Field monitor for Sony PMW-EX1?

Paul Dhadialla · January 22nd, 2008, 05:12 PM

Thanks All !

Eric & Gene
Are you referring to this monitor:2407WFP-HC

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/prod...1&sku=320-5647

I think I might shoot for that - or the 27" like Louis mentioned.

Louis if i'm not mistakenm, you can only get 1080i (not 1080p) over the Black Magic card right? How does 1080i look on the Aquos - do you not get artifacting? I have a Sony HD CRT screen for my 1080i - looks really nice. For all the progressive - will go to LCD

Louis do you find the increased contrast ration on the Aquos makes the picture look better - vs. the Dell computer monitor?

Thanks again!
Paul

Louis Nel · January 22nd, 2008, 06:09 PM

Hi Paul,
I do what I described in the blackmagic monitoring thread as "poor man's calibration". I use my "spyder-style" calibration tool which I use with photoshop to get accurate calibration on my computer monitor. Then I set the monitor beside my TV, display two identical images from photoshop (one on the screen and on via the black magic card to the TV) and try and tweak the TV till it looks right.) To my knowledge you cannot load ICC picture profiles into the video capture card the way you can for your graphics card. I wish there was an automated way to calibrate the TV they way I do my monitor for still photography, but I don't know if that exists. If it does I would love to know about it.

...Lou

Rob Collins · January 22nd, 2008, 10:06 PM

As a cheap temporary solution to use with Intensity Pro, I got the BenQ G2400W, $400. It has HDMI and DVI, so I can swap between using it as a video monitor and extended desktop. I've seen no artifacting on 24p footage.

Quality is very nice so far, though calibration limited of course. I'm interested in the new Lacie 324 http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11034 as a future higher-end unit doing the same thing.

Jamie Baughman · January 26th, 2008, 12:09 AM

Rob,

My EX1's shipping out by Monday and I'm trying to put together a quick edit solution. I've got Final Cut 2 on the way and I've got a Mac Pro desktop. I've ordered the intesity pro card as well. Just to be clear, the only monitor you're using is the Benq, or are you using a two monitor setup? Thanks

Jamie Baughman · January 26th, 2008, 07:36 PM

Hi Folks,

Camera should be here by the end of this work week. trying to get all the ancillary stuff in line before then.

I'll be cutting on FCS 2 and have a quick monitoring question.

If I get this monitor: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=320-5647

What card do I need on my Mac pro to take advantage of the 1080p footage?

Thanks in advance.

Paul Joy · January 26th, 2008, 07:44 PM

Hi Jamie, it's a normal DVI interface monitor, your Mac Pro should already have two ports built in so I doubt you need to buy anything further.

If your looking at colour correction monitoring then this wouldn't be the right way to go, you'd need to be spending a whole lot more. For editing and non critical coloring etc it will be fine though, I use a Dell 24" along with my Apple 23" on a Mac Pro and I much prefer the Dell to the Apple display.

regards

paul.

Jamie Baughman · January 26th, 2008, 07:49 PM

Thanks for the quick reply Paul. This is not color critical stuff, so I think I'll go for the dell, I've read lots of good stuff about it.

Pavlos Symeon · February 4th, 2008, 11:58 AM

I am in a process of buying an SD/HD monitor (portable if possible) to couple it with my EX1 and JVC GY DV 500 as well. Questions are:

1. CRT or Flat
2. I am on budget (yeah good luck to me asking for HD monitor)
3. What are my options brand-wise (European region only)
4. Is it possible to have a descent SD/HD monitor at the same time?
5. I know that size matters with HD but if I could get away with a 10'' or little wider and battery operated...
6. Can I calibrate it myself for SD/HD?

Daniel Alexander · February 5th, 2008, 05:07 PM

Ok after hours (well just under 1 hour really) of searching I can't find the answer to my question. I have a Sony EX1 in the post and i plan to be shooting 1080p for work which will be shown on tv, alot of colour correcting/grading will be done to the footage. My question is this, do i really need a HD monitor for such work as my broadcast target will be SD, i ask this because i have just ordered a JVC TM-H150CG and as my reasoning has it, i believe i should be able to edit on my timeline whether that be a hd or sd timeline and then firewire an output to the monitor and work on it from there. Does this make sence, or am i overlooking a major comprimise etc? Thanks as usual people.

Daniel Alexander · February 15th, 2008, 03:46 PM

Ok so we all know the EX1 is capable of some extraordinary images and i imagine alot of you are editing on a hd timeline and so i am wondering what are you using to monitor your footage for accurate colour correction/grading?

I my self am using a JVC TM-H150C simply because thats all i can afford right now and as i do a lot of colour grading i'm assuming it will be better than judging colours accurately on my pc monitor. My work is usually for broadcast and dvd output for clients.

So what’s your monitor setup?

Michael H. Stevens · February 15th, 2008, 04:50 PM

Dell 24' HD LCD. They now have the 27". very popula woth the Vegas Pro crowd. Color and contrast match big screen 1080p LCD very close.

Benjamin Eckstein · February 16th, 2008, 08:32 AM

Michael,
My Dell Ultrasharp Monitors (24") arrived yesterday. I didn't have a chance to hook up my new MacPro yet before I went away for the weekend but I did hook up my EX-1 to the monitor via the component. It looked pretty nice, but I found that it was a bit noisier than on a nicer LCD, and in low light areas saw some very faint horizontal lines (this on 1:1 aspect). Have you ever plugged in the EX-1 directly to your monitor like that and noticed similar results? I wonder if it will look diferent when played through FCP.

BE

Ola Christoffersson · February 16th, 2008, 08:39 AM

I have done this with my Dell 2405. It is one generation older than the current Dell 24" so I don't know if the results are the same. Anyway - using the component inputs gives a way way way worse picture than when playing back media from the computer. In my case that means Avid Media Composer. I find that I can judge colour and brightness/contrast pretty well when using the fullscreen mode in the Avid.

Piotr Wozniacki · February 16th, 2008, 08:40 AM

Benjamin, you're not the first one to report the lines in EX1-via-component image; I must say I'm not seeing anything like it on my Fujitsu-Siemens monitor.

Steven Thomas · February 16th, 2008, 08:46 AM

The component in on the DELL 2405 is awful. Like you said, playback from your computer will be FAR better. Also, using an SDI>DVI adaptor blows away the component input on the DELL.

January 26th, 2008, 12:09 AM	#34
Jamie Baughman Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 180	Rob, My EX1's shipping out by Monday and I'm trying to put together a quick edit solution. I've got Final Cut 2 on the way and I've got a Mac Pro desktop. I've ordered the intesity pro card as well. Just to be clear, the only monitor you're using is the Benq, or are you using a two monitor setup? Thanks __________________ Jamie Baughman

January 26th, 2008, 07:36 PM	#35
Jamie Baughman Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 180	Monitor Question Hi Folks, Camera should be here by the end of this work week. trying to get all the ancillary stuff in line before then. I'll be cutting on FCS 2 and have a quick monitoring question. If I get this monitor: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=320-5647 What card do I need on my Mac pro to take advantage of the 1080p footage? Thanks in advance. __________________ Jamie Baughman

January 26th, 2008, 07:44 PM	#36
Paul Joy Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 627	Hi Jamie, it's a normal DVI interface monitor, your Mac Pro should already have two ports built in so I doubt you need to buy anything further. If your looking at colour correction monitoring then this wouldn't be the right way to go, you'd need to be spending a whole lot more. For editing and non critical coloring etc it will be fine though, I use a Dell 24" along with my Apple 23" on a Mac Pro and I much prefer the Dell to the Apple display. regards paul. __________________ Blog: www.pauljoy.com Company: www.videotrader.co.uk

January 26th, 2008, 07:49 PM	#37
Jamie Baughman Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 180	Thanks for the quick reply Paul. This is not color critical stuff, so I think I'll go for the dell, I've read lots of good stuff about it. __________________ Jamie Baughman

February 4th, 2008, 11:58 AM	#38
Pavlos Symeon Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 48	Advise for SD/HD monitor in Europe I am in a process of buying an SD/HD monitor (portable if possible) to couple it with my EX1 and JVC GY DV 500 as well. Questions are: 1. CRT or Flat 2. I am on budget (yeah good luck to me asking for HD monitor) 3. What are my options brand-wise (European region only) 4. Is it possible to have a descent SD/HD monitor at the same time? 5. I know that size matters with HD but if I could get away with a 10'' or little wider and battery operated... 6. Can I calibrate it myself for SD/HD?

January 22nd, 2008, 05:12 PM	#31
Paul Dhadialla Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 143	Thanks All ! Eric & Gene Are you referring to this monitor:2407WFP-HC http://accessories.dell.com/sna/prod...1&sku=320-5647 I think I might shoot for that - or the 27" like Louis mentioned. Louis if i'm not mistakenm, you can only get 1080i (not 1080p) over the Black Magic card right? How does 1080i look on the Aquos - do you not get artifacting? I have a Sony HD CRT screen for my 1080i - looks really nice. For all the progressive - will go to LCD Louis do you find the increased contrast ration on the Aquos makes the picture look better - vs. the Dell computer monitor? Thanks again! Paul

January 22nd, 2008, 06:09 PM	#32
Louis Nel New Boot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6	Hi Paul, I do what I described in the blackmagic monitoring thread as "poor man's calibration". I use my "spyder-style" calibration tool which I use with photoshop to get accurate calibration on my computer monitor. Then I set the monitor beside my TV, display two identical images from photoshop (one on the screen and on via the black magic card to the TV) and try and tweak the TV till it looks right.) To my knowledge you cannot load ICC picture profiles into the video capture card the way you can for your graphics card. I wish there was an automated way to calibrate the TV they way I do my monitor for still photography, but I don't know if that exists. If it does I would love to know about it. ...Lou

January 22nd, 2008, 10:06 PM	#33
Rob Collins Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 229	As a cheap temporary solution to use with Intensity Pro, I got the BenQ G2400W, $400. It has HDMI and DVI, so I can swap between using it as a video monitor and extended desktop. I've seen no artifacting on 24p footage. Quality is very nice so far, though calibration limited of course. I'm interested in the new Lacie 324 http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11034 as a future higher-end unit doing the same thing.

February 5th, 2008, 05:07 PM	#39
Daniel Alexander Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 320	1080 for SD Monitor Ok after hours (well just under 1 hour really) of searching I can't find the answer to my question. I have a Sony EX1 in the post and i plan to be shooting 1080p for work which will be shown on tv, alot of colour correcting/grading will be done to the footage. My question is this, do i really need a HD monitor for such work as my broadcast target will be SD, i ask this because i have just ordered a JVC TM-H150CG and as my reasoning has it, i believe i should be able to edit on my timeline whether that be a hd or sd timeline and then firewire an output to the monitor and work on it from there. Does this make sence, or am i overlooking a major comprimise etc? Thanks as usual people.

February 15th, 2008, 03:46 PM	#40
Daniel Alexander Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 320	What are you monitoring on? Ok so we all know the EX1 is capable of some extraordinary images and i imagine alot of you are editing on a hd timeline and so i am wondering what are you using to monitor your footage for accurate colour correction/grading? I my self am using a JVC TM-H150C simply because thats all i can afford right now and as i do a lot of colour grading i'm assuming it will be better than judging colours accurately on my pc monitor. My work is usually for broadcast and dvd output for clients. So what’s your monitor setup?

February 15th, 2008, 04:50 PM	#41
Michael H. Stevens Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Palm Desert, California Posts: 311	Dell 24' HD LCD. They now have the 27". very popula woth the Vegas Pro crowd. Color and contrast match big screen 1080p LCD very close.

February 16th, 2008, 08:32 AM	#42
Benjamin Eckstein Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 380 Images: 1	Michael, My Dell Ultrasharp Monitors (24") arrived yesterday. I didn't have a chance to hook up my new MacPro yet before I went away for the weekend but I did hook up my EX-1 to the monitor via the component. It looked pretty nice, but I found that it was a bit noisier than on a nicer LCD, and in low light areas saw some very faint horizontal lines (this on 1:1 aspect). Have you ever plugged in the EX-1 directly to your monitor like that and noticed similar results? I wonder if it will look diferent when played through FCP. BE

February 16th, 2008, 08:39 AM	#43
Ola Christoffersson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 462	I have done this with my Dell 2405. It is one generation older than the current Dell 24" so I don't know if the results are the same. Anyway - using the component inputs gives a way way way worse picture than when playing back media from the computer. In my case that means Avid Media Composer. I find that I can judge colour and brightness/contrast pretty well when using the fullscreen mode in the Avid.

February 16th, 2008, 08:40 AM	#44
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Benjamin, you're not the first one to report the lines in EX1-via-component image; I must say I'm not seeing anything like it on my Fujitsu-Siemens monitor. __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

February 16th, 2008, 08:46 AM	#45
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	The component in on the DELL 2405 is awful. Like you said, playback from your computer will be FAR better. Also, using an SDI>DVI adaptor blows away the component input on the DELL.