HVR-M15U with 1080p monitor at DVinfo.net

Bill Rankin · August 13th, 2009, 10:08 AM

My M15 HDV deck is connected it to my 1080p HDTV (component, rgb) and my 20" tube TV) it plays, however, there is a jiggle on the (HDTV only) vertical lines (ex. bars). There is no problem with the HDTV when connected to the area cable TV. The spec for the deck shows "video signal 1080/60i".

Also, when input source is select on the HDTV a text box pops up for a few seconds "720 x 480i @60htz" for SD or and HDV video.

Why are the lines jiggly?
Assistance is greatly appreciated.

Bill Rankin · August 16th, 2009, 10:19 PM

For anyone who might be interested now or in the future, the problem is component cables. I can only use RCA (yellow, red, white) cables to run a signal from the deck to a HDTV.

Adam Gold · August 16th, 2009, 10:24 PM

Interesting. I use both component and HDMI to go to my external HDTV monitor when capturing, but then my monitor is only 720. No problems so far.

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Originally Posted by Bill Rankin

Also, when input source is select on the HDTV a text box pops up for a few seconds "720 x 480i @60htz" for SD or and HDV video.

Hm. Stupid Question: Are you sure you don't have the deck set to downconvert (p.47)? Or might it be bad cables?

Edit/Correction: obviously the M15 doesn't have HDMI -- I use that when capturing from another source. I use component only with the M15 and it does work fine. I'd still check the settings on page 47. There's just a whole bunch of them there, and they lead to other settings elsewhere, and any one of them can trip you up.

Bill Rankin · August 16th, 2009, 10:28 PM

I am disappointed because I would like to see the best picture while editing....oh well...

Adam Gold · August 16th, 2009, 10:38 PM

Bill, I spoke in error above. I've edited to correct....

Bill Rankin · August 17th, 2009, 07:07 AM

[QUOTE=Hm. Stupid Question: Are you sure you don't have the deck set to downconvert (p.47)? Or might it be bad cables?[/QUOTE]

The i-Link is set to off. For now I'll use the RCA cables.

Thanks Adam

Shaun Roemich · August 17th, 2009, 07:33 AM

Just to confirm: you mentioned using the red, white and yellow cables. I assume you meant that you are using these to connect to the component outputs as seen below on the back of the VTR and NOT to the "regular" Video output (with audio) on the back of the deck. The yellow, red and white rcas on the deck are of course composite (not component) and by definition cannot be anything but standard def.

Shaun Roemich · August 17th, 2009, 07:37 AM

As well, it sounds like the lines you are seeing could be one of two things:
- either you are seeing interlacing artifacts from the 1080i signal being viewed on your progressive display; or
-you are using CHEAP RCA cables to connect the video signal to the component input. SOME cables use a very light gauge wire for the audio pair (the red and white) in a standard A/V cable. This CAN cause issues with bandwidth, causing (for lack of a better word) "interference" in the signal that is connected with those two leads. Better to buy "real" component cable (ie. red, green, blue cable ends)

Bill Rankin · August 17th, 2009, 09:01 AM

Shaun,

The RCAs are plugged into the appropriate jacks on both the deck and HDTV.

I tried both SD and HDV signals from the deck to the HDTV and still had wiggly vertical lines. The video is fairly clear. When using RCA cables in RCA jacks the wiggly goes away.

I will contact Sony and see if they have an answer.

Adam Gold · August 17th, 2009, 12:20 PM

Hey Bill,

I'm a little confused because you say you are using RCA cables, but those could be either composite or component.

Just to clarify, you are using component cables from component output to component input and you get the distortion, but when you use composite cables from composite out to composite in it's fine? You are not mixing and crossing these two types at any point?

If your monitor is saying 480i it sure sounds like you are downconverting somewhere.

I would also certainly try swapping out some better component cables.

Vasco Dones · August 17th, 2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Rankin

I am disappointed because I would like to see the best picture while editing....oh well...

Bill,
do you mean "monitoring the HD timeline through M15U -> HDTV while editing"?
Is it doable? Does it work? How???

Vasco

Bill Rankin · August 17th, 2009, 03:23 PM

Adam,

Sorry for the confusion...composite to composite and component to component. The composite works, so I will rest with that for now.

Thanks...

August 13th, 2009, 10:08 AM	#1
Bill Rankin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 433	HVR-M15U with 1080p monitor My M15 HDV deck is connected it to my 1080p HDTV (component, rgb) and my 20" tube TV) it plays, however, there is a jiggle on the (HDTV only) vertical lines (ex. bars). There is no problem with the HDTV when connected to the area cable TV. The spec for the deck shows "video signal 1080/60i". Also, when input source is select on the HDTV a text box pops up for a few seconds "720 x 480i @60htz" for SD or and HDV video. Why are the lines jiggly? Assistance is greatly appreciated. __________________ Bill Rankin

August 16th, 2009, 10:19 PM	#2
Bill Rankin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 433	For anyone who might be interested now or in the future, the problem is component cables. I can only use RCA (yellow, red, white) cables to run a signal from the deck to a HDTV. __________________ Bill Rankin

August 16th, 2009, 10:28 PM	#4
Bill Rankin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 433	I am disappointed because I would like to see the best picture while editing....oh well... __________________ Bill Rankin

August 17th, 2009, 07:07 AM	#6
Bill Rankin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 433	[QUOTE=Hm. Stupid Question: Are you sure you don't have the deck set to downconvert (p.47)? Or might it be bad cables?[/QUOTE] The i-Link is set to off. For now I'll use the RCA cables. Thanks Adam __________________ Bill Rankin

August 17th, 2009, 07:33 AM	#7
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Just to confirm: you mentioned using the red, white and yellow cables. I assume you meant that you are using these to connect to the component outputs as seen below on the back of the VTR and NOT to the "regular" Video output (with audio) on the back of the deck. The yellow, red and white rcas on the deck are of course composite (not component) and by definition cannot be anything but standard def. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

August 16th, 2009, 10:38 PM	#5
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Bill, I spoke in error above. I've edited to correct....

August 17th, 2009, 07:37 AM	#8
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	As well, it sounds like the lines you are seeing could be one of two things: - either you are seeing interlacing artifacts from the 1080i signal being viewed on your progressive display; or -you are using CHEAP RCA cables to connect the video signal to the component input. SOME cables use a very light gauge wire for the audio pair (the red and white) in a standard A/V cable. This CAN cause issues with bandwidth, causing (for lack of a better word) "interference" in the signal that is connected with those two leads. Better to buy "real" component cable (ie. red, green, blue cable ends) __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

August 17th, 2009, 09:01 AM	#9
Bill Rankin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 433	Shaun, The RCAs are plugged into the appropriate jacks on both the deck and HDTV. I tried both SD and HDV signals from the deck to the HDTV and still had wiggly vertical lines. The video is fairly clear. When using RCA cables in RCA jacks the wiggly goes away. I will contact Sony and see if they have an answer. __________________ Bill Rankin

August 17th, 2009, 12:20 PM	#10
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Hey Bill, I'm a little confused because you say you are using RCA cables, but those could be either composite or component. Just to clarify, you are using component cables from component output to component input and you get the distortion, but when you use composite cables from composite out to composite in it's fine? You are not mixing and crossing these two types at any point? If your monitor is saying 480i it sure sounds like you are downconverting somewhere. I would also certainly try swapping out some better component cables.

August 17th, 2009, 03:23 PM	#12
Bill Rankin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 433	Adam, Sorry for the confusion...composite to composite and component to component. The composite works, so I will rest with that for now. Thanks... __________________ Bill Rankin