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Dana Salsbury · January 3rd, 2009, 07:47 PM

We've been noticing a time-killer in our workflow is revisions. Typically I render and burn the rough draft of a project and my wife reviews it for quality control. I then make the changes, render and burn a second DVD. The first render/burn process seems unneccissary, but it's the only way she can watch it on tv and not tie up our main computer.

The second time-killer is that couples often want one or two changes, such as more dancing. Making these changes is more of a pain, as I'm in the middle of something else w/ a deadline. If the render process wasn't so long, I didn't have to burn and print a DVD, run to the Post Office, it would be no problem. Having clients preview it would give us the same dilema. What do you guys do?

Alex Sprinkle · January 3rd, 2009, 07:58 PM

This is not what I do, but have you thought about setting up your TV as a monitor, then you can just play straight to the TV? That should eliminate 1 export/burn.

Ken Diewert · January 3rd, 2009, 08:38 PM

Maybe it's just me but I hate burning DVD's. So I sure don't like to do it for drafts. I either put the video up on my site, or use a USB memory stick. You could put it up on Youtube in HD and set the privacy settings.

John Knight · January 3rd, 2009, 09:46 PM

Don't do drafts. Edit it once - properly. Burn. In your contract you should state "artistic creation and editing is at the sole discretion of the producer. Aesthetic changes are possible but may incur additional studio editing fees."

Solved. :)

Blake Cavett · January 3rd, 2009, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john knight

don't do drafts. Edit it once - properly. Burn. In your contract you should state "artistic creation and editing is at the sole discretion of the producer. Aesthetic changes are possible but may incur additional studio editing fees."

solved. :)

qft!!!!!!!

Joe Allen Rosenberger · January 3rd, 2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Knight

Don't do drafts. Edit it once - properly. Burn. In your contract you should state "artistic creation and editing is at the sole discretion of the producer. Aesthetic changes are possible but may incur additional studio editing fees."

Solved. :)

John said it right on. My studio charges $$$ per hour for any creative/stylistic changes....AND I rarely get any requests for them. Do it right the first time is the best insurance in preventing these requests.

Alec Moreno · January 4th, 2009, 02:36 AM

Same here.

Vince Lucena · January 4th, 2009, 07:40 AM

The only time I give a draft and it would be a flash or mov on my server is for Text accuracy. When I do Lower Thirds for processionals I want to make sure it's error free, so I export only this portion for the newlyweds to view/QA.

The last one I did, sure enough the text was fine fine, but the brides maids and grooms men entered out of order of the written program.

John De Rienzo · January 4th, 2009, 08:55 AM

Never do a draft, never will! My contract has the same words as John Knights. Not one come back to date.

If I did make a mistake, (Typing, obvious flaw in DVD)of course I would be happy to rectify the situation, but I would never encourage the couple,or suggest to them they are able to make changes at a whim. Asking for trouble in my opinion. The next thing they will do is sit in with you on the edit telling you how they want it!

Can you imagine what the finished product could end up looking like!!!

All artistic creation within the edit is left at my discretion. They see my sample and they either book me, or not, based on the quality in front of them and how I have handled the material.

Just my two pence worth

Lukas Siewior · January 16th, 2009, 10:36 PM

Same here. No changes to the video/DVD's except technical difficulties with playback. I have my wife watch the DVD just to make sure there are no mistakes in edit. But the couple doesn't get to see anything.

I did once a "custom wedding" and I regret it till now. Learned a lesson - never let the customers suggest changes after the video is completed. In general I like to ask them before they sign the contract if there are any features they'd like me to put in their video (i.e. no pics, quick intro, B&W only highlights, etc). But I stick to my artistic style and don't change it - unless I want to.

Also as far as the deadline, and revisions. Dana, you should add to your contract that any revisions are postponing the due date and it's customers "fault", not yours.

January 3rd, 2009, 07:47 PM	#1
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	Revisions We've been noticing a time-killer in our workflow is revisions. Typically I render and burn the rough draft of a project and my wife reviews it for quality control. I then make the changes, render and burn a second DVD. The first render/burn process seems unneccissary, but it's the only way she can watch it on tv and not tie up our main computer. The second time-killer is that couples often want one or two changes, such as more dancing. Making these changes is more of a pain, as I'm in the middle of something else w/ a deadline. If the render process wasn't so long, I didn't have to burn and print a DVD, run to the Post Office, it would be no problem. Having clients preview it would give us the same dilema. What do you guys do? __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

January 3rd, 2009, 07:58 PM	#2
Alex Sprinkle Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moore, Oklahoma Posts: 408	This is not what I do, but have you thought about setting up your TV as a monitor, then you can just play straight to the TV? That should eliminate 1 export/burn. __________________ What if hand guns were really hand guns?

January 3rd, 2009, 08:38 PM	#3
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Maybe it's just me but I hate burning DVD's. So I sure don't like to do it for drafts. I either put the video up on my site, or use a USB memory stick. You could put it up on Youtube in HD and set the privacy settings. __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

January 4th, 2009, 07:40 AM	#8
Vince Lucena Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, Va Posts: 91	The only time I give a draft and it would be a flash or mov on my server is for Text accuracy. When I do Lower Thirds for processionals I want to make sure it's error free, so I export only this portion for the newlyweds to view/QA. The last one I did, sure enough the text was fine fine, but the brides maids and grooms men entered out of order of the written program. __________________ ......................... MotionOne Studios http://www.MotionOne.tv

January 3rd, 2009, 09:46 PM	#4
John Knight Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 588	Don't do drafts. Edit it once - properly. Burn. In your contract you should state "artistic creation and editing is at the sole discretion of the producer. Aesthetic changes are possible but may incur additional studio editing fees." Solved. :)

January 4th, 2009, 02:36 AM	#7
Alec Moreno Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 184	Same here.

January 4th, 2009, 08:55 AM	#9
John De Rienzo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: London Posts: 313	Never do a draft, never will! My contract has the same words as John Knights. Not one come back to date. If I did make a mistake, (Typing, obvious flaw in DVD)of course I would be happy to rectify the situation, but I would never encourage the couple,or suggest to them they are able to make changes at a whim. Asking for trouble in my opinion. The next thing they will do is sit in with you on the edit telling you how they want it! Can you imagine what the finished product could end up looking like!!! All artistic creation within the edit is left at my discretion. They see my sample and they either book me, or not, based on the quality in front of them and how I have handled the material. Just my two pence worth

January 16th, 2009, 10:36 PM	#10
Lukas Siewior Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lyndhurst, NJ, USA Posts: 408	Same here. No changes to the video/DVD's except technical difficulties with playback. I have my wife watch the DVD just to make sure there are no mistakes in edit. But the couple doesn't get to see anything. I did once a "custom wedding" and I regret it till now. Learned a lesson - never let the customers suggest changes after the video is completed. In general I like to ask them before they sign the contract if there are any features they'd like me to put in their video (i.e. no pics, quick intro, B&W only highlights, etc). But I stick to my artistic style and don't change it - unless I want to. Also as far as the deadline, and revisions. Dana, you should add to your contract that any revisions are postponing the due date and it's customers "fault", not yours.