New 7" HDSDI and HDMI Monitors from Marshall

Bruce S. Yarock · January 1st, 2009, 04:02 PM

Guy,
Is the model that would accept hd/sdi from my Canon H1 available yet?
Thanks
Bruce yarock
Yarock Video and Photo

Bob Hart · January 1st, 2009, 09:31 PM

Bruce.

If you eyes are shot like mine and you do any live gigs with your camera, you may find it helpful in the meantime to use a Palsonic LCD TV. TFTV5539DT or something like it. This is the PAL model. There may be a different model for NTSC land or it may have been OEM'ed as another brand entirely.

This is not a proper camera monitor just a consumer TV.

It does "NOT" have HDSDI-in.
It does have HDMI-in.
It has component-in.
It has composite-in
Power is by small power converter from mains to 12VDC which means alternative sources like 12VDC batteries are viable.
It has an inbuilt SD DVD player.

I find it helpful because I can sit it off a short safe distance so that I am not dragging close-up glasses off and on my head. I still use the camera LCD for framing and follows of a dynamic subject but reference the TV for critical focus and deliberate moves.

If you are a wing camera one side or another of a stage and all cameras are winging it and not co-ordinated, the large screen can be helpful for your opposite camera operator to know what you are doing and match your framing.

It does not provide a true representation of aspect ratio. All are slightly vertically stretched.

Any big TV is a mongrel to cart about as it has to be reboxed.

Bruce S. Yarock · January 2nd, 2009, 12:30 AM

Bob,
I have a gateway 26" 1080p monitor, which I use when there's set up time and space available. I was thinking about something to use on camera (or stand), or jib, which would help me for critical focus. Since I have the hd/sdi out on the Csnon H1, I thought that might give me a better image than my varizoom swit, and help with color and focus. I also like the idea of the peaking function on the Marshall mentioned, which the swit doesn't have.
Bruce yarock

Guy Cochran · January 2nd, 2009, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce S. Yarock

Guy,
Is the model that would accept hd/sdi from my Canon H1 available yet?
Thanks
Bruce yarock
Yarock Video and Photo

HDSDI model is shipping in Feb. 09

Only the analog component HD model is shipping today.

Get one if you need it today. Otherwise, I think it's worth the wait.

BTW, I spoke with a customer this morning that shoots a ton of stuff worldwide for PBS. He uses the 8" Panasonic and reminded me of one more feature that you pay for on the Panasonic - it has built-in waveform. He did say that he would rather of bought the Marshall had it been out in '07.

Guy Cochran · January 4th, 2009, 12:44 AM

Geekin' out. I just had to open them up :)

Okay so both the Marshall and the IKAN have the BNC connectors soldered to the circuit board. So be gentle when pulling on those cables! Notice how the IKAN has HDMI as well as S-Video inputs.

I did like that the Marshall has a bit better build on the 1/4" thread on the bottom. It's reinforced with a better design.

James Chen · January 7th, 2009, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Cochran

HDSDI model is shipping in Feb. 09

Any idea how much more the HDSDI model will cost?

Paul Mailath · January 7th, 2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Hart

I find it helpful because I can sit it off a short safe distance so that I am not dragging close-up glasses off and on my head. I still use the camera LCD for framing and follows of a dynamic subject but reference the TV for critical focus and deliberate moves.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one, I'm resorting to close up glasses or a 15" HDTV - both are a pain

Bruce S. Yarock · January 7th, 2009, 05:37 PM

Guy (or anyone else who knows the answer)-
is there any difference in resolution and quality between the hdmi version and the hd/sdi version comming out in february? Both of my canons (h1 and a1) have that component output which i guess is called 'hdmi", correct? If the quality on the hdmi version and the one comming out in feb. is the same, then I'm better off with the one I can use with both cameras. But if the hd/sdi will give me better resolution and crisper focus, then i'll get the hd/sdi version for my h1, and keep the varizoom swit for my a1.
Btw, guy...whichever i get i'll buy from you, given your help on th3ese forums.
Thanks
Bruce yarock
Yarock Video and Photo

Guy Cochran · January 13th, 2009, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Chen

Any idea how much more the HDSDI model will cost?

Our contact at Marshall says that we're still waiting on pricing for HDSDI model.

Guy Cochran · January 13th, 2009, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce S. Yarock

Guy (or anyone else who knows the answer)-
is there any difference in resolution and quality between the hdmi version and the hd/sdi version comming out in february? Both of my canons (h1 and a1) have that component output which i guess is called 'hdmi", correct? If the quality on the hdmi version and the one comming out in feb. is the same, then I'm better off with the one I can use with both cameras. But if the hd/sdi will give me better resolution and crisper focus, then i'll get the hd/sdi version for my h1, and keep the varizoom swit for my a1.
Btw, guy...whichever i get i'll buy from you, given your help on th3ese forums.
Thanks
Bruce yarock
Yarock Video and Photo

Thanks Bruce. I appreciate that.
Component requires 3 analog connections, the connectors are usually Red, Green and Blue.
HDMI is pure digital with just one connection.
Here is a vid I produced awhile back that may help...or confuse :0 HD Monitoring from an NLE on Vimeo
It's tough to gauge the quality difference between an HDMI and a Component connection on an 8" display - I'd say 10-20% improvement to the human eye.

Bruce S. Yarock · January 13th, 2009, 03:57 AM

Guy,
The hdv output of both the Canon H1 and A1 is a plug that has the three component cables on the other end. So therefore, the only monitor that will work for both cameras is one that accepts component (eg. the switt which I have). The new hd/sdi from Marshall will only work on the H1. If it's 20% crisper, it will be worth it.
Thanks
Bruce yarock

Guy Cochran · January 14th, 2009, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Chen

Any idea how much more the HDSDI model will cost?

Fresh in.

Marshall V-LCD70P-3GSDI 7" on Camera monitor with Composite, Component, 3GHD/SDI inputs and Canon, JVC, Sony or Panasonic Battery Mount - List price $1299

Marshall V-LCD70P-HDMI-CM 7" on Camera monitor with Composite, Component, HDMI inputs and Canon, JVC, Sony or Panasonic Battery Mount - List price $1099

Add $100 for V-Mount or Anton Bauer plate.

HDMI version shipping beginning of March
HDSDI version shipping end of March

I will have a pre-production model to test in the next few weeks and will post additional photos or a video of a hot model demonstrating "peaking" and "false color" - false color is going to blow you away. Once you learn how to read it, you can gauge your exposure by seeing where elements of your frame may be over or under exposed. If you grew up as a photographer and understand the zones system, it will make sense quick. You can even see if skin tones are properly exposed - instantly at the touch of button - see the attached pdf for more info.

Alvise Tedesco · February 16th, 2009, 09:29 AM

Anybody used already the new 4.8' (800x480) Swit?
It's a long time I'm waiting for something lighter and smaller than my 7' HDA for use shoulder mounted adapter+camera rig.

http://swit-battery.com/swit2006/eng...ductdetail.asp

Cheers

Adrian Price · March 18th, 2009, 04:01 AM

Hey All

Looking at getting one of the new Marshall monitors for use with an EX3, and just checking battery specs. this Marshall on B&H details using a Sony BP-460?

OK so living under a rock, but is this a typo or can someone point me in the direction of where to find said battery?

I don't really want to have to buy a new battery system just for the monitor so if this isn't compatible with the EX BP-U30 or BP-U60, has anyone had any experience using these with the L series batteries??

Guy Cochran · March 18th, 2009, 08:21 AM

The HDA (Component and Composite) Model is now shipping
The HDMI is also now shipping
The HDSDI Model is pushed to May.
For an EX3, I would wait for the HDSDI.

I'm using mine with a slim line Sony battery that weighs 4 oz. The monitor weighs 1lb 8oz. It's a light package overall. A little much for a Canon 5D Mark II, for that camera I like the new little IKAN 5.6" HDMI. The Marshall 7" is right at home on an HVX200/Z7U/XHA1 sized camera. The camera you'll see me using it on is the Sony S270U.

YES!!! I finally got the Video done so you can see the Marshall monitor in action. It was more of a challenge to shoot a monitor than I thought. You get a lot of moire.

At the end of the video you can see the Sony L series battery powering the unit and exactly how slim it is. I have a limited number of these Sony batteries and chargers that I can include for free if anyone from DVinfo mentions it in the comments field of their order.

January 1st, 2009, 09:31 PM	#17
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	Bruce. If you eyes are shot like mine and you do any live gigs with your camera, you may find it helpful in the meantime to use a Palsonic LCD TV. TFTV5539DT or something like it. This is the PAL model. There may be a different model for NTSC land or it may have been OEM'ed as another brand entirely. This is not a proper camera monitor just a consumer TV. It does "NOT" have HDSDI-in. It does have HDMI-in. It has component-in. It has composite-in Power is by small power converter from mains to 12VDC which means alternative sources like 12VDC batteries are viable. It has an inbuilt SD DVD player. I find it helpful because I can sit it off a short safe distance so that I am not dragging close-up glasses off and on my head. I still use the camera LCD for framing and follows of a dynamic subject but reference the TV for critical focus and deliberate moves. If you are a wing camera one side or another of a stage and all cameras are winging it and not co-ordinated, the large screen can be helpful for your opposite camera operator to know what you are doing and match your framing. It does not provide a true representation of aspect ratio. All are slightly vertically stretched. Any big TV is a mongrel to cart about as it has to be reboxed. Last edited by Bob Hart; January 1st, 2009 at 09:32 PM. Reason: error

January 4th, 2009, 12:44 AM	#20
Guy Cochran DVCreators.Net Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 892	Geekin' out. I just had to open them up :) Okay so both the Marshall and the IKAN have the BNC connectors soldered to the circuit board. So be gentle when pulling on those cables! Notice how the IKAN has HDMI as well as S-Video inputs. I did like that the Marshall has a bit better build on the 1/4" thread on the bottom. It's reinforced with a better design. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Guy Cochran DVinfo Sponsor, Cool Gear - DVeStore!

March 18th, 2009, 04:01 AM	#29
Adrian Price Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 29	Marshall V-LCD70P-3GSDI-SB 7" with Sony BP-460?? Hey All Looking at getting one of the new Marshall monitors for use with an EX3, and just checking battery specs. this Marshall on B&H details using a Sony BP-460? OK so living under a rock, but is this a typo or can someone point me in the direction of where to find said battery? I don't really want to have to buy a new battery system just for the monitor so if this isn't compatible with the EX BP-U30 or BP-U60, has anyone had any experience using these with the L series batteries??

March 18th, 2009, 08:21 AM	#30
Guy Cochran DVCreators.Net Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 892	The HDA (Component and Composite) Model is now shipping The HDMI is also now shipping The HDSDI Model is pushed to May. For an EX3, I would wait for the HDSDI. I'm using mine with a slim line Sony battery that weighs 4 oz. The monitor weighs 1lb 8oz. It's a light package overall. A little much for a Canon 5D Mark II, for that camera I like the new little IKAN 5.6" HDMI. The Marshall 7" is right at home on an HVX200/Z7U/XHA1 sized camera. The camera you'll see me using it on is the Sony S270U. YES!!! I finally got the Video done so you can see the Marshall monitor in action. It was more of a challenge to shoot a monitor than I thought. You get a lot of moire. At the end of the video you can see the Sony L series battery powering the unit and exactly how slim it is. I have a limited number of these Sony batteries and chargers that I can include for free if anyone from DVinfo mentions it in the comments field of their order. __________________ Guy Cochran DVinfo Sponsor, Cool Gear - DVeStore! Last edited by Guy Cochran; March 18th, 2009 at 10:38 AM.

January 1st, 2009, 04:02 PM	#16
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Guy, Is the model that would accept hd/sdi from my Canon H1 available yet? Thanks Bruce yarock Yarock Video and Photo

January 2nd, 2009, 12:30 AM	#18
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Bob, I have a gateway 26" 1080p monitor, which I use when there's set up time and space available. I was thinking about something to use on camera (or stand), or jib, which would help me for critical focus. Since I have the hd/sdi out on the Csnon H1, I thought that might give me a better image than my varizoom swit, and help with color and focus. I also like the idea of the peaking function on the Marshall mentioned, which the swit doesn't have. Bruce yarock

January 7th, 2009, 05:37 PM	#23
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Guy (or anyone else who knows the answer)- is there any difference in resolution and quality between the hdmi version and the hd/sdi version comming out in february? Both of my canons (h1 and a1) have that component output which i guess is called 'hdmi", correct? If the quality on the hdmi version and the one comming out in feb. is the same, then I'm better off with the one I can use with both cameras. But if the hd/sdi will give me better resolution and crisper focus, then i'll get the hd/sdi version for my h1, and keep the varizoom swit for my a1. Btw, guy...whichever i get i'll buy from you, given your help on th3ese forums. Thanks Bruce yarock Yarock Video and Photo

January 13th, 2009, 03:57 AM	#26
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Guy, The hdv output of both the Canon H1 and A1 is a plug that has the three component cables on the other end. So therefore, the only monitor that will work for both cameras is one that accepts component (eg. the switt which I have). The new hd/sdi from Marshall will only work on the H1. If it's 20% crisper, it will be worth it. Thanks Bruce yarock

February 16th, 2009, 09:29 AM	#28
Alvise Tedesco Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Milan/Italy Posts: 63	Anybody used already the new 4.8' (800x480) Swit? It's a long time I'm waiting for something lighter and smaller than my 7' HDA for use shoulder mounted adapter+camera rig. http://swit-battery.com/swit2006/eng...ductdetail.asp Cheers