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Denny Kyser · January 10th, 2008, 08:59 AM

Is this the standard for wedding videography The only one I did I used 60i but seems that I read where 24f gave a much better feel.

Peter Jefferson · January 10th, 2008, 10:24 AM

There is no "standard" anything... not in wedding services or video production. There is no regulatory body and there is no standard of quality that anyone must adhere to.

Anyone can do pretty much anything they like.

Chris Harris · January 10th, 2008, 04:13 PM

It's completely up to you and what kind of look you're going for, there is no "standard". It's a creative decision.

In fact, I'm willing to bet that 24F/24P weddings are a VAST minority.

Denny Kyser · January 10th, 2008, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Harris

It's completely up to you and what kind of look you're going for, there is no "standard". It's a creative decision.

In fact, I'm willing to bet that 24F/24P weddings are a VAST minority.

Thanks for the reply, I personally dont flip over the 24f, but its one of those things that if everyone else likes it, its what you need to do. I have learned not to fall in love with my work, rather love my work that everyone buys.

Chris Harris · January 10th, 2008, 07:02 PM

Well, it certainly does seem to impress a lot of people, probably because you don't see it on Uncle Bob's handicam footage.

Me, I love 24p, and I use it on everything I film. Even family home videos look great.

Victor Kellar · January 10th, 2008, 09:36 PM

I personally like the look of 24p ... but I also anything that is properly lighted, well composed, with sensible and sure camera movement etc

As a freelance editor in a large market I do in excess of 60 wedds a year ... maybe I am seeing one or two 24p jobs. I know they are out there, maybe the cameramen save them for themselves

If you want to shoot 24p it has its advantages but I don't know if it gives you a competetive edge ... what are other studios in your market doing? In the long run, put out a good quality product at a fair price, that is what people are looking for

Jason Magbanua · January 10th, 2008, 11:20 PM

The faux-24p the FX1 has (cineframe) is good enough for me. We tape everything with this mode on as well as tweaks on the picture profiles.

I do get Panny-envy everytime I see gorgeous footage from the HVX.

Travis Cossel · January 11th, 2008, 01:06 AM

I use 24F on the Canon GL2 for all of my weddings. I've always done it that way and I like the look it gives. You do tend to get some blur if you pan the camera quickly across a detailed background (like people).

Denny Kyser · January 11th, 2008, 01:34 AM

Does anyone use 30f?

Maybe those who shot 60i and 30f are just not posting.

Jared Meyer · January 11th, 2008, 03:25 AM

I shoot all of my weddings in 30p. More "cinematic" than 60i but better in low light than 24p - and allows faster pans.

Mike Oveson · January 11th, 2008, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Cossel

I use 24F on the Canon GL2 for all of my weddings. I've always done it that way and I like the look it gives. You do tend to get some blur if you pan the camera quickly across a detailed background (like people).

I'm sorry to burst your bubble Travis, but there is no 24F on the GL2. There is a 30F type mode, which Canon calls "Frame Movie Mode" but it is a 30 fps framerate, not 24. It does give more of a progressive look to your footage, and I'll agree that it looks better than 60i, but I just wanted to give you the correct specs. Maybe you just mistyped it.

I shoot in either 30P or 24P, depending on the shots. If I am doing a LOT of motion that I know I'll be slowing down I'll shoot in 30P so I have more frames to work with. I still get that progressive look that sets it apart from interlaced footage, but I have more frames to work with. I shoot with a DVX100A and I've loved it. I want to move up to an HVX when the time comes for that. Right now the Utah market is not even requesting HD, so there's no need to move to it yet.

Personally, I think it's your choice. I have seen INCREDIBLE footage that was shot in 60i. I'd say the majority of videographers do shoot in 60i. It's more about getting quality footage than how it is captured. There certainly is a difference in the look and feel between the different types of media, but ultimately it's about getting a good shot.

Denny Kyser · January 11th, 2008, 12:13 PM

Hopfully this is not a stupid question but with me not being experienced in noticing much difference in 24f vs 30f video I am not sure.

Can you shoot say the wedding in 24f and the reception in 30f as long as the edit is at a break in the action.

Do you ever shoot different frame rates with each camera, or would this be a nightmare and noticeable when editing?

Travis Cossel · January 11th, 2008, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Oveson

I'm sorry to burst your bubble Travis, but there is no 24F on the GL2. There is a 30F type mode, which Canon calls "Frame Movie Mode" but it is a 30 fps framerate, not 24. It does give more of a progressive look to your footage, and I'll agree that it looks better than 60i, but I just wanted to give you the correct specs. Maybe you just mistyped it.

I did mistype, lol. Thanks.

January 10th, 2008, 08:59 AM	#1
Denny Kyser Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Pa Posts: 785	24f for weddings? Is this the standard for wedding videography The only one I did I used 60i but seems that I read where 24f gave a much better feel. __________________ 2 Canon XF305's Kyser Photography www.kyserphoto.com

January 11th, 2008, 01:06 AM	#8
Travis Cossel Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,933	I use 24F on the Canon GL2 for all of my weddings. I've always done it that way and I like the look it gives. You do tend to get some blur if you pan the camera quickly across a detailed background (like people). __________________ Black Label Films www.blacklabelweddingfilms.com

January 11th, 2008, 01:34 AM	#9
Denny Kyser Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Pa Posts: 785	Does anyone use 30f? Maybe those who shot 60i and 30f are just not posting. __________________ 2 Canon XF305's Kyser Photography www.kyserphoto.com

January 11th, 2008, 12:13 PM	#12
Denny Kyser Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Pa Posts: 785	Hopfully this is not a stupid question but with me not being experienced in noticing much difference in 24f vs 30f video I am not sure. Can you shoot say the wedding in 24f and the reception in 30f as long as the edit is at a break in the action. Do you ever shoot different frame rates with each camera, or would this be a nightmare and noticeable when editing? __________________ 2 Canon XF305's Kyser Photography www.kyserphoto.com

January 10th, 2008, 10:24 AM	#2
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	There is no "standard" anything... not in wedding services or video production. There is no regulatory body and there is no standard of quality that anyone must adhere to. Anyone can do pretty much anything they like.

January 10th, 2008, 04:13 PM	#3
Chris Harris Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 487	It's completely up to you and what kind of look you're going for, there is no "standard". It's a creative decision. In fact, I'm willing to bet that 24F/24P weddings are a VAST minority.

January 10th, 2008, 07:02 PM	#5
Chris Harris Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 487	Well, it certainly does seem to impress a lot of people, probably because you don't see it on Uncle Bob's handicam footage. Me, I love 24p, and I use it on everything I film. Even family home videos look great.

January 10th, 2008, 09:36 PM	#6
Victor Kellar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 239	I personally like the look of 24p ... but I also anything that is properly lighted, well composed, with sensible and sure camera movement etc As a freelance editor in a large market I do in excess of 60 wedds a year ... maybe I am seeing one or two 24p jobs. I know they are out there, maybe the cameramen save them for themselves If you want to shoot 24p it has its advantages but I don't know if it gives you a competetive edge ... what are other studios in your market doing? In the long run, put out a good quality product at a fair price, that is what people are looking for

January 10th, 2008, 11:20 PM	#7
Jason Magbanua Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manila Posts: 317	The faux-24p the FX1 has (cineframe) is good enough for me. We tape everything with this mode on as well as tweaks on the picture profiles. I do get Panny-envy everytime I see gorgeous footage from the HVX.

January 11th, 2008, 03:25 AM	#10
Jared Meyer New Boot Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Napa, CA Posts: 9	I shoot all of my weddings in 30p. More "cinematic" than 60i but better in low light than 24p - and allows faster pans.