Monitors to use with the XL H1 at DVinfo.net

Benjamin Richardson · March 6th, 2007, 11:57 AM

I've noticed that there are many people using marshal monitors with their camera for HD monitoring, i was wondering though, would this be a good monitor? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=400388&is=REG

the reason i ask is it seems ot have a higher resolution, and lower cost...

Will Griffith · March 6th, 2007, 12:15 PM

that is a SD display even though it has roughly the same resolution as a Marshall HDSDI model.

Kevin Martorana · March 6th, 2007, 10:17 PM

We had a Marshall HD monitor and were VERY displeased with it. Frankly...we returned it.

We looked hard and long for a good portable HD monitor.

We ended up buying the Panasonic BT-LH900A. Great monitor for HD...with scope included. Does HD, component, composite.

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...odel=BT-LH900A

Stefan Scherperel · March 6th, 2007, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benjamin Richardson

I've noticed that there are many people using marshal monitors with their camera for HD monitoring, i was wondering though, would this be a good monitor? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=400388&is=REG

the reason i ask is it seems ot have a higher resolution, and lower cost...

That monitor does not have the same resolution as the Marshal HDSDI model, if you look closely that varizoom has about half SD resolution.
I have the Marshal HD with component inputs and have been very happy with it. Granted it is ED resolution but for its size it is quite sharp and very easy for me to get sharp focus even when using a 35mm adapter. But then maybe that's just me.

Steven Fokkinga · March 7th, 2007, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Martorana

We had a Marshall HD monitor and were VERY displeased with it. Frankly...we returned it.

We looked hard and long for a good portable HD monitor.

We ended up buying the Panasonic BT-LH900A. Great monitor for HD...with scope included. Does HD, component, composite.

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...odel=BT-LH900A

Really nice. Also $5k :)

Benjamin Richardson · March 7th, 2007, 11:58 AM

it may have half SD in vertical resolution but in horizontal it states 1440.

The panny does look like a nice monitor, but its in 4x3 aspect ratio.

Will Griffith · March 7th, 2007, 12:04 PM

the only real drawback of the HDSDI Marshall is contrast ratio when doing outside shots. you will need a hood for it. other than that I love it and it is
less than half the price of the Panasonic...although it does not have scopes, etc.

We use the XL series AB brick adapter for the H1 and power the Marshall using a AB powertap to xlr power adapter (there is a nifty little powertap outlet on the top of the AB adapter).

I'm still confused why Canon doesn't just offer an aftermarket HD vf and
extender. it can't be that hard to make. :(

Bruce S. Yarock · March 7th, 2007, 09:36 PM

I bought the varizoom swit, and am fairly happy with it. No it's not really hi def (they call it "his res") and you can't calibrate it, but it looks pretty good and is very handy on long tripod mounted shots.
Bruce S. yarock
www.yarock.com

Kevin Martorana · March 8th, 2007, 02:27 PM

We really like the Marshall....when we looked at it and purchased it. We had two major problems...I hope you aren't having the same if you have the Marshall.

1. Sent back to Marshall 3 times. On a shoot...poof. Stopped working. Marshall admitted the problem after the 3rd repair...saying they have a heat issue...and it will always do this. Not acceptable to lose a monitor in the middle of a shoot. And...there is no fix...just keep returning it for a repair.

2. The brightness control threw everyone off as far as camera exposure. If you crank on the brightness knob...the shots looked over exposed. We didn't know which was right...(obviously we trusted the camera)....but we ran into a scenario where one of our camera ops trusted the monitor...and all the footage came back at 80% ire. We asked Marshall about it...actually showed them the problem at NAB...and they agreed they also had problems with that on that monitor.

The monitor I'm talking about is the Marshall VR-65HD.

You are correct...the Panasonic is expensive (really 4k from a dealer)...but we looked at many monitors for field use. The Astro is an excellent monitor....except...is displayed SD in a small 3x4" window on it's monitor. It really only did HD.

The reason we like the Panasonic monitor is it takes EVERYTHING for an input...Component, SDI, HD-SDI, and composite. AND...it displays SD as well as HD. It truly can be a monitor you'll have for many, many years. AND...it also displays all forms for HD and SD running at different frame rates. Like 23.987 from a Sony F900 Cine Alta. No flickering.

Again...just my opinion...but I spent nearly 2 weeks testing field monitors. Belive me...I didn't want to spend the 4k on a monitor...but the Marshall was close to 3k if I remember properly.

I really believe we won't need to replace that Panasonic monitor for many years...and if you amortize that over several years...it's worth the investment.

Kevin Martorana · March 8th, 2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin Richardson

it may have half SD in vertical resolution but in horizontal it states 1440.

The panny does look like a nice monitor, but its in 4x3 aspect ratio.

Benjamin...
the monitor is 4x3 but displays 16x9 letterboxed...nicely...and you can centerpunch the monitor in a 4x3 when shooting HD...if that's they way you will post a HD shoot.

Gary McClurg · March 17th, 2007, 08:54 PM

I can't think of the model number but the Panasonic 17 inch monitor that costs around $2,700... has anyone used this with the XLH1?

I know its 720p... we used it with a Cine Alta and it worked find... just wondering if it will work with the Canon.

Glenn Davidson · March 17th, 2007, 09:12 PM

Are you thinking of the Panasonic BT-LH1700W? I use in for editing. At 16 pounds it is pretty heavy to carry around in the field, however on my last shoot I stuffed it in it's Porta-Brace custom case and took it along. It it built very well.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

Gary McClurg · March 17th, 2007, 09:37 PM

Yeah that's it...

So are you using it with FCP and footage from the XLH1?

Glenn Davidson · March 17th, 2007, 09:45 PM

Sorry, I do not have a XLH1. It seems to me that they would be a good match, however.

March 6th, 2007, 11:57 AM	#1
Benjamin Richardson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 143	Monitors to use with the XL H1 I've noticed that there are many people using marshal monitors with their camera for HD monitoring, i was wondering though, would this be a good monitor? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=400388&is=REG the reason i ask is it seems ot have a higher resolution, and lower cost...

March 6th, 2007, 12:15 PM	#2
Will Griffith Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 164	that is a SD display even though it has roughly the same resolution as a Marshall HDSDI model. __________________ will griffith producer/editor

March 6th, 2007, 10:17 PM	#3
Kevin Martorana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 250	Monitor for XL H1 We had a Marshall HD monitor and were VERY displeased with it. Frankly...we returned it. We looked hard and long for a good portable HD monitor. We ended up buying the Panasonic BT-LH900A. Great monitor for HD...with scope included. Does HD, component, composite. http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...odel=BT-LH900A

March 7th, 2007, 12:04 PM	#7
Will Griffith Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 164	the only real drawback of the HDSDI Marshall is contrast ratio when doing outside shots. you will need a hood for it. other than that I love it and it is less than half the price of the Panasonic...although it does not have scopes, etc. We use the XL series AB brick adapter for the H1 and power the Marshall using a AB powertap to xlr power adapter (there is a nifty little powertap outlet on the top of the AB adapter). I'm still confused why Canon doesn't just offer an aftermarket HD vf and extender. it can't be that hard to make. :( __________________ will griffith producer/editor

March 7th, 2007, 11:58 AM	#6
Benjamin Richardson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 143	it may have half SD in vertical resolution but in horizontal it states 1440. The panny does look like a nice monitor, but its in 4x3 aspect ratio.

March 7th, 2007, 09:36 PM	#8
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	I bought the varizoom swit, and am fairly happy with it. No it's not really hi def (they call it "his res") and you can't calibrate it, but it looks pretty good and is very handy on long tripod mounted shots. Bruce S. yarock www.yarock.com

March 8th, 2007, 02:27 PM	#9
Kevin Martorana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 250	We really like the Marshall....when we looked at it and purchased it. We had two major problems...I hope you aren't having the same if you have the Marshall. 1. Sent back to Marshall 3 times. On a shoot...poof. Stopped working. Marshall admitted the problem after the 3rd repair...saying they have a heat issue...and it will always do this. Not acceptable to lose a monitor in the middle of a shoot. And...there is no fix...just keep returning it for a repair. 2. The brightness control threw everyone off as far as camera exposure. If you crank on the brightness knob...the shots looked over exposed. We didn't know which was right...(obviously we trusted the camera)....but we ran into a scenario where one of our camera ops trusted the monitor...and all the footage came back at 80% ire. We asked Marshall about it...actually showed them the problem at NAB...and they agreed they also had problems with that on that monitor. The monitor I'm talking about is the Marshall VR-65HD. You are correct...the Panasonic is expensive (really 4k from a dealer)...but we looked at many monitors for field use. The Astro is an excellent monitor....except...is displayed SD in a small 3x4" window on it's monitor. It really only did HD. The reason we like the Panasonic monitor is it takes EVERYTHING for an input...Component, SDI, HD-SDI, and composite. AND...it displays SD as well as HD. It truly can be a monitor you'll have for many, many years. AND...it also displays all forms for HD and SD running at different frame rates. Like 23.987 from a Sony F900 Cine Alta. No flickering. Again...just my opinion...but I spent nearly 2 weeks testing field monitors. Belive me...I didn't want to spend the 4k on a monitor...but the Marshall was close to 3k if I remember properly. I really believe we won't need to replace that Panasonic monitor for many years...and if you amortize that over several years...it's worth the investment.

March 17th, 2007, 08:54 PM	#11
Gary McClurg Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Springfield, MO, USA Posts: 389	I can't think of the model number but the Panasonic 17 inch monitor that costs around $2,700... has anyone used this with the XLH1? I know its 720p... we used it with a Cine Alta and it worked find... just wondering if it will work with the Canon.

March 17th, 2007, 09:12 PM	#12
Glenn Davidson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nevada City, California Posts: 499	Are you thinking of the Panasonic BT-LH1700W? I use in for editing. At 16 pounds it is pretty heavy to carry around in the field, however on my last shoot I stuffed it in it's Porta-Brace custom case and took it along. It it built very well. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

March 17th, 2007, 09:37 PM	#13
Gary McClurg Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Springfield, MO, USA Posts: 389	Yeah that's it... So are you using it with FCP and footage from the XLH1?

March 17th, 2007, 09:45 PM	#14
Glenn Davidson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nevada City, California Posts: 499	Sorry, I do not have a XLH1. It seems to me that they would be a good match, however.