Question for the Long Form Community...

Marj Atkins · November 13th, 2009, 12:25 AM

Sorry to reply so late - I have been out of it for some time now due to computers crashing round me.

This thread started out as a question for long form players and has developed into something else which at this point I will leave to all of you to work out.

However, to answer the question re DVD's - even if it is purely academic at this stage as no one here knows who will make the top five - I am happy in principle with the DV idea with a proviso - that if all else fails I can send a data DVD (via courier) to you to load onto your computer and to cut to DVD for me.

The reason: Firstly I have not had much success to date with sending a movie via ftp - seems to get lost somewhere in the ether so there is no guarantee I will succeed this time especially with such a big file; secondly, I cannot for some reason cut a 16:9 DVD for playing in a DVD player (I have tried on numerous occasions but it always turns out with the sides cuts off even though every possible setting I can find is set to 16:9.) and thirdly because I haven't had time to go into this problem I can't guarantee that I will be able to solve it within ten days after all this is over.

Marj

Catherine Russell · November 13th, 2009, 09:05 AM

Hi Meryem:

Is it possible we will have a final decision today as to the long form final format requirements?

Thank you,

Cat

Also, Is the deadline strictly on the 15th, or do we have a window of a few days starting on the 15th?

Dale Guthormsen · November 13th, 2009, 02:29 PM

Good afternoon,

to busy to go into any length here, working on the final edits and add ons at this time, If we consider there are going to be quite different lengths of various projects it does in fact make sense to have the parameters be set in bit rates as apposed to a set gigahertz value.
I can see I maight not even get submitted if it gets to complicated.

I liked the idea of sending a blu ray or dvd in.

As for posting on the uwolchallenge web site, just tell me what to do!!

Add on: I rendered my first 30 minutes (I have more to add yet) and after reducing the bit rate I ended up with 600 mb.

HUmmmmm???

Trond Saetre · November 14th, 2009, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marj Atkins

I cannot for some reason cut a 16:9 DVD for playing in a DVD player (I have tried on numerous occasions but it always turns out with the sides cuts off even though every possible setting I can find is set to 16:9.)

Marj, if you can't make the DVD in correct format, I'll be happy to help you. I only shoot/edit and make 16:9 DVD's all the time. (So far I am only doing DV and not HDV myself, but it shouldn't matter)

Marj Atkins · November 14th, 2009, 06:12 AM

Thanks so much for your offer Tronde , however, at this point in time no one knows who will make the top five. I am still trying to get my film finished never mind up to par. :}

Meryem Ersoz · November 14th, 2009, 08:48 AM

just sent round an email with final instructions...look for it, and shoot me an email if it doesn't get to you within the hour...

i'll be out working most of today, so you can always email each other, if you missed the email and forward it on to each other...i don't want anyone to miss out on precious time because the next four days are packed very tightly for me, until Wednesday.

Steve Siegel · November 14th, 2009, 04:34 PM

Mike or Mike,
Thanks so much for posting (or pointing to) compression suggestions, which I had not seen, being away from a computer for two weeks. Do either of you have an answer to the frame size vs file size question. I have read online that the frame size has nothing to do with the final file size. I have found that to be true sometimes, but at other times there seems to be a file size reduction proportional to the frame size reduction. Puzzling.

Mike Sims · November 14th, 2009, 07:22 PM

Hi Steve. I’m not sure why it works. My tests with PP2 and Squeeze support Mike’s findings. Perhaps the scaling and compression algorithms are more efficient when not used in tandem? (Marj is right. This thread has taken a left turn. Sorry Meryem.)

Steve Siegel · November 15th, 2009, 10:01 AM

Following Mike's directions, I was able to convert my 50 minute video to a 257MB file that looks and sounds good. The only changes I made were with the Quicktime part, which would have taken 24-30 hours to render. By using Adobe Media Encoder set to Windows Media 9, and mimicing Mike's settings, the product (750MB) was done in two hours (with two passes). By taking that to Wondershare Platinum (US$36.00), I was able to get a 257MB .mov file in another hour. If anyone wants details, e-mail me at oporornis@yahoo.com, or I will post them if there is larger interest.

November 13th, 2009, 02:29 PM	#33
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Good afternoon, to busy to go into any length here, working on the final edits and add ons at this time, If we consider there are going to be quite different lengths of various projects it does in fact make sense to have the parameters be set in bit rates as apposed to a set gigahertz value. I can see I maight not even get submitted if it gets to complicated. I liked the idea of sending a blu ray or dvd in. As for posting on the uwolchallenge web site, just tell me what to do!! Add on: I rendered my first 30 minutes (I have more to add yet) and after reducing the bit rate I ended up with 600 mb. HUmmmmm??? __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen Last edited by Dale Guthormsen; November 13th, 2009 at 06:54 PM.

November 13th, 2009, 12:25 AM	#31
Marj Atkins Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Johannesburg South Africa Posts: 768	Sorry to reply so late - I have been out of it for some time now due to computers crashing round me. This thread started out as a question for long form players and has developed into something else which at this point I will leave to all of you to work out. However, to answer the question re DVD's - even if it is purely academic at this stage as no one here knows who will make the top five - I am happy in principle with the DV idea with a proviso - that if all else fails I can send a data DVD (via courier) to you to load onto your computer and to cut to DVD for me. The reason: Firstly I have not had much success to date with sending a movie via ftp - seems to get lost somewhere in the ether so there is no guarantee I will succeed this time especially with such a big file; secondly, I cannot for some reason cut a 16:9 DVD for playing in a DVD player (I have tried on numerous occasions but it always turns out with the sides cuts off even though every possible setting I can find is set to 16:9.) and thirdly because I haven't had time to go into this problem I can't guarantee that I will be able to solve it within ten days after all this is over. Marj

November 13th, 2009, 09:05 AM	#32
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Hi Meryem: Is it possible we will have a final decision today as to the long form final format requirements? Thank you, Cat Also, Is the deadline strictly on the 15th, or do we have a window of a few days starting on the 15th?

November 14th, 2009, 06:12 AM	#35
Marj Atkins Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Johannesburg South Africa Posts: 768	Thanks so much for your offer Tronde , however, at this point in time no one knows who will make the top five. I am still trying to get my film finished never mind up to par. :}

November 14th, 2009, 08:48 AM	#36
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	just sent round an email with final instructions...look for it, and shoot me an email if it doesn't get to you within the hour... i'll be out working most of today, so you can always email each other, if you missed the email and forward it on to each other...i don't want anyone to miss out on precious time because the next four days are packed very tightly for me, until Wednesday.

November 14th, 2009, 04:34 PM	#37
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 840	Mike or Mike, Thanks so much for posting (or pointing to) compression suggestions, which I had not seen, being away from a computer for two weeks. Do either of you have an answer to the frame size vs file size question. I have read online that the frame size has nothing to do with the final file size. I have found that to be true sometimes, but at other times there seems to be a file size reduction proportional to the frame size reduction. Puzzling.

November 14th, 2009, 07:22 PM	#38
Mike Sims Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 880	Hi Steve. I’m not sure why it works. My tests with PP2 and Squeeze support Mike’s findings. Perhaps the scaling and compression algorithms are more efficient when not used in tandem? (Marj is right. This thread has taken a left turn. Sorry Meryem.)

November 15th, 2009, 10:01 AM	#39
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 840	Following Mike's directions, I was able to convert my 50 minute video to a 257MB file that looks and sounds good. The only changes I made were with the Quicktime part, which would have taken 24-30 hours to render. By using Adobe Media Encoder set to Windows Media 9, and mimicing Mike's settings, the product (750MB) was done in two hours (with two passes). By taking that to Wondershare Platinum (US$36.00), I was able to get a 257MB .mov file in another hour. If anyone wants details, e-mail me at oporornis@yahoo.com, or I will post them if there is larger interest.