SDI-equipped HD field monitors for XDCAM HD?

Morton Molyneux · February 29th, 2008, 08:07 PM

I can across this site the other day. Although not up to the specs of the Marshall or Sony, the price is sure right. To bad there is no HDSDI in put.

http://www.ikancorp.com/pages/monito...00hd/index.htm

cheers

Morton

Thierry Humeau · February 29th, 2008, 09:52 PM

The Panasonic BT-LH900AE is expensive but it is a workhorse and pretty much the reference for HD field monitoring. It's compact, rugged and I became addicted to the built in waveform monitor. It is of great help and allows you to maximized your levels, especially on skin tones. We also use the 26" version in the edit room and they both have the same colorimetry. So, what you see in the field is what you get in post.

Thierry.

Thierry Humeau · February 29th, 2008, 09:57 PM

As attractive as the Ikan prices are, I would not rate these as production monitors. They are built pretty cheap and do not offer the calibration tools found on professional units. And yes, the missing HD-SDI input is definetly a no go to use with the F350/355. Though, it could be and attractive choice for the F330/335 and people on a budget.

Thierry.

Ryan Hollings · February 29th, 2008, 10:27 PM

We use the LMD-9050 as others have mentioned.

had a couple probs with it, with being less than a yr old;

burnt out pixels a couple of times, and a "fan error" .

all covered under warranty, but a hassle to go without for a while.

Uli Mors · March 1st, 2008, 03:02 AM

If price matters, a HVX shooter came across the idea to build his "own" HD-Monitor (sounds crazy, but he´s eletronics engineer) by searching for the right industry lcd screens and eletronics.

Though I´ve never seen it with my own eyes its worth a consideration - perhaps he can send you a sample?

see www.lsdsgn.com

hmmm... a waveform monitor would be great of course...

Cheers

ULI

Paul Gale · March 1st, 2008, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clive Haycock

Paul,
The "sunbright" one looks OK but as far as I can see it's still a 4:3 screen & the resolution is lower than the Sony one & there doesn't seem to be any specs for the R901DP yet.
I'm off to NAB mid April & will have a look to see what else is available & let you know, if you can wait that long.

Cheers

Clive

Thanks Clive - would appreciate any info you can get - won't be purchasing for a while anyway. Yes, these are 4:3 - they do some 16:9 but the res is the same for the same display area I think. They seem to be limited by general LCD display technology and pixel density.

Paul Gale · March 1st, 2008, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uli Mors

If price matters, a HVX shooter came across the idea to build his "own" HD-Monitor (sounds crazy, but he´s eletronics engineer) by searching for the right industry lcd screens and electronics. see www.lsdsgn.com hmmm... a waveform monitor would be great of course...

That's really interesting - a few design problems though if you want to mount it in a portable case (like the BNC connectors on top!). Prices seem similar to the marshall monitors, so I wonder what you would gain given that I would have thought Marshall have access to better testing of brightness, colour etc...

Dennis Dillon · March 2nd, 2008, 05:00 PM

Paul,
Take a look @ TV logic

Joseph Anthony · March 3rd, 2008, 08:15 AM

We also have a Sony LMD-9050 and the one drawback (other than the native 4:3 aspect ratio) is the fan. I don't know about the rest of you guys with this monitor, but when the fan kicks in on ours, it is pretty loud. Loud enough that I have to shut it off during interviews. For that reason alone, we don't take it on any shoot with critical audio. We have Marshalls also that we use in the field and they are OK, but not great. I'm still waiting for a high-res, native 16:9, hdsdi, quiet monitor at a reasonable price. Wishful thinking? I'm beginning to wonder.

Dimitri Liaos · March 3rd, 2008, 08:45 AM

Awkward as it may seem (and it is) wherever I can, I use an Apple 23" Cinema Display with a Blackmagic HD Link.

Paul Gale · March 3rd, 2008, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitri Liaos

Awkward as it may seem (and it is) wherever I can, I use an Apple 23" Cinema Display with a Blackmagic HD Link.

Good if you're in a studio style setting - i.e. when we do chromakey work in a make-shift studio setting. Not so practical when on the run and doing lots of IV's around a site.

Bruce Rawlings · March 3rd, 2008, 02:17 PM

I can fully endorse the Sony 9050. We use them in HD-SDi mode with HDCAM and EX1 cameras, and with the Z1 in component mode. Focus problems have gone at a stroke. In the edit suite we have a Panasonic BH1700 that is good enough for non broadcast colour grading.

Lonnie Bell · March 16th, 2008, 11:12 PM

Dennis,
I'm looking at the LVM-071W from Tv Logic - is this the one you have or its predecessor. Are they good enough for critical focus in HD?

Thanks,
Lonnie

Mark McCarthy · May 29th, 2008, 04:30 PM

Hi Thierry. Hope you're well. I am a F350 looking to get a good and reliable field monitor. I believe you using the Panasonic BT-LH900AE, are you using a F350 too? If so what lead (s) do you need to connect it to the Panasonic BT-LH900AE through the hdsi output on the back?

Thanks, Sparky

February 29th, 2008, 09:52 PM	#17
Thierry Humeau Telecam Films Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 723	The Panasonic BT-LH900AE is expensive but it is a workhorse and pretty much the reference for HD field monitoring. It's compact, rugged and I became addicted to the built in waveform monitor. It is of great help and allows you to maximized your levels, especially on skin tones. We also use the 26" version in the edit room and they both have the same colorimetry. So, what you see in the field is what you get in post. Thierry. __________________ Thierry Humeau, DoP Télécam Films www.telecamfilms.com

February 29th, 2008, 09:57 PM	#18
Thierry Humeau Telecam Films Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 723	As attractive as the Ikan prices are, I would not rate these as production monitors. They are built pretty cheap and do not offer the calibration tools found on professional units. And yes, the missing HD-SDI input is definetly a no go to use with the F350/355. Though, it could be and attractive choice for the F330/335 and people on a budget. Thierry. __________________ Thierry Humeau, DoP Télécam Films www.telecamfilms.com

March 3rd, 2008, 08:45 AM	#25
Dimitri Liaos New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 12	Apple & Blackmagic Awkward as it may seem (and it is) wherever I can, I use an Apple 23" Cinema Display with a Blackmagic HD Link. __________________ Dimitri Liaos, DoP Sony F350, Fujinon XS17X5,5, FC Studio 2

March 16th, 2008, 11:12 PM	#28
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	Dennis, I'm looking at the LVM-071W from Tv Logic - is this the one you have or its predecessor. Are they good enough for critical focus in HD? Thanks, Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Bell mamas boy productions Las Vegas, NV

May 29th, 2008, 04:30 PM	#29
Mark McCarthy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Westcliff-On-Sea, Essex, England Posts: 154	Panasonic BT-LH900AE Hi Thierry. Hope you're well. I am a F350 looking to get a good and reliable field monitor. I believe you using the Panasonic BT-LH900AE, are you using a F350 too? If so what lead (s) do you need to connect it to the Panasonic BT-LH900AE through the hdsi output on the back? Thanks, Sparky

February 29th, 2008, 08:07 PM	#16
Morton Molyneux Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada Posts: 98	I can across this site the other day. Although not up to the specs of the Marshall or Sony, the price is sure right. To bad there is no HDSDI in put. http://www.ikancorp.com/pages/monito...00hd/index.htm cheers Morton

February 29th, 2008, 10:27 PM	#19
Ryan Hollings Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 118	We use the LMD-9050 as others have mentioned. had a couple probs with it, with being less than a yr old; burnt out pixels a couple of times, and a "fan error" . all covered under warranty, but a hassle to go without for a while.

March 1st, 2008, 03:02 AM	#20
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	If price matters, a HVX shooter came across the idea to build his "own" HD-Monitor (sounds crazy, but he´s eletronics engineer) by searching for the right industry lcd screens and eletronics. Though I´ve never seen it with my own eyes its worth a consideration - perhaps he can send you a sample? see www.lsdsgn.com hmmm... a waveform monitor would be great of course... Cheers ULI

March 2nd, 2008, 05:00 PM	#23
Dennis Dillon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hobe Sound, Florida Posts: 213	Paul, Take a look @ TV logic

March 3rd, 2008, 08:15 AM	#24
Joseph Anthony New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Research Triangle Park, North Carolina Posts: 22	We also have a Sony LMD-9050 and the one drawback (other than the native 4:3 aspect ratio) is the fan. I don't know about the rest of you guys with this monitor, but when the fan kicks in on ours, it is pretty loud. Loud enough that I have to shut it off during interviews. For that reason alone, we don't take it on any shoot with critical audio. We have Marshalls also that we use in the field and they are OK, but not great. I'm still waiting for a high-res, native 16:9, hdsdi, quiet monitor at a reasonable price. Wishful thinking? I'm beginning to wonder.

March 3rd, 2008, 02:17 PM	#27
Bruce Rawlings Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 410	I can fully endorse the Sony 9050. We use them in HD-SDi mode with HDCAM and EX1 cameras, and with the Z1 in component mode. Focus problems have gone at a stroke. In the edit suite we have a Panasonic BH1700 that is good enough for non broadcast colour grading.