Best small camera? at DVinfo.net

Jason Magbanua · April 27th, 2008, 12:42 AM

hi all.

i'm looking for a small video camera preferably 3CCD/3CMOS, in the tradition of the trv-900. which would be the best option?

the HV20 seems a crowd favorite but I'm wary of the 1 chip/lowlight performance.

thanks!

Ian Lim · April 27th, 2008, 01:56 AM

Jason, I would say HV20/HV30 is still the best small camcorder, though I havent try others=D

Are you going to use the small cam with a DOF adapter or not? HV20/HV30 itself performs very good in low light condition (eg indoors). It's the CMOS rolling shutter that I'm complaining.

Alastair Brown · April 27th, 2008, 06:12 AM

Hi Jason,

Yes, the lowlight on the HV20 isn't the greatest. I use one along with two XH-A1's. I use it now almost all the time with a DOF adapter. Outdoor shots, great! Indoor shots, not so great. That said, I'm still getting to grips with the HV20/DOF combo and locking off the exposure, so a good bit of it is down to me.

You will see what I mean on this clip.

http://www.vimeo.com/866175

Best I can find of it in lowish light is this and it's only a shortish lower quality clip. It's the shot of the owl bringing the rings in.

http://www.abrown.info/New%20HCW/Paul-David.htm

John Moon · April 27th, 2008, 08:43 AM

JMag:

We are using the new HV 30 and love the performance so far. Great cam to hide.

-John

Raphael Jamil Pranga · April 27th, 2008, 10:12 AM

hahaha! We're planning to get the HV30 actually. Pretty much convinced on what we see with other videographers who are using the cam.

Although we're still doing a little research for other options so i guess this thread will prove helpful also for us. ^_^

Yang Wen · April 27th, 2008, 11:23 AM

I have a HV30 and bought another HV30.. But I'm using it along with my DVX100 so neither is very good in low light! :(

Ethan Cooper · April 27th, 2008, 02:59 PM

Other than the Z7u and the EX1, I don't know if there is any HD camera of any size that is as good in low light as our old DV stuff. Is anyone currently making a 3 chip camera the size of the HV20?

I'd say just pick up a HV30 on the cheap and test it out for yourself. They're pretty popular and should sell well if it doesn't meet your needs. I bought one and was using it mainly as a deck and backup camera before I got a Letus to strap it to.

Renton Maclachlan · April 27th, 2008, 03:28 PM

In this league I confess to hardly feeling like raising my hand - as though I don't even belong...but I'm using Panasonic GS500s and a GS400 and find them great...and I haven't had to fork out an arm and a couple of legs to get them.

For $us3900 I have got three brand new cameras, and one that is to all intents and purposes brand new.

Ian Lim · April 27th, 2008, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethan Cooper

I'd say just pick up a HV30 on the cheap and test it out for yourself. They're pretty popular and should sell well if it doesn't meet your needs.

Well, I'd be very happy to buy from you guys, when you dont need them anymore. At good price, of course =D =D

Ram Purad · April 27th, 2008, 04:21 PM

JMag,

I bought one HV30 just last week. Did couple of shoots with it and pretty impressed with its performance so far. Here is a short clip on my blog which was shot excessively with HV30 (1080 24P):

http://www.butterflysquad.com/?p=39

Hope that helps.

Patrick Moreau · April 27th, 2008, 05:14 PM

Jason,

I know you guys generally get away with using a fair amount of light for your ceremonies and preps. With that being said, if you can figure out any workflow issues with shooting with the HV 20/30 in 24P at 1/24th I think you would be very happy with its performance. You, like I, do a lot of grading, so you can also get quite a bit out of the footage. When Canon used our footage for a commercial and we all sat together and watched a rough draft, nobody in the room believed that a couple of the shots mixed in were from the HV20. I also had the FX1, which I think your still using, and was very unhappy with its lowlight performance, so that says something too.

Patrick

Waldemar Winkler · April 27th, 2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethan Cooper

Is anyone currently making a 3 chip camera the size of the HV20?

I'm using the JVC Everio HD-7. Three 1/5" CCD. And yes, it doesn't win any medals for low light, but it is better than I would have thought. I get more comfortable with it the more i use it. Manual focus ring really feels like a manual focus ring. Manual over rides really work. Focus assist is an excellent feature (press the button, the viewfinder goes monochrome, and anything you focus upon gets outlined in either red, blue, or green. I prefer green). The 60G HD allow for something like 4+ hours of recording 1080i. Takes an external mic. Has hot shoe mount. Gotta make your own headphone monitor, though. No manual audio, but the AGC is surprisingly gentle in attack/release. Overall color is too saturated. Have to reduce saturation in post. It took a while to get the .tod file import figured out.

I understand the HD7 has already been replaced by the HD 6, which had a lot of the really useful features removed.

There is a forum topic dedicated to this camera here at dvinfo.

Yang Wen · April 27th, 2008, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram Purad

JMag,

I bought one HV30 just last week. Did couple of shoots with it and pretty impressed with its performance so far. Here is a short clip on my blog which was shot excessively with HV30 (1080 24P):

http://www.butterflysquad.com/?p=39

Hope that helps.

Hey Ram, nice clip. Which stabilizer did you use with the HV30 for those flying shots?

Jason Magbanua · April 27th, 2008, 08:42 PM

thanks for all your help. considering all suggestions and doing more research. :)

Ram Purad · April 27th, 2008, 09:59 PM

Yang,

The HV30 was on a merlin. I used to have my GL1 on it. That was the first shoot I put on a small camera like HV30 on it. It was a windy day. Had a little hard time in the beginning to balance the camera considering its light weight. But as time goes, I think I got a hang of it.

JMeg,

Are Nokia phones with video cameras also in your list of consideration? ;-)

April 27th, 2008, 12:42 AM	#1
Jason Magbanua Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manila Posts: 317	Best small camera? hi all. i'm looking for a small video camera preferably 3CCD/3CMOS, in the tradition of the trv-900. which would be the best option? the HV20 seems a crowd favorite but I'm wary of the 1 chip/lowlight performance. thanks!

April 27th, 2008, 08:43 AM	#4
John Moon Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 446	JMag: We are using the new HV 30 and love the performance so far. Great cam to hide. -John __________________ John J. Moon www.northernlightfilmworks.com - Event DV Top 25 Recipient

April 27th, 2008, 02:59 PM	#7
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	Other than the Z7u and the EX1, I don't know if there is any HD camera of any size that is as good in low light as our old DV stuff. Is anyone currently making a 3 chip camera the size of the HV20? I'd say just pick up a HV30 on the cheap and test it out for yourself. They're pretty popular and should sell well if it doesn't meet your needs. I bought one and was using it mainly as a deck and backup camera before I got a Letus to strap it to. __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

April 27th, 2008, 04:21 PM	#10
Ram Purad Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 171	HV30 Baby! JMag, I bought one HV30 just last week. Did couple of shoots with it and pretty impressed with its performance so far. Here is a short clip on my blog which was shot excessively with HV30 (1080 24P): http://www.butterflysquad.com/?p=39 Hope that helps. __________________ Ram Purad :: Aspiring Event Filmmaker http://www.butterflysquad.com

April 27th, 2008, 05:14 PM	#11
Patrick Moreau Still Motion Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,186	Jason, I know you guys generally get away with using a fair amount of light for your ceremonies and preps. With that being said, if you can figure out any workflow issues with shooting with the HV 20/30 in 24P at 1/24th I think you would be very happy with its performance. You, like I, do a lot of grading, so you can also get quite a bit out of the footage. When Canon used our footage for a commercial and we all sat together and watched a rough draft, nobody in the room believed that a couple of the shots mixed in were from the HV20. I also had the FX1, which I think your still using, and was very unhappy with its lowlight performance, so that says something too. Patrick __________________ site // www.stillmotion.ca blog // www.stillmotionblog.com edu // www.stillmotionexperience.com

April 27th, 2008, 01:56 AM	#2
Ian Lim Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 178	Jason, I would say HV20/HV30 is still the best small camcorder, though I havent try others=D Are you going to use the small cam with a DOF adapter or not? HV20/HV30 itself performs very good in low light condition (eg indoors). It's the CMOS rolling shutter that I'm complaining.

April 27th, 2008, 06:12 AM	#3
Alastair Brown Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Glasgow/Scotland Posts: 626	Hi Jason, Yes, the lowlight on the HV20 isn't the greatest. I use one along with two XH-A1's. I use it now almost all the time with a DOF adapter. Outdoor shots, great! Indoor shots, not so great. That said, I'm still getting to grips with the HV20/DOF combo and locking off the exposure, so a good bit of it is down to me. You will see what I mean on this clip. http://www.vimeo.com/866175 Best I can find of it in lowish light is this and it's only a shortish lower quality clip. It's the shot of the owl bringing the rings in. http://www.abrown.info/New%20HCW/Paul-David.htm

April 27th, 2008, 10:12 AM	#5
Raphael Jamil Pranga Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Iloilo City, Philippines Posts: 104	hahaha! We're planning to get the HV30 actually. Pretty much convinced on what we see with other videographers who are using the cam. Although we're still doing a little research for other options so i guess this thread will prove helpful also for us. ^_^

April 27th, 2008, 11:23 AM	#6
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	I have a HV30 and bought another HV30.. But I'm using it along with my DVX100 so neither is very good in low light! :(

April 27th, 2008, 03:28 PM	#8
Renton Maclachlan Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,180	In this league I confess to hardly feeling like raising my hand - as though I don't even belong...but I'm using Panasonic GS500s and a GS400 and find them great...and I haven't had to fork out an arm and a couple of legs to get them. For $us3900 I have got three brand new cameras, and one that is to all intents and purposes brand new.

April 27th, 2008, 08:42 PM	#14
Jason Magbanua Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manila Posts: 317	thanks for all your help. considering all suggestions and doing more research. :)

April 27th, 2008, 09:59 PM	#15
Ram Purad Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 171	Yang, The HV30 was on a merlin. I used to have my GL1 on it. That was the first shoot I put on a small camera like HV30 on it. It was a windy day. Had a little hard time in the beginning to balance the camera considering its light weight. But as time goes, I think I got a hang of it. JMeg, Are Nokia phones with video cameras also in your list of consideration? ;-) __________________ Ram Purad :: Aspiring Event Filmmaker http://www.butterflysquad.com