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Client requests "all rights"
I got a strange request from a client. They are very well informed and I have the feeling that they must work in the video/television industry. So, they email us with a long list of requests - all very doable, so no problem. Then the last item, they request copies of all the raw footage - and all rights. I don't really have any problem giving the copies of the raw.
But, signing over "all rights" makes wonder. Could this lead to any problems down the road. Normally, we really don't hear much from the clients much after delivery, unless they're sending us a referral. I proposed a compromise, that I would give them the rights to do anything they want with the video, but I'd like to keep rights to the footage for promotional purposes. Anyone see potential land mines here liability-wise, or am I just over thinking the whole thing?
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I suspect you are right in that they are more savvy to the production process. As to why they would want with 'all the rights' to their own wedding video - One could speculate. Perhaps the intend to sell it to a reality show. Perhaps they intend to use the footage as examples of their own production capabilities. Perhaps they intend to use the footage inside another production of some sort, either fictional narrative or documentary style - who knows.
If you are okay with releasing to them the right to use your work in this way, then sure - give it to them. If you want to retain the right to use the footage in promotional materials, then make sure you define promotional in a broad context. Ask for it, and then see how they respond. |
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if they want the rights, sell them the rights.
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If you sell them all the rights, that means that you will have none of the rights and you will not be able to use any of the footage for anything else. I personally don't like this so if someone wanted this from me, it would cost them a lot of money. But that's just me.
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I suspect Steve has nailed it on this one.
With the corporate work I do I always state that I assign "Company X" the rights but I put a clause in the contract which specifies that my company "retains the right to use all or part of the material for publicity (e.g. on our own website) to showcase the high standard of work".... etc. Sure, corporate and wedding (I assume its a wedding because of the section it's in - but the principle is the same whatever it is anyway) are very different markets but, as the guy above says (Giroud), if they want to exclude you from any further "use" then the've got to pay for that right in some way!
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I would certainly sell it to them for a reasonable fee. They probably want to make copies and not fee bad about it. Good on them. Unless it's an all-nude affair, has some extraordinary celebrity attached, or there is big goof or news-making event that happens, nothing will be marketable of it to sell. The hullabaloo that folks make on their work gaining them profit is a lot of hot wind for the most part. For many functions, it is a profit center, but a wedding video the profit can easily be recouped in adding a small amount to the cost to the whole amount. You won't be able to use the content without permission, anyway, so that's off the table. So, why not sell the rights? Mike
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Maybe your client is someone very famous, and they don't want you putting up their wedding online.
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I don't do weddings, but in the entertainment area where I work, I get roughly a 50/50 on those that want all rights and those that don't - and I set my fees to take this into account.
Most people who don't know, never give copyright any thought. These people obviously do understand it, and want to buy from you a package of edited material, and the original tapes - leaving you with nothing, but the fee. If you can agree a price, it's not really a big issue unless you really wanted the footage for some other purpose, when the people who are paying you are just getting a dvd and no rights at all for their money? |
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I think you've already got the "answer", but you should always have a clause in the contract allowing you to use the footage shot for personal/professional "promotion", broadly defined.
If someone understands copyright and wants the right to make their own DVD copies, they probably want to avoid the hassle of coming back to you or having to pay a "silly" fee for DVD copies... I'd have no problem supplying the origninal DVD artwork and a master, but I'd be concerned with the "QC", and would rather give them a great deal on however many copies they thought they might ever need in an up front package - I don't really care whether I burn 5, 10, or 100 - if I'm "in the groove" doing a project, it's just getting fair compensation for disk swapping and materials... IMO wedding video doesn't have a big "back end" or residual potential (one of the crappy aspects of the "biz"), so why would you really care about anything other than promo rights?? Heck with the divorce rate nowdays, you're probably trying to get the product out before it's obsoleted by a Court filing anyway <wink>! This does raise the aspect or whether we get paid anywhere near enough for a "one shot" custom product though - what good is ownership or rights to footage that you won't ever have a market for anyway - you have to make it on the "front end" in this biz, or not at all, not like your gonna be getting points on the blockbuster release of "Ben and Jens Wedding" (Ben Smith and Jen Jones of course!). |
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Actually, I really don't mind giving the client the rights to do whatever they want with the video. My guess is he either works in the industry or is a high-end amateur and may to have the opportunity down the road to re-cut the footage. Who knows may it will someday become part of some larger family video or whatever. I'm cool with that. My concern is that this particular client is interested in one of our largest packages with all the bells and whistles. I just to be able to use whatever I like on our website, in our demo and to send to potential new clients.
So, I'm thinking of adding a rider to our contract giving them the rights to our video, but retaining rights so we can use our footage for "promotional" purposes.
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I would have no problem giving them all rights. Provided they are willing to pay for that level. Hollywood purchases still photos from photographers to use as "props" in a movie. They always want "all rights" and are willing to pay for that level of ownership. Agreeing to anything less than that, sets a precedent for all the indies out there trying to make a living. Don't give in.
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Most people don't include the model release as part of the sales contract as that is a separate legal issue related to FA rights. The client has a privacy right which is related to "right of publicity" aspects, the right to license the use of images/video or refuse to let someone use them for commercial purposes is all part of the model release and has nothing to do with copyright. Essentially, a videographers copyright protection of the works has nothing to do with your "promotional" (actually commercial use to derive revenue) use of the works. You can't use the models images in a commercial works without the models express consent in the release.
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