Groom prep video at DVinfo.net

Vito DeFilippo · April 14th, 2008, 10:48 PM

Hey all,

It's hard to concentrate with all the NAB releases, but I haven't posted a clip in a while, so I thought I should.

This is a groom prep:

http://www.nosmallroles.com/richard.mov

Fun guy, great bunch. I had a lot of fun with them. Shot with my Z1, edited on Xpress Pro. I wasn't sure about their music choice, but I ended up liking it. Smoooooth.

Always happy to have comments.

Cheers,
Vito

Andre Tira · April 15th, 2008, 06:33 AM

I liked it overall, here are some stuff that stood out to me:

1. That first audio clip about the "crotch"...kinda inappropriate.

2. I usually don't like photogs being in the video, but I liked how you incorporated them in this vid, well done.

3. You should omit the clip where you are filming your own shadow and also the last scene with the car alarm. To me, it does not relate to the video at all.

Vito DeFilippo · April 15th, 2008, 07:02 AM

Hey Andre,

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Originally Posted by Andre Tira

1. That first audio clip about the "crotch"...kinda inappropriate.

To each his own. I wouldn't include this kind of thing for everyone, but it sure fits this guy's sense of humour. He may ask me to remove it, but I doubt it.

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2. I usually don't like photogs being in the video, but I liked how you incorporated them in this vid, well done.

Thanks! 90% of the time, we are all on the same team, so I include shots pretty often of the photographers. I think in the USA this is not done much? I never see the photographers in clips that are posted here from the US.

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3. You should omit the clip where you are filming your own shadow

Okay, okay, you're right...

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and also the last scene with the car alarm.

It's out of context at the moment, because I haven't decided how to lead in to the next section.

Thanks for taking the time to check it out, and for the feedback. Much appreciated...

Rick Steele · April 15th, 2008, 07:30 AM

I loved it Vito.

We all do these things by the seat of our pants and are at the mercy of how the talent will "perform". These guys were a hoot.

And the "crotch" sound bite is just fine. It fits the tempo of the tune as does all the other horseplay in the vid. This is what groom prep is usually about and I think you nailed it.

Not sure where the shadow thing fits though. :)

Vito DeFilippo · April 15th, 2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Steele

I loved it Vito.

Thanks, Rick!

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Not sure where the shadow thing fits though. :)

Okay, okay, you're right!

Hehe... ;-)

Travis Cossel · April 15th, 2008, 02:29 PM

That seemed like a really low-key, fun-lovin' group to work with. I think the "crotch clip" and the "peepee boy clip" were probably appropriate with that group. I wouldn't normally go for the editing style you chose, but again, it works for that group and for the music you used.

I agree with cutting the shot of your shadow, but it didn't kill the video for me or anything.

Honestly my only real gripe would be that the color and saturation from one shot to the next needs some work. Some scenes seem white balanced and other don't, and overall the contrast and saturation seems a little lacking.

But that's it really. I think you did a good job with the video.

Vito DeFilippo · April 15th, 2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel

Some scenes seem white balanced and other don't, and overall the contrast and saturation seems a little lacking.

Thanks, Travis. I'll go back and punch it up a bit. The shadow shot is already gone...

Appreciate the feedback. Just helps me make it better.

Travis Cossel · April 15th, 2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vito DeFilippo

Thanks, Travis. I'll go back and punch it up a bit. The shadow shot is already gone...

Appreciate the feedback. Just helps me make it better.

No problem. That's why we post stuff on here, right? Good luck!

Bill Busby · April 15th, 2008, 04:19 PM

Vito, I noticed you used quite a bit of Avid's "push" (L to R, and/or R to L) transitions... (I do as well for upbeat stuff, but more sparingly). I just give it something a bit different by giving it a motion blur (well faking it actually) to simulate a swish/whip pan &/or give it a bit more realism.

Ex: On V1 I apply the Push transition (left to right) 15 frames, ending at cut, with full acceleration applied in the Effect Editor. I usually always have it end at cut because I want it to end on a given beat for emphasis. Now, de-activate V1 & activate V2.

With only V2 active I apply 2 add edits to make a filler, one at the point where the edit is between the 2 clips, & one for the given push transition (in this case where the transition starts, for a 15 frame duration).

Simply add a directional blur effect to the 15 frame filler you just made & change the default to zero. Make a keyframe in the center & make it only active, then in the Effect Editor tweak it until you get the blur value you want.

For the above example I use either BCC's Directional Blur or even the old freebie DFT (Digital Film Tools) Fast Blur with only the X parameter tweaked & the Y parameter zero'd.

Sometimes it might work better if the Push is in reverse, then just activate "reverse animation" in the Effect Editor.

Once you do this a few times you can just use keystrokes. With the transition in the Quick Transitions bin (you know about that tip, right?) and other keystrokes involved, I can do this in a matter of a seconds.

Hope this makes sense :D If not, let me know

Vito DeFilippo · April 15th, 2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Busby

Vito, I noticed you used quite a bit of Avid's "push" (L to R, and/or R to L) transitions... (I do as well for upbeat stuff, but more sparingly)

Yeah, the music really dictated the use of that this time, though I've used those pushes in other upbeat videos. It's funny, I find these generic pushes and wipes, etc look really cheesy unless they are no more than 10 or so frames long, but when they are short, I like them a lot.

I just tried your suggestion. Looks great. I'm just lazy... I've always had too little patience for adding effects. I love to cut, but despise building effects. It's a dislike I have to overcome, though.

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Once you do this a few times you can just use keystrokes. With the transition in the Quick Transitions bin (you know about that tip, right?) and other keystrokes involved,

Absolutely, the Quick Transitions tip is great. I have all kinds of favourites in there. I can see how you would use just keystrokes for selecting the track and placing the add edits and transition, but I guess you have to drag the blur on each time? I mean, I've saved the tweaked blur effect to a bin, but have to drag it on each transition. Or am I missing a trick?

I wish more effects would act as transitions as well, like PIP does.

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Hope this makes sense :D If not, let me know

Makes great sense, very clear. Thanks for letting me know about it!

Jason Robinson · April 15th, 2008, 07:23 PM

Travis already beat me to it, but I was wondering about the color & black levels (is there a broadcast filter on there?). A broadcast filtered clip played back on a computer will seem to not be as dark as it could be because of NTSC color space limitations so may be that was it. The only reason I noticed this is because I just spent two weeks working on a wedding with absolutely horrible lighting problems (imagine shooting in a yellow colored wood lined room with lots of yellow bulbs in the fixtures, but with open windows for direct & harsh sun streaming in). That room was the bridal prep and gave me absolute fits trying to CC. The XL1 was completely confused (as was I shooting with it).

Vito DeFilippo · April 15th, 2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Robinson

is there a broadcast filter on there?

No broadcast filter on it per se, but the colour corrector in Avid limits to legal values if you click on auto colour correct - and this is usually where I start. I click auto to get somewhere in the neighbourhood, then tweak.

I have a mild bleach bypass filter over the whole thing, which is more likely the culprit...

Bill Busby · April 15th, 2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vito DeFilippo

Absolutely, the Quick Transitions tip is great. I have all kinds of favourites in there. I can see how you would use just keystrokes for selecting the track and placing the add edits and transition, but I guess you have to drag the blur on each time? I mean, I've saved the tweaked blur effect to a bin, but have to drag it on each transition. Or am I missing a trick?

It depends... most times I just use the segment mode "lift/overwrite" on the filler then double click the filter in the bin, or simply drag it. I think I save 117 milliseconds with the former :)

Vito DeFilippo · April 16th, 2008, 08:47 AM

Hey Bill,

I was messing around with your blur transition and came up with a nice way to add the blur over the transition.

If you add the blur on V2 as you describe, then solo that track, you can copy it and load it into the Clipboard Monitor. Then move along your timeline pasting the blur over all your transitions where desired.

This way you don't have to do the add edits.

Cheers and thanks again,
Vito

Bill Busby · April 16th, 2008, 01:55 PM

Oh yea, I'd forgotten about that possibility. Thanks

It's one of the many things I've always liked about Avid... there's usually several ways to do the same thing.

But I have always wished there was a way to save, for example, nested filters as a "custom effect" to a bin.

April 14th, 2008, 10:48 PM	#1
Vito DeFilippo Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 1,585	Groom prep video Hey all, It's hard to concentrate with all the NAB releases, but I haven't posted a clip in a while, so I thought I should. This is a groom prep: http://www.nosmallroles.com/richard.mov Fun guy, great bunch. I had a lot of fun with them. Shot with my Z1, edited on Xpress Pro. I wasn't sure about their music choice, but I ended up liking it. Smoooooth. Always happy to have comments. Cheers, Vito __________________ . http://www.nosmallroles.com

April 15th, 2008, 02:29 PM	#6
Travis Cossel Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,933	That seemed like a really low-key, fun-lovin' group to work with. I think the "crotch clip" and the "peepee boy clip" were probably appropriate with that group. I wouldn't normally go for the editing style you chose, but again, it works for that group and for the music you used. I agree with cutting the shot of your shadow, but it didn't kill the video for me or anything. Honestly my only real gripe would be that the color and saturation from one shot to the next needs some work. Some scenes seem white balanced and other don't, and overall the contrast and saturation seems a little lacking. But that's it really. I think you did a good job with the video. __________________ Black Label Films www.blacklabelweddingfilms.com

April 15th, 2008, 07:23 PM	#11
Jason Robinson Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 1,997	Color & punch Travis already beat me to it, but I was wondering about the color & black levels (is there a broadcast filter on there?). A broadcast filtered clip played back on a computer will seem to not be as dark as it could be because of NTSC color space limitations so may be that was it. The only reason I noticed this is because I just spent two weeks working on a wedding with absolutely horrible lighting problems (imagine shooting in a yellow colored wood lined room with lots of yellow bulbs in the fixtures, but with open windows for direct & harsh sun streaming in). That room was the bridal prep and gave me absolute fits trying to CC. The XL1 was completely confused (as was I shooting with it).

April 16th, 2008, 08:47 AM	#14
Vito DeFilippo Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 1,585	Hey Bill, I was messing around with your blur transition and came up with a nice way to add the blur over the transition. If you add the blur on V2 as you describe, then solo that track, you can copy it and load it into the Clipboard Monitor. Then move along your timeline pasting the blur over all your transitions where desired. This way you don't have to do the add edits. Cheers and thanks again, Vito __________________ . http://www.nosmallroles.com

April 15th, 2008, 06:33 AM	#2
Andre Tira Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 83	I liked it overall, here are some stuff that stood out to me: 1. That first audio clip about the "crotch"...kinda inappropriate. 2. I usually don't like photogs being in the video, but I liked how you incorporated them in this vid, well done. 3. You should omit the clip where you are filming your own shadow and also the last scene with the car alarm. To me, it does not relate to the video at all.

April 15th, 2008, 07:30 AM	#4
Rick Steele Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Denver, Colorado USA Posts: 654	I loved it Vito. We all do these things by the seat of our pants and are at the mercy of how the talent will "perform". These guys were a hoot. And the "crotch" sound bite is just fine. It fits the tempo of the tune as does all the other horseplay in the vid. This is what groom prep is usually about and I think you nailed it. Not sure where the shadow thing fits though. :)

April 15th, 2008, 04:19 PM	#9
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	Vito, I noticed you used quite a bit of Avid's "push" (L to R, and/or R to L) transitions... (I do as well for upbeat stuff, but more sparingly). I just give it something a bit different by giving it a motion blur (well faking it actually) to simulate a swish/whip pan &/or give it a bit more realism. Ex: On V1 I apply the Push transition (left to right) 15 frames, ending at cut, with full acceleration applied in the Effect Editor. I usually always have it end at cut because I want it to end on a given beat for emphasis. Now, de-activate V1 & activate V2. With only V2 active I apply 2 add edits to make a filler, one at the point where the edit is between the 2 clips, & one for the given push transition (in this case where the transition starts, for a 15 frame duration). Simply add a directional blur effect to the 15 frame filler you just made & change the default to zero. Make a keyframe in the center & make it only active, then in the Effect Editor tweak it until you get the blur value you want. For the above example I use either BCC's Directional Blur or even the old freebie DFT (Digital Film Tools) Fast Blur with only the X parameter tweaked & the Y parameter zero'd. Sometimes it might work better if the Push is in reverse, then just activate "reverse animation" in the Effect Editor. Once you do this a few times you can just use keystrokes. With the transition in the Quick Transitions bin (you know about that tip, right?) and other keystrokes involved, I can do this in a matter of a seconds. Hope this makes sense :D If not, let me know

April 16th, 2008, 01:55 PM	#15
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	Oh yea, I'd forgotten about that possibility. Thanks It's one of the many things I've always liked about Avid... there's usually several ways to do the same thing. But I have always wished there was a way to save, for example, nested filters as a "custom effect" to a bin.