HDTV's for monitoring 24p at DVinfo.net

Richard Riehl · March 27th, 2006, 01:00 PM

I recently bought a nice LCD HDTV and it worked great at 720p and 1080i go give me a very good monitor while shooting HD. However, it would not work on 24p material.

While the old school would insist on a pro HD monitor that costs as much as my car, I am looking for a low budget solution.

So, do any of you know of commerically available and affordable small HDTV's that can accept a variety of frame rates, including 24p for 720???

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 27th, 2006, 05:19 PM

Any computer monitor, LCD panel can manage 24p, and virtually all newer LCD's will work for 24p. Worked just this morning where they had a village of 5 monitors using a component in/DVI out to DVI split system, working 24p from the JVC. Looked great. All monitors were DVI input, 2 were a 1900 x 1200 being fed 720, which was a tad blocky, but the three lower rez monitors were great.

Heath McKnight · March 27th, 2006, 10:24 PM

Which LCDs were they, Spot?

BTW, I love the new Westinghouse Digital LCDs! www.westinghousedigital.com

heath

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 27th, 2006, 10:30 PM

The smaller ones were KDM's, available at Walmart. One of the bigger ones for the director was an Apple Cinema, and the other was a Toshiba, don't know the model.

Heath McKnight · March 27th, 2006, 10:40 PM

Interesting. Thoughts on this:

http://polaroid.com/global/detail.js...bmLocale=en_US

hwm

Joe Carney · March 28th, 2006, 04:06 PM

The lcd displays from Spectre (Naga 37" and 42") accept a 1080p signal via component or dvi/hdmi (thats right, you can use them as 1080p computer monitors). The picture quality is getting good reviews too. 8ms response time.

the 37" is selling at around 1500.00 from Amazon via TigerDirect or Costco online.

Lots of people over at the avsforum like them, very few do not, and that place has no mercry when it comes to reviewing stuff.

The recently released 42" is selling like hotcakes.

both have built in hdcp so in theory owners should get maximum reslution from High Def sources.

Heath McKnight · March 28th, 2006, 04:12 PM

I wonder if the Spectre 37 and 42 in. 1080p LCDs are made by the same company that makes Westinghouse Digital's 1080p LCDs of the same size.

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/c...-monitors.aspx

hwm

Joe Carney · March 29th, 2006, 03:57 PM

The 37 inch models sound similar, but the 42" models do not.
Spectre has moved all the connectors to an external box which then routes them to a single cable connected to the back of the panel.
Not sure how this will affect picture quality, but not having to go behind the panel to connect dvi, hdmi or analog cables sounds nice. For studio use that could be a great option.

btw it's Sceptre not spectre. I get so confused sometimes.

Heath McKnight · March 29th, 2006, 04:23 PM

Which makes me think, does sceptre and westinghouse digital make the same TVs, or buy them from another manufacturer?

heath

Joe Carney · March 31st, 2006, 10:46 AM

They probably buy the actual lcd panel from the same manufacturer then add their own features. You could probably say that about a lot of the second tier sellers.

Marc Landry · September 7th, 2007, 09:28 AM

This is very interesting. I recently purchased a Sharp Aquos model LC42D62U.http://www.sharp.ca/products/index.asp?cat=30&id=661

I also purchased a Sony Blu-ray player model BDP-S300 http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665088000

I bought this combination to enjoy 24p footage from my camera and on Blu-ray. Much to my disappointment, even thought the player has a setting to output 24p the TV does not recognize it. If I set the player to "auto" it works but it looks as thought is changes the format. I have yet to burn my own Blu-ray disc or test it out of my editing suite but I would love it if someone could help me make sense of this.

I ask because I am also looking for a monitor for my editing suite and I find it odd that these lower end model allegedly play 24p with ease whereas my Aquos does not.

Thanks for your help.

Chris Soucy · September 7th, 2007, 05:03 PM

Interesting problem.

I'm assuming you were using the HDMI connection on both units (as the Sony won't O/P 1080p on anything else). If so it could well be the good 'ol "Not all TV's may be compatible......." cop out on page 10 of the Sony's user manual.

A good test to see whether it's the TV or the BD player would be to hook the Aquos DVI port to your NLE DVI port and squirt some 24p at it on that. [Interestingly the Aquos also accepts 1080p on it's Component ports (novel)]

Else a Canon HV20 using HDMI or anything else you have that O/P's 24p.

If you Google "HDMI Connection problem" you'll get buried alive in the response.

Gee, but that's one nice looking telly!

CS

March 27th, 2006, 01:00 PM	#1
Richard Riehl Tourist Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: westlake village, CA Posts: 1	HDTV's for monitoring 24p I recently bought a nice LCD HDTV and it worked great at 720p and 1080i go give me a very good monitor while shooting HD. However, it would not work on 24p material. While the old school would insist on a pro HD monitor that costs as much as my car, I am looking for a low budget solution. So, do any of you know of commerically available and affordable small HDTV's that can accept a variety of frame rates, including 24p for 720???

March 27th, 2006, 05:19 PM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Any computer monitor, LCD panel can manage 24p, and virtually all newer LCD's will work for 24p. Worked just this morning where they had a village of 5 monitors using a component in/DVI out to DVI split system, working 24p from the JVC. Looked great. All monitors were DVI input, 2 were a 1900 x 1200 being fed 720, which was a tad blocky, but the three lower rez monitors were great. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 27th, 2006, 10:24 PM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Which LCDs were they, Spot? BTW, I love the new Westinghouse Digital LCDs! www.westinghousedigital.com heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 27th, 2006, 10:30 PM	#4
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	The smaller ones were KDM's, available at Walmart. One of the bigger ones for the director was an Apple Cinema, and the other was a Toshiba, don't know the model. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 27th, 2006, 10:40 PM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Interesting. Thoughts on this: http://polaroid.com/global/detail.js...bmLocale=en_US hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 28th, 2006, 04:06 PM	#6
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	The lcd displays from Spectre (Naga 37" and 42") accept a 1080p signal via component or dvi/hdmi (thats right, you can use them as 1080p computer monitors). The picture quality is getting good reviews too. 8ms response time. the 37" is selling at around 1500.00 from Amazon via TigerDirect or Costco online. Lots of people over at the avsforum like them, very few do not, and that place has no mercry when it comes to reviewing stuff. The recently released 42" is selling like hotcakes. both have built in hdcp so in theory owners should get maximum reslution from High Def sources. __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

March 28th, 2006, 04:12 PM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I wonder if the Spectre 37 and 42 in. 1080p LCDs are made by the same company that makes Westinghouse Digital's 1080p LCDs of the same size. http://www.westinghousedigital.com/c...-monitors.aspx hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 29th, 2006, 03:57 PM	#8
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	The 37 inch models sound similar, but the 42" models do not. Spectre has moved all the connectors to an external box which then routes them to a single cable connected to the back of the panel. Not sure how this will affect picture quality, but not having to go behind the panel to connect dvi, hdmi or analog cables sounds nice. For studio use that could be a great option. btw it's Sceptre not spectre. I get so confused sometimes. __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

March 29th, 2006, 04:23 PM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Which makes me think, does sceptre and westinghouse digital make the same TVs, or buy them from another manufacturer? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 31st, 2006, 10:46 AM	#10
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	They probably buy the actual lcd panel from the same manufacturer then add their own features. You could probably say that about a lot of the second tier sellers. __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

September 7th, 2007, 09:28 AM	#11
Marc Landry New Boot Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 10	SHarp Aquos and Blue-Ray This is very interesting. I recently purchased a Sharp Aquos model LC42D62U.http://www.sharp.ca/products/index.asp?cat=30&id=661 I also purchased a Sony Blu-ray player model BDP-S300 http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665088000 I bought this combination to enjoy 24p footage from my camera and on Blu-ray. Much to my disappointment, even thought the player has a setting to output 24p the TV does not recognize it. If I set the player to "auto" it works but it looks as thought is changes the format. I have yet to burn my own Blu-ray disc or test it out of my editing suite but I would love it if someone could help me make sense of this. I ask because I am also looking for a monitor for my editing suite and I find it odd that these lower end model allegedly play 24p with ease whereas my Aquos does not. Thanks for your help.

September 7th, 2007, 05:03 PM	#12
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,691 Images: 18	Hi Marc....... Interesting problem. I'm assuming you were using the HDMI connection on both units (as the Sony won't O/P 1080p on anything else). If so it could well be the good 'ol "Not all TV's may be compatible......." cop out on page 10 of the Sony's user manual. A good test to see whether it's the TV or the BD player would be to hook the Aquos DVI port to your NLE DVI port and squirt some 24p at it on that. [Interestingly the Aquos also accepts 1080p on it's Component ports (novel)] Else a Canon HV20 using HDMI or anything else you have that O/P's 24p. If you Google "HDMI Connection problem" you'll get buried alive in the response. Gee, but that's one nice looking telly! CS