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Monitoring with the HD100
I read it's possible to use a SD monitor or even a TV setr with HD100 even when recording in HDV. My question is, what would be the disadvantages of using a SD instead of a HD monitor when shooting 720 25p?
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The disadvantage is that you wouldn't be seeing 2/3 of the detail in your frame! HDV's frame uses 2.67 times as many pixels as an SD DV frame. So all you'll see on the SD monitor is a downrezzed version. May be somewhat useful for framing, but useless for helping you determine focus, for example.
And NTSC is not HD, so the NTSC peculiarities of color imprecision etc. may taint your impression of what your footage actually looks like. |
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This might be of interest. Here is a portable HD LCD monitor that was drawing crowds at NAB http://www.erg-ventures.com/products/85/index.htm. Might be a great solution for the HD100.
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About the ERG monitor
Any idea on the cost of this monitor?
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Here ya go Tim, http://www.promax.com/Products/Detail/16680.
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Yikes...
Thanks for the heart attack...lol...that is some significant doh-ray-mee for an 8 inch monitor.
But may be worth it. Does anyone know a cheaper alternative?
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You've got the 19" HD TV version from DELL, with HD Component inputs, and 1280x768 native. They are not as calibrated or dont have as many controls as that from that ERG model, but you can get one from $600 or less.
Notice that the 20" LCD version DOES not have HD component, just DVI and SD inputs, so you would need a converter from 720p HD to 720p DVI. When ultra-detail and ultra-pro color monitoring is not needed ON THE SET/FIELD, the Dells would be your best options, they just let you see ALL the pixels and details, hence improvig your FOCUSING and framing. I strongly DO NOT recommend them for broadcasting / NLE monitoring. BUT... I was told that for "Collateral" they used the 23" from Apple, which nowadays are surprassed by the Dells. The reason was both portability and some scenes on the train where CRT ones would get interference from train's charges. And they used some on Star Wars set. so... who knows... if they use them in Hollywood for some HDCAM productions... L
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Is there anything smaller out there, which doesn't cost an arm and a leg? 19" (unless it's a flat monitor) seems like a monster. Also, did they really trust LCD monitors in Collateral and SW for color and lighting? It seems to me, a LCD monitor wouldn't be any good for anything else but framing.
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Hey Luis - welcome to DVinfo. I was in Buenos Aires earlier this summer doing video at Teatro Colon :-)
I have a couple consumer LCD's which are OK, but certainly not pro monitors. One thing to be aware of; every consumer model I've seen overscans. I have a 22" Samsung LTP-227W 1280x720 which is pretty nice. Has component, s-video, composite and and DVI. I also have an older Sony 17" 1280x768 widescreen monitor which has been discontinued. This screen is powered by an external AC brick, and when I got an external battery for my laptop I found that it can also be used to power the LCD monitor: http://www.apcc.com/resource/include...base_sku=UPB80 |
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About the MODELS: 19" LCD TV from DELL: W1900 (1280x768, 450nit, 600:1, component HD + DVI inputs) - $500-600 24" LCD Display from DELL: 2405FPW (1920x1200, 500 nits, 600:1, component HD+DVI inputs) - $800-1000 Both have many ways to display the 16:9/4:3 picture. Then you have the ones from Apple which are worst and more expnsive. About Collateral and Star Wars, yes, I checked out and both had worked with the Apple LCD displays with DVI (not even analog HD inputs). With a good tripod you can easily have the 19" from DELL on your studio or field (if you have 110/220V near you or a power generator) L
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monitor options
Just reading about monitor options for the hd-100.
What sort of quality would you be getting if you used a mac laptop as a monitor? I am planning a job where to cut down on kit we are going to use fcp5 to log and capture as we go. (and as a monitor) I know the log and capture window may not be full res but what about the mac its self, can it handle the pixels? |
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The 24" is a PC monitor and it would mabye take power from an external laptop battery. But I'm not sure. Thanks Luis. |
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Log and capture would be a really lousy monitor for just about everything in my experience. There's BTV Pro which is a really nice Mac shareware package that will give you a full screen monitor, scopes and hard drive recording. Unfortunately, it's only for DV and I don't know if there are any plans to upgrade it. I'm not aware of any other Mac solutions for this, but maybe one has come along recently.
http://www.bensoftware.com/btvpro.html |
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Luis: I did the video projections for "Walkyria" at Teatro Colon in June. We used two 10,000 lumen Sanyo LCD projectors, one of them on a 16 meter wide black scrim from the front, and the other on an 8 meter wide rear screen. Quite a bit of the footage was 3d computer animation, and we planned to have more live footage but with labor and other problems at the theatre we had to scale this back due to lack of time.
Michael: I typed "component to dvi converter" into Google and got a lot of results, such as this: http://store.a2zcable.com/viadcoorvgat.html http://www.startech.com/ststore/item...ID2DVIDTV&mt=Z |
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