I propose that we standardize some terms at DVinfo.net

Ethan Cooper · January 4th, 2008, 10:53 AM

... but I've seen one too many "trash the dress videos" just turn out to be bridal portrait sessions, or couple portrait sessions.
I propose that we standardize some terms. It can't be called "trash the dress" unless the brides gown is sullied, ripped, doused, or lit afire. Otherwise, it falls in the Bridal Portrait category.
I'm not ripping on anyone here because I put out what we labled a TTD video that wasn't trashy at all and it bothered me greatly. I've been having this same discussion with myself for a couple months now. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there.

Matt Bishop · January 4th, 2008, 11:29 AM

Ethan,
My wife and I have been discussing this exact same thing especially since we just finished the video. It really isn't trashing the dress and unfortunately that is giving a lot of brides the wrong idea as to what this type of shoot is....and thus, turning them away. Our current shoot in the snow did some good work on her dress and she would have never done that before the wedding, but it is something that can easily be cleaned because it was not trashed. We will be doing a shoot in the spring with a girl who is an artist painting in her dress. She will definitely be trashing the dress because you won't be able to get oils and paints out of a white dress.

I would love to hear ideas on what we as an industry should name these type of shoots. We threw out ideas along the lines of bridal fashion shoot. We want to shoot with the concept of this being a high fashion shoot. A very beautiful bride in a very contrasting location, so something along those lines might be where we are personally headed for future advertising.

Please share ideas!

Matt

Yang Wen · January 4th, 2008, 12:59 PM

I hate the term "trash the dress"

I think it was a west coast beach type of thing originally? Now everyone is jumpin' on the bandwagon?

In fact, I saw one behind the scene video where the photographer kept talking into the camera "This is my behind the scene video of a 'Trash the Dress' session." Arrghh.. nearly killed myself.

Ray Johnston · January 4th, 2008, 12:59 PM

Ethan's comment about the dress being "lit afire" really cracked me up. Almost made a mess of my lunch that I'm eating. I hope no one actually tries this while wearing it!!

But, I tend to agree with Ethan's assessment.

BTW, I enjoyed Matt's video (different thread), but I wouldn't characterize it as a TTD video (inline with Ethan's opinion). Now if you could've mixed fire with snow....?

Thanks for the ideas!

Ray

Dennis Murphy · January 4th, 2008, 02:04 PM

After 12 years of marriage I wanted to do a 'trash the bride' video.

Oh well.

Ethan Cooper · January 4th, 2008, 02:24 PM

Denis,
As a guy who's been married 2.5 years I just gotta say thanks for painting a happy picture of long term marriages. I'm looking forward to the future even more.

Ethan Cooper · January 4th, 2008, 02:30 PM

Yang,
If you don't like the term "trash the dress" what do you propose? I say we leave it alone and just focus on other terminology for now.

Like the Music Video, Recap, Reprise, Highlight... which is it? I prefer the term "reprise" cause it just sounds snazzier. Whatever term we standardize on, I say it refer to only a song length piece that seeks to encompass the entire day's events from beginning to end. It can be edited sequentially or out of order, doesn't matter, but it must fit into the time of one song.

I really should be doing other things today than this.

Ethan Cooper · January 4th, 2008, 02:33 PM

and while were at it, can we standardize prices? Say, nobody turns on a camera for under $1,000. I'm sure this is price fixing or some other illegal practice, but it would be nice to cut out the low ballers. It would be for the benefit of all.

Yang Wen · January 4th, 2008, 02:37 PM

I'd call it a "freestyle session".

Sort of like freestyle walking.

Ethan Cooper · January 4th, 2008, 02:53 PM

freestyle? what is this the X-games?

Yang Wen · January 4th, 2008, 02:58 PM

It could if you want it to be.

John Moon · January 4th, 2008, 03:16 PM

We know a photog that calls these types of sessions, "Safari Sessions"

Jessica Gourdine · January 4th, 2008, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy

After 12 years of marriage I wanted to do a 'trash the bride' video.

Oh well.

As a single woman, that was both funny and a lil scary to think about as far as the future is concerned.

Don Bloom · January 4th, 2008, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy

After 12 years of marriage I wanted to do a 'trash the bride' video.

Oh well.

I had to laugh at that. Sorry. After almost 39 years of marriage (to the same woman) I keep telling her I'd already be out of jail ;-O
Of course she tells me that she'd be wealthy beyond imagination so I guess it all evens out!

OO
\_/
Don

January 4th, 2008, 10:53 AM	#1
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	I propose that we standardize some terms ... but I've seen one too many "trash the dress videos" just turn out to be bridal portrait sessions, or couple portrait sessions. I propose that we standardize some terms. It can't be called "trash the dress" unless the brides gown is sullied, ripped, doused, or lit afire. Otherwise, it falls in the Bridal Portrait category. I'm not ripping on anyone here because I put out what we labled a TTD video that wasn't trashy at all and it bothered me greatly. I've been having this same discussion with myself for a couple months now. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there. __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

January 4th, 2008, 02:24 PM	#6
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	Denis, As a guy who's been married 2.5 years I just gotta say thanks for painting a happy picture of long term marriages. I'm looking forward to the future even more. __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

January 4th, 2008, 02:30 PM	#7
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	Yang, If you don't like the term "trash the dress" what do you propose? I say we leave it alone and just focus on other terminology for now. Like the Music Video, Recap, Reprise, Highlight... which is it? I prefer the term "reprise" cause it just sounds snazzier. Whatever term we standardize on, I say it refer to only a song length piece that seeks to encompass the entire day's events from beginning to end. It can be edited sequentially or out of order, doesn't matter, but it must fit into the time of one song. I really should be doing other things today than this. __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

January 4th, 2008, 02:33 PM	#8
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	and while were at it, can we standardize prices? Say, nobody turns on a camera for under $1,000. I'm sure this is price fixing or some other illegal practice, but it would be nice to cut out the low ballers. It would be for the benefit of all. __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

January 4th, 2008, 02:53 PM	#10
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	freestyle? what is this the X-games? __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

January 4th, 2008, 11:29 AM	#2
Matt Bishop Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: East Moline, IL Posts: 231	Ethan, My wife and I have been discussing this exact same thing especially since we just finished the video. It really isn't trashing the dress and unfortunately that is giving a lot of brides the wrong idea as to what this type of shoot is....and thus, turning them away. Our current shoot in the snow did some good work on her dress and she would have never done that before the wedding, but it is something that can easily be cleaned because it was not trashed. We will be doing a shoot in the spring with a girl who is an artist painting in her dress. She will definitely be trashing the dress because you won't be able to get oils and paints out of a white dress. I would love to hear ideas on what we as an industry should name these type of shoots. We threw out ideas along the lines of bridal fashion shoot. We want to shoot with the concept of this being a high fashion shoot. A very beautiful bride in a very contrasting location, so something along those lines might be where we are personally headed for future advertising. Please share ideas! Matt

January 4th, 2008, 12:59 PM	#3
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	I hate the term "trash the dress" I think it was a west coast beach type of thing originally? Now everyone is jumpin' on the bandwagon? In fact, I saw one behind the scene video where the photographer kept talking into the camera "This is my behind the scene video of a 'Trash the Dress' session." Arrghh.. nearly killed myself.

January 4th, 2008, 12:59 PM	#4
Ray Johnston New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 23	Ethan's comment about the dress being "lit afire" really cracked me up. Almost made a mess of my lunch that I'm eating. I hope no one actually tries this while wearing it!! But, I tend to agree with Ethan's assessment. BTW, I enjoyed Matt's video (different thread), but I wouldn't characterize it as a TTD video (inline with Ethan's opinion). Now if you could've mixed fire with snow....? Thanks for the ideas! Ray

January 4th, 2008, 02:04 PM	#5
Dennis Murphy Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Whangarei, New Zealand Posts: 396	After 12 years of marriage I wanted to do a 'trash the bride' video. Oh well.

January 4th, 2008, 02:37 PM	#9
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	I'd call it a "freestyle session". Sort of like freestyle walking.

January 4th, 2008, 02:58 PM	#11
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	It could if you want it to be.

January 4th, 2008, 03:16 PM	#12
John Moon Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 446	We know a photog that calls these types of sessions, "Safari Sessions" __________________ John J. Moon www.northernlightfilmworks.com - Event DV Top 25 Recipient