Siewior · March 7th, 2009, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Gaddis

"Everyone that complains about rolling shutter are the guys that don't even own one of these cameras."

Not so. I own an FX1000 and I despise the rolling shutter. I also own an HMC150. I'll take the HMC150 any day over the FX1000. I'm trying to sell the FX right now and it appears there's not much demand for it. It's a brand new camera and B&H will only pay $1600 for it. That says a lot about how "not so great" these Sony cameras truly are.

Where were you a week ago when I was buying mine????

Robert Bec · March 8th, 2009, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Gaddis

"Everyone that complains about rolling shutter are the guys that don't even own one of these cameras."

Not so. I own an FX1000 and I despise the rolling shutter. I also own an HMC150. I'll take the HMC150 any day over the FX1000. I'm trying to sell the FX right now and it appears there's not much demand for it. It's a brand new camera and B&H will only pay $1600 for it. That says a lot about how "not so great" these Sony cameras truly are.

Why are you selling it and what are you using it for?

March 5th, 2009, 12:16 PM	#1
Adam Palinkas New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 5	Which way do I go? I Need camera help. Ok so I have been shooting as a contractor for a company for a while and this year decided to start on my own. I currently have six jobs booked and talking to a few more. I shoot with a PD-170 but need to get more cameras. I can a) buy another pd-170 (used) and a vx2100 to get me going or b) sell my camera and buy 3 HD cameras. I am a big Sony man so I have been kind of looking at staying with Sony. I love the Z5U, but buying three of them plus other equipment is a little steep. I thought about buying one and then buying some lower priced cameras, maybe even used. Here is a list of cameras I could use some input on, also how will any of these cameras pictures match up. Z5U, FX1000, V1U, FX7, A1U, Z1U, FX1 also how about the HD1000U? Thanks in advance for everyone's help and opinions.

March 6th, 2009, 04:17 PM	#6
Stelios Christofides Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nicosia, CYPRUS Posts: 1,080	If I were you I would get a Z5 plus FX1000 or the FX7 if budget is tight, but definitely the Z5 is a must. Stelios __________________ My Blog: http://steliosc.blogspot.com "I hope for nothing, I fear nothing, I am free" Nikos Kazantzakis

March 6th, 2009, 10:24 PM	#9
Buba Kastorski Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,414	Go HD, go with your budget, buy the best you can afford, good luck. __________________ I love this place!

March 5th, 2009, 01:34 PM	#4
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	What about one Z5 + 2 FX1000's - if the budget is there, they are basically the same sensor and optics, just might be confusing with similar feel, but some different features. If the secondary cams are unmanned or by "help", simpler is probably better anyway. In the Sony nomenclature, Z is the "pro" version of the FX "prosumer" cam, same for the Z1/FX1, not sure why the V1/FX 7 didn't conform to that... If budget is really tight, might take a look at the new XR500/520 for multi-angle/backups, and one "big" cam. It'd be worth your time to peruse the dedicated threads/forums on DVi for these cameras to familiarize a bit with what users are reporting - the Z5/FX1000 is getting pretty good reviews, FWIW. It is of course the "newest" offering, with the others you mentioned being several years old now.

March 6th, 2009, 03:29 PM	#5
Jack Tran Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Houston USA Posts: 90	I have to agree with Dave, Z5 + FX1000. Or if budget doesnt permit, i would say Z1 + FX1. Check out the different Sony section on this forum to get a sense of the camera. DONT waste your money on the HD1000U. An hv30 would be alot better than that, even though the hd1000u is in the shape of a professional shoulder mount.

March 6th, 2009, 09:37 PM	#7
Steve Montoto Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 302	I hear all you guys recommending the Z5 for weddings. What about the rolling shutter/during flash issue, or is this really a overstated problem? I too was considering a Z5 but hell everyone has me scared to death about the rolling shutter issue. Im now considering the HMC150. Your knowledge would be helpful. Thank you

March 7th, 2009, 06:17 PM	#12
Norman Gaddis New Boot Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Buford, Georgia Posts: 23	"Everyone that complains about rolling shutter are the guys that don't even own one of these cameras." Not so. I own an FX1000 and I despise the rolling shutter. I also own an HMC150. I'll take the HMC150 any day over the FX1000. I'm trying to sell the FX right now and it appears there's not much demand for it. It's a brand new camera and B&H will only pay $1600 for it. That says a lot about how "not so great" these Sony cameras truly are.

March 7th, 2009, 09:05 PM	#13
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	How much you want for it? I think with the economy things are really tight, so used gear, particularly high end, isn't moving as well as it used to, but $1600 seems awfully low to me, like at least $1k low... that's 1/2 of list price, isn't it? I'm sure the HMC150 is a nice camera, and may be better than the FX1000 (which IMO should have ditched the tape...), but the FX1000 isn't THAT bad a camera from what I've seen. FWIW, I've dealt with RS for a while, and while it's not terrific, it's not a deal breaker for most uses. And I've never had any complaints about it from clients/viewers. (and yes, it does bug me a little!)