1 Camera and 2 Cameras wedding videos

Matt Bishop · September 4th, 2008, 06:05 PM

correct....I always have a second person with me...most of the time it's my wife and the other times I have assistants that I hire to come help. It's a part time/ freelance job for them and they do have their own normal full time jobs. I usually don't keep them as long as I'm there either....start later and leave earlier.

Robert Bec · September 4th, 2008, 06:06 PM

Anthony 99.9% of my jobs are one camera thats just the way its done here i noticed people in the U.S tend to always use a second shooter. It's your choice if you can charge the second cameraman out fine.

Rob

Anthony Smith · September 5th, 2008, 03:50 AM

The biggest wedding i have done was about 700 guests and they only pay for 1 camera because the couple thought video was not very important but its good to capture something on the day.

Uli Mors · September 5th, 2008, 04:18 AM

one cam, sometimes (3%) 2nd for ceremony.

I can coordinate my work better this way - and offer not too many options sometimes is better too...

uli

Robert Bec · September 5th, 2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Smith

The biggest wedding i have done was about 700 guests and they only pay for 1 camera because the couple thought video was not very important but its good to capture something on the day.

It upsets me to say it but couples always put photography before video i dont know why

Peter Ralph · September 5th, 2008, 03:39 PM

prosumer: pro is the image quality, sumer is the build quality.

you turn up at a wedding without a spare camera, gutsy play!

Peter Szilveszter · September 6th, 2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Bec

It upsets me to say it but couples always put photography before video i dont know why

Simple, photography has been around for years before video and everyone has been bought up with the idea photography is the thing to have. Lets hope the new gen start realising that's not the way.

Keep in mind customers compare to commercial product, pick up a magazine and the photographer can do the same shot for peanuts, watch a commercial and its 10k+ so the couple puts the photographer ahead as they can achieve supposed higher quality work then video. Which is of course not true, but that's how it is right now in Australia.

Tom Hardwick · September 7th, 2008, 02:51 AM

Shot another wedding all day yesterday (in the rain), and realised I'd filmed one of the bridesmaids as a bride over two years ago.

I always like to ask how they view their photos and DVD after a couple of years have passed and know what? She said (and her hubby agreed with her) that although the pictures were nice to have, technically excellent and so on, it was the DVD they returned to time after time.

'And to think we very nearly couldn't afford to have a movie done', she said. In hindsight she knows full well which medium encapsulates the day, the light, shadows, laughter, movement and happiness, and it ain't bits of 10 x 8 paper.

tom.

Serge Satkar · September 8th, 2008, 09:45 AM

I always explain very carefully what client can advantage in resulting film having 2 cameras.. So about 15-20% agrees. Sometimes I work with assistant only to have more creative lighting all the way.. And I have unmanned wide-angle camera that is used on imporant moments. This camera can become manned if I work with assistant. Sometimes its footage helps great.. So when I speak about 2 cameras there are actually 3 for most of key points..

Marshall Levy · September 8th, 2008, 08:58 PM

4-cam minimum, usually 5-6, max I've done is nine. This is all by myself with no assistant unless they book more people. No cameras are ever static as I hate static, lifeless shots. I always move them when possible, depending on situation, obviously. Client pays for any cameras over 4.

Tom Hardwick · September 9th, 2008, 12:49 AM

Nine cams, one operator, all moving? Does not compute Marshall. Probably better to pay full attention to one and have the others running a backup and timeline options.

Marshall Levy · September 9th, 2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Hardwick

Nine cams, one operator, all moving? Does not compute Marshall. Probably better to pay full attention to one and have the others running a backup and timeline options.

It's difficult, but not impossible. And I don't make a habit of doing more than 6 in most cases. I actually have an article in EDV about this. And yes, while it's always easier to use one or two, using more is not impossible as some seem to imply.

Uli Mors · September 9th, 2008, 06:36 AM

How do you move up to 9 cams - alone?

I think talking of a "moving camera" means a manned camera ??

Uli

Marshall Levy · September 9th, 2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Uli Mors

How do you move up to 9 cams - alone?

I think talking of a "moving camera" means a manned camera ??

Uli

It depends on the situation, but let's assume a church ceremony. If I did nine cameras, I'll have the manned (my primary cam) at the front for the processional, hand-off, etc. It'll then be moved to the back aisle. There will also be one on each side, left and right, to get the bride/groom during the transition of when I move in the back. I don't typically use balconies and instead have another at the back, about 13' up on a supported light stand with lowered remote. I'll then have two, one of each side corner, focused on parents, g/parents, or whomever else sitting down. If there's an alcove in the back/side of the sanctuary, I'll put one or two there as well to get a different angle. I'll also have another that I mount to the aisle itself to get the back of the dress, any kids in the wedding party, and so forth. Depending on the situation either the primary cam or another will be used for various cutaways.

I always go back and forth to the cameras, when possible and appropriate, to adjust the angles, focal distances, etc. I am not one of those people who run all over the place, either, and move only when I realistically can, such as a transition within the ceremony itself. For instance, if I place a camera on a mounting bracket to focus on the grandparents, but know that I can't get to it, I am not going to try and disrupt anything to adjust; sometimes this happens but it's fine. I'd rather chance a shot with approximating a camera placement than be in the way in some cases.

Most all of my ceremonies are 4-5 cameras, typically 5-6 and the clients pay for anything above an alotted number. I've done 7-8 quite a bit and the most was 9 because that's what the client wanted.

It can certainly be challenging but it's not impossible. I started with two cameras years ago and quickly found it to be boring. One moving camera, one on the balcony on a wideshot - I just hated the look. I then quickly moved to three and then four, and went from there. Also, not every camera is on a tripod, either - I couldn't even imagine hauling nine tripods! I use a lot of brackets, mounts, etc. that work just as well as a tripod and have a much smaller profile.

It typically takes me about 20-30 minutes to setup everything, too. I'm very organized when doing things like this in order to minimize stress and maximize time.

If someone wants to book more than just me, that's always an option; if it's not booked, I only have others help when I feel necessary.

Tom Hardwick · September 9th, 2008, 07:42 AM

Even with two cameras, two tripods, two radio mics and two audio recorders it's still takes a great deal of time dismantling this little lot and getting it to the car for the drive to the reception venue. Time that I should be spending with the b & g outside the church of course.

As I've had the church locked behind me before now, leaving the locked-off cam still recording I feel I have to take the time to dismantle my kit and lose the shots that are happening every second outside the church doors.

tom.

September 4th, 2008, 06:05 PM	#16
Matt Bishop Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: East Moline, IL Posts: 231	correct....I always have a second person with me...most of the time it's my wife and the other times I have assistants that I hire to come help. It's a part time/ freelance job for them and they do have their own normal full time jobs. I usually don't keep them as long as I'm there either....start later and leave earlier. __________________ www.mediainnovations-online.com www.mediainnovationsblog.com

September 4th, 2008, 06:06 PM	#17
Robert Bec Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 358	Anthony 99.9% of my jobs are one camera thats just the way its done here i noticed people in the U.S tend to always use a second shooter. It's your choice if you can charge the second cameraman out fine. Rob

September 5th, 2008, 03:50 AM	#18
Anthony Smith Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 65	The biggest wedding i have done was about 700 guests and they only pay for 1 camera because the couple thought video was not very important but its good to capture something on the day.

September 5th, 2008, 04:18 AM	#19
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	one cam, sometimes (3%) 2nd for ceremony. I can coordinate my work better this way - and offer not too many options sometimes is better too... uli

September 5th, 2008, 03:39 PM	#21
Peter Ralph Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Denver/Vail Colorado Posts: 254	prosumer: pro is the image quality, sumer is the build quality. you turn up at a wedding without a spare camera, gutsy play!

September 7th, 2008, 02:51 AM	#23
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Shot another wedding all day yesterday (in the rain), and realised I'd filmed one of the bridesmaids as a bride over two years ago. I always like to ask how they view their photos and DVD after a couple of years have passed and know what? She said (and her hubby agreed with her) that although the pictures were nice to have, technically excellent and so on, it was the DVD they returned to time after time. 'And to think we very nearly couldn't afford to have a movie done', she said. In hindsight she knows full well which medium encapsulates the day, the light, shadows, laughter, movement and happiness, and it ain't bits of 10 x 8 paper. tom.

September 8th, 2008, 09:45 AM	#24
Serge Satkar Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Moscow Posts: 107	I always explain very carefully what client can advantage in resulting film having 2 cameras.. So about 15-20% agrees. Sometimes I work with assistant only to have more creative lighting all the way.. And I have unmanned wide-angle camera that is used on imporant moments. This camera can become manned if I work with assistant. Sometimes its footage helps great.. So when I speak about 2 cameras there are actually 3 for most of key points..

September 8th, 2008, 08:58 PM	#25
Marshall Levy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 304	4-cam minimum, usually 5-6, max I've done is nine. This is all by myself with no assistant unless they book more people. No cameras are ever static as I hate static, lifeless shots. I always move them when possible, depending on situation, obviously. Client pays for any cameras over 4.

September 9th, 2008, 12:49 AM	#26
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Nine cams, one operator, all moving? Does not compute Marshall. Probably better to pay full attention to one and have the others running a backup and timeline options.

September 9th, 2008, 06:36 AM	#28
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	How do you move up to 9 cams - alone? I think talking of a "moving camera" means a manned camera ?? Uli

September 9th, 2008, 07:42 AM	#30
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Even with two cameras, two tripods, two radio mics and two audio recorders it's still takes a great deal of time dismantling this little lot and getting it to the car for the drive to the reception venue. Time that I should be spending with the b & g outside the church of course. As I've had the church locked behind me before now, leaving the locked-off cam still recording I feel I have to take the time to dismantle my kit and lose the shots that are happening every second outside the church doors. tom.