Senior Promo Video for Photographer - $$$???

Travis Cossel · April 15th, 2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Davidson

Well you are Dreambigproductions. Counter with $350.

lol, a bit high, I was thinking I'd counter with $301, and then split the difference if the photog counter-offered.

Rick Steele · April 16th, 2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel

I think I may still get the job sometime down the road when the photog has saved up the money.

Probably not. Any business that can't manage to scrape together $1k "now" to get this done with the senior picture window closing is very small potatoes to begin with.

You basically "tripled" his own estimate and these types will never value video that much. It's like you're dealing with a low-end bride.

Rikki Bruce · April 16th, 2008, 07:31 AM

Really hate hearing/reading about things like this. I have had to deal with it for a while myself in other creative areas.

Everything with video takes about 10 times as long and 10 times the cost.

You would imagine that a creative person would realise himself that quality is not easy to come by and for the amount of people that MUST have said to him "thats a fancy camera you've got there, no wonder your good" he should work that backwards to other media types too and not just think "oh thats a fancy video camera, all you do it point it at things and a DVD comes out the other end"

Yang Wen · April 16th, 2008, 08:23 AM

Is this photographer a small timer? Does he charge industry rates for his work? If he undercharges for his work, it'd be pretty difficult to convince him to accept your fees.

Competent wedding photographers charges at least $300/hr to shoot a 12 hour wedding, of course, you have to also factor in their post production hours on the album.. so use that as a reference point.

$900 is a fair price for what you are asking. $300 is BS.. $300 is what wedding photogs pay their assistance for 1 days of work.

Vito DeFilippo · April 16th, 2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikki Bruce

"oh thats a fancy video camera, all you do it point it at things and a DVD comes out the other end"

What a great quote. You have hit the nail on the head with that one...

Bill Dooling · April 16th, 2008, 09:50 AM

Speaking as a photographer I agree 900.00 is reasonable, cheap even, especially if he is going to be using it as a cornerstone to his advertising an entire sector of his business. I would tell him that 900.00 is the discounted rate because he is a preferred vendor.

Bill

Travis Cossel · April 16th, 2008, 01:43 PM

The photog is definitely not a small timer; one of the best in the area actually, but I think the photog just didn't realize how much work is involved in this kind of stuff. I explained that I was giving a significant discount, so we'll see what happens.

I gotta say I like the comment about the camera producing the DVD, lol. Unfortunately it's also somewhat true. Most people have no idea how time consuming a video production project really is.

Yang Wen · April 16th, 2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel

The photog is definitely not a small timer; one of the best in the area actually, but I think the photog just didn't realize how much work is involved in this kind of stuff. I explained that I was giving a significant discount, so we'll see what happens.

Just to be fair, us videographers don't give enough credit to photographers either. We just think it's compose n' snap, but when you're dealing with human subjects, it takes a lot of skills when it comes to posing and subject interaction. Although, if you have those skills naturally, then it definitely becomes an easy thing for you to do. That is something I've learned when I stepped into the photo world.

Travis Cossel · April 16th, 2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Yang Wen

Just to be fair, us videographers don't give enough credit to photographers either. We just think it's compose n' snap, but when you're dealing with human subjects, it takes a lot of skills when it comes to posing and subject interaction. Although, if you have those skills naturally, then it definitely becomes an easy thing for you to do. That is something I've learned when I stepped into the photo world.

I would agree with you. The trouble for photographers is that we have all taken pictures, so there is this tendency to think that there isn't much to it. But a true professional photographer has an extensive skill set that the average shutter-bug doesn't.

The trouble for videographers is that most people HAVE NOT shot and edited their own video, so they have no clue what kind of time is involved ... not to mention the skill sets required.

Peter Chung · April 16th, 2008, 05:39 PM

I, too, was going to say that $900 is a pretty low estimate.

Maybe you should have quoted him $3,000 and then he would have wanted it for $1,000. You'd then have an extra $100 to have a nice dinner to reward yourself ;)

All kidding aside, what I am finding more and more is that no matter what price you give them, they'll be shocked at how high it is, especially since video is sort of a luxury item. It's not as much of a "must have" as photography is. If your prices are fair and of good quality, your clients will see the value of the service you're providing for them and will go ahead with you. If not, either your quality of work isn't up to par (they don't see the value) or they weren't really that serious about it in the first place and were just fishing for a deal ($300 is a REALLY GOOD DEAL! ;)

Be fair but FIRM. We're not looking to make a killing, we just want fair compensation for our skill and time.

Ger Griffin · April 16th, 2008, 06:36 PM

The worst is when you find yourself agreeing to do a job for a price that you know is ridiculous. Taken on board with the notion of it leading to more similar type jobs in the future. Thinking it will make a great sample.
The more work I find myself putting into these jobs the more frustrated I become.
Meanwhile the client is laughing at the extra bucks he has in his pocket.
I've decided no more of that crap for me.
Either they agree to my quotation, no haggling, or they go elsewhere (put nicely).

Allen Plowman · April 16th, 2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ger Griffin

The worst is when you find yourself agreeing to do a job for a price that you know is ridiculous. Taken on board with the notion of it leading to more similar type jobs in the future. Thinking it will make a great sample.
The more work I find myself putting into these jobs the more frustrated I become.
Meanwhile the client is laughing at the extra bucks he has in his pocket.
I've decided no more of that crap for me.
Either they agree to my quotation, no haggling, or they go elsewhere (put nicely).

If I were doing this for a discounted rate in hopes of more business, I would include that in the contract, for instance, have the videographers name show up in the video ad

April 16th, 2008, 01:43 PM	#22
Travis Cossel Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,933	The photog is definitely not a small timer; one of the best in the area actually, but I think the photog just didn't realize how much work is involved in this kind of stuff. I explained that I was giving a significant discount, so we'll see what happens. I gotta say I like the comment about the camera producing the DVD, lol. Unfortunately it's also somewhat true. Most people have no idea how time consuming a video production project really is. __________________ Black Label Films www.blacklabelweddingfilms.com

April 16th, 2008, 07:31 AM	#18
Rikki Bruce Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Glasgow. Scotland Posts: 79	Really hate hearing/reading about things like this. I have had to deal with it for a while myself in other creative areas. Everything with video takes about 10 times as long and 10 times the cost. You would imagine that a creative person would realise himself that quality is not easy to come by and for the amount of people that MUST have said to him "thats a fancy camera you've got there, no wonder your good" he should work that backwards to other media types too and not just think "oh thats a fancy video camera, all you do it point it at things and a DVD comes out the other end"

April 16th, 2008, 08:23 AM	#19
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	Is this photographer a small timer? Does he charge industry rates for his work? If he undercharges for his work, it'd be pretty difficult to convince him to accept your fees. Competent wedding photographers charges at least $300/hr to shoot a 12 hour wedding, of course, you have to also factor in their post production hours on the album.. so use that as a reference point. $900 is a fair price for what you are asking. $300 is BS.. $300 is what wedding photogs pay their assistance for 1 days of work.

April 16th, 2008, 09:50 AM	#21
Bill Dooling Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 29	Speaking as a photographer I agree 900.00 is reasonable, cheap even, especially if he is going to be using it as a cornerstone to his advertising an entire sector of his business. I would tell him that 900.00 is the discounted rate because he is a preferred vendor. Bill

April 16th, 2008, 05:39 PM	#25
Peter Chung Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 220	I, too, was going to say that $900 is a pretty low estimate. Maybe you should have quoted him $3,000 and then he would have wanted it for $1,000. You'd then have an extra $100 to have a nice dinner to reward yourself ;) All kidding aside, what I am finding more and more is that no matter what price you give them, they'll be shocked at how high it is, especially since video is sort of a luxury item. It's not as much of a "must have" as photography is. If your prices are fair and of good quality, your clients will see the value of the service you're providing for them and will go ahead with you. If not, either your quality of work isn't up to par (they don't see the value) or they weren't really that serious about it in the first place and were just fishing for a deal ($300 is a REALLY GOOD DEAL! ;) Be fair but FIRM. We're not looking to make a killing, we just want fair compensation for our skill and time.

April 16th, 2008, 06:36 PM	#26
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	The worst is when you find yourself agreeing to do a job for a price that you know is ridiculous. Taken on board with the notion of it leading to more similar type jobs in the future. Thinking it will make a great sample. The more work I find myself putting into these jobs the more frustrated I become. Meanwhile the client is laughing at the extra bucks he has in his pocket. I've decided no more of that crap for me. Either they agree to my quotation, no haggling, or they go elsewhere (put nicely).