UWOL #6 Theme Announcement...Take Your Best Shot!

Meryem Ersoz · November 2nd, 2007, 06:50 AM

we don't call it a Challenge for nothing, Daniel...

once the announcement is complete, we generally move the conversation over to this thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=107047

anyone who is struggling with the theme might want to jump over there, because i think that is where the tips and tricks are most likely to appear.

per johan has already nailed it with an astute observation--it's unlikely that you will be able to complete the Challenge without figuring out an original and creative external light source. it can be natural, it can be man-made.

Daniel Ross · November 2nd, 2007, 06:54 AM

I find this unrelated to working out the details and perfectly tied into the announcement, which is tied into the timeframe. This isn't something we can work around, nor find a solution for. It's simply a fact, a hindrance.
And, yes, it is a challenge.
As for what to do about it, we can certainly discuss lighting in the other thread.
I felt it was worth noting that we have no chance of using the moon, though, as that could be a very good option, at least as a base. Especially in that it gives some source for light, even if the rest was artificial; it gives a natural feel to the light, rather than no moon in the sky and for some odd reason animals you can see ;)

Meryem Ersoz · November 2nd, 2007, 07:01 AM

actually, i pointed it out partly to steer newcomers in the direction of the next step and partly because i thought some of the other players, new and old, could benefit from this info...the sooner we help each other figure out what to use for light sources, the better off the entire group will be.

Greg Boston · November 2nd, 2007, 07:26 AM

Wishing now that I had signed up, Meryem. The 64 frame accumulation mode on the F350 is perfectly suited to this. Combined with the interval recording mode, it makes for some awesome late night time lapses.

Good luck to everyone!

-gb-

Meryem Ersoz · November 2nd, 2007, 09:01 AM

hey greg, i've certainly begged enough favors off you during the development of this contest for you to be considered an honorary participant. if you want to post a non-compete entry, i would really love to see what your camera can do in these conditions, especially because i have a jones for the EX version...i'd love to have something that small with that kind of flexibility and awesome feature set. will the EX have that same 64-frame accumulation mode, do you know?

Steven Gotz · November 2nd, 2007, 09:14 AM

I live in a place that comes alive at night. Disney has fireworks every night. The castle lights up as does the world at Epcot. And Universal has lights and fireworks.

I will just have music issues since I am not allowed to use the background music that the camera captures. But, I am sure there is an inexpensive 1812 Overture out there someplace. Or, something like it.

Or, perhaps we will get a nice lightning storm!!!

Night? No problem (I hope).

Daniel Ross · November 4th, 2007, 05:26 PM

Ok, time for one more clarification.

Can we include let's say less than 10% footage NOT during the night? My immediate thought was including a sunset or sunrise, or perhaps the animals going to sleep, etc.

Open with the sunset, close with the sunrise? And have most of the footage/clip at night? Would that be acceptable?

I'm still planning ideas, and I'd guess other people may take this idea and run with it (go for it), so good to know either way.

If this is again in the wrong spot, sorry. I thought it was more appropriate than in the discussion/how-to thread. Move the post or direct me there if you'd prefer.

Bryce Comer · November 4th, 2007, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Ross

Ok, time for one more clarification.

Can we include let's say less than 10% footage NOT during the night? My immediate thought was including a sunset or sunrise, or perhaps the animals going to sleep, etc.

Open with the sunset, close with the sunrise? And have most of the footage/clip at night? Would that be acceptable?

I'm still planning ideas, and I'd guess other people may take this idea and run with it (go for it), so good to know either way.

If this is again in the wrong spot, sorry. I thought it was more appropriate than in the discussion/how-to thread. Move the post or direct me there if you'd prefer.

I hope it's acceptable, i was thinking the same thing!

Kevin Railsback · November 4th, 2007, 07:05 PM

As far as I know there's no "rule" that says so much of the film has to pertain to the theme.

I don't think there would be any problem in "setting the stage" like that.

Meryem gave her definition of what night was. How you work your film to interpret that is up to you.

Daniel Ross · November 4th, 2007, 07:07 PM

Ok, thanks, guys. Sounds like a relaxed interpretive approach. Fun. My idea may work after all.

Mat Thompson · November 4th, 2007, 07:09 PM

Guys.....you can include whatever you like! You will just do better with the judging if you stay 'on topic'. That said from what your saying I'd say it sounds absolutely fine and unless its all sunset/sunrise footage then you have no problems what so ever.

But remember you really can make this whatever you want within the rules laid down on the website http://www.uwolchallenge.com/contestrules.htm

edit : And what Kevin said :-) !

Meryem Ersoz · November 4th, 2007, 07:40 PM

ditto what mat and kevin already said! i'm going to go so far to say that, although "the majority" or "the bulk" or at least "some" of your film should be shot at night, it's also fine to incorporate other imagery. for instance, in my MAMMALS video, i had dragonflies and other scenics that were part of the setting for the mammals (prairie dogs and buffalo), but "the bulk" of the footage was directly related to the theme. keep it recognizable, if you can. and if you can't post it anyway, because of RULE #11, HAVE FUN.

and remember, there are ways to deal with the theme, in a nature and outdoorsy way, that require no night shots whatsoever. maybe you are doing a doc on interviewing people for their memories of being afraid of the dark. ok, so that's a lame example, but you get what i mean. just because NIGHT is the theme, does not even mean that you have to shoot at night, in an absolute sense. you are approaching the theme, it is a vehicle for your creativity, and every time we post a theme, part of the fun is seeing what interesting ways people approach it! the "wow-i-never-thought-of-it-that-way" factor is a big part of Rule #11....

Catherine Russell · November 9th, 2007, 08:54 PM

Wow Meryem:

It's all of what you just posted is why UWOL is so popular and #11 FUN! UWOL is an inspiration for creativity and becoming a cyclical way of life (for a couple of years or so) ....

We have got to plan a reunion somewhere in the world after 3 years of this!

Cat

Trond Saetre · November 10th, 2007, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catherine Russell

We have got to plan a reunion somewhere in the world after 3 years of this!
Cat

Oh noooo, do we have to wait until after 3 years??? haha
But yes, whenever it happens, I am really looking forward to it.
Hope most of us will have a chance to travel to wherever we deside to go.
I have already some plans if we end up with Norway.

Meryem Ersoz · November 10th, 2007, 09:30 AM

oh we are traveling all right, we are most definitely traveling!

future plans...the UWOL World Tour

and (Kevin's idea)

a meet-up at the Jackson Hole Wildlife Film Festival in 2009....

we have a bit of work just preparing for next year's rounds, but travel ideas are definitely on our radar screen....

November 2nd, 2007, 09:14 AM	#36
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	I live in a place that comes alive at night. Disney has fireworks every night. The castle lights up as does the world at Epcot. And Universal has lights and fireworks. I will just have music issues since I am not allowed to use the background music that the camera captures. But, I am sure there is an inexpensive 1812 Overture out there someplace. Or, something like it. Or, perhaps we will get a nice lightning storm!!! Night? No problem (I hope). __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

November 4th, 2007, 07:05 PM	#39
Kevin Railsback Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Posts: 1,544	As far as I know there's no "rule" that says so much of the film has to pertain to the theme. I don't think there would be any problem in "setting the stage" like that. Meryem gave her definition of what night was. How you work your film to interpret that is up to you. __________________ --==Kevin==-- http:naturephotostudios.com.com

November 2nd, 2007, 06:50 AM	#31
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	we don't call it a Challenge for nothing, Daniel... once the announcement is complete, we generally move the conversation over to this thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=107047 anyone who is struggling with the theme might want to jump over there, because i think that is where the tips and tricks are most likely to appear. per johan has already nailed it with an astute observation--it's unlikely that you will be able to complete the Challenge without figuring out an original and creative external light source. it can be natural, it can be man-made.

November 2nd, 2007, 06:54 AM	#32
Daniel Ross Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Marin & Davis, CA, USA Posts: 418	I find this unrelated to working out the details and perfectly tied into the announcement, which is tied into the timeframe. This isn't something we can work around, nor find a solution for. It's simply a fact, a hindrance. And, yes, it is a challenge. As for what to do about it, we can certainly discuss lighting in the other thread. I felt it was worth noting that we have no chance of using the moon, though, as that could be a very good option, at least as a base. Especially in that it gives some source for light, even if the rest was artificial; it gives a natural feel to the light, rather than no moon in the sky and for some odd reason animals you can see ;)

November 2nd, 2007, 07:01 AM	#33
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	actually, i pointed it out partly to steer newcomers in the direction of the next step and partly because i thought some of the other players, new and old, could benefit from this info...the sooner we help each other figure out what to use for light sources, the better off the entire group will be.

November 2nd, 2007, 07:26 AM	#34
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Wishing now that I had signed up, Meryem. The 64 frame accumulation mode on the F350 is perfectly suited to this. Combined with the interval recording mode, it makes for some awesome late night time lapses. Good luck to everyone! -gb-

November 2nd, 2007, 09:01 AM	#35
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	hey greg, i've certainly begged enough favors off you during the development of this contest for you to be considered an honorary participant. if you want to post a non-compete entry, i would really love to see what your camera can do in these conditions, especially because i have a jones for the EX version...i'd love to have something that small with that kind of flexibility and awesome feature set. will the EX have that same 64-frame accumulation mode, do you know?

November 4th, 2007, 05:26 PM	#37
Daniel Ross Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Marin & Davis, CA, USA Posts: 418	Ok, time for one more clarification. Can we include let's say less than 10% footage NOT during the night? My immediate thought was including a sunset or sunrise, or perhaps the animals going to sleep, etc. Open with the sunset, close with the sunrise? And have most of the footage/clip at night? Would that be acceptable? I'm still planning ideas, and I'd guess other people may take this idea and run with it (go for it), so good to know either way. If this is again in the wrong spot, sorry. I thought it was more appropriate than in the discussion/how-to thread. Move the post or direct me there if you'd prefer.

November 4th, 2007, 07:07 PM	#40
Daniel Ross Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Marin & Davis, CA, USA Posts: 418	Ok, thanks, guys. Sounds like a relaxed interpretive approach. Fun. My idea may work after all.

November 4th, 2007, 07:09 PM	#41
Mat Thompson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,397	Guys.....you can include whatever you like! You will just do better with the judging if you stay 'on topic'. That said from what your saying I'd say it sounds absolutely fine and unless its all sunset/sunrise footage then you have no problems what so ever. But remember you really can make this whatever you want within the rules laid down on the website http://www.uwolchallenge.com/contestrules.htm edit : And what Kevin said :-) !

November 4th, 2007, 07:40 PM	#42
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	ditto what mat and kevin already said! i'm going to go so far to say that, although "the majority" or "the bulk" or at least "some" of your film should be shot at night, it's also fine to incorporate other imagery. for instance, in my MAMMALS video, i had dragonflies and other scenics that were part of the setting for the mammals (prairie dogs and buffalo), but "the bulk" of the footage was directly related to the theme. keep it recognizable, if you can. and if you can't post it anyway, because of RULE #11, HAVE FUN. and remember, there are ways to deal with the theme, in a nature and outdoorsy way, that require no night shots whatsoever. maybe you are doing a doc on interviewing people for their memories of being afraid of the dark. ok, so that's a lame example, but you get what i mean. just because NIGHT is the theme, does not even mean that you have to shoot at night, in an absolute sense. you are approaching the theme, it is a vehicle for your creativity, and every time we post a theme, part of the fun is seeing what interesting ways people approach it! the "wow-i-never-thought-of-it-that-way" factor is a big part of Rule #11....

November 9th, 2007, 08:54 PM	#43
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Wow Meryem: It's all of what you just posted is why UWOL is so popular and #11 FUN! UWOL is an inspiration for creativity and becoming a cyclical way of life (for a couple of years or so) .... We have got to plan a reunion somewhere in the world after 3 years of this! Cat

November 10th, 2007, 09:30 AM	#45
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	oh we are traveling all right, we are most definitely traveling! future plans...the UWOL World Tour and (Kevin's idea) a meet-up at the Jackson Hole Wildlife Film Festival in 2009.... we have a bit of work just preparing for next year's rounds, but travel ideas are definitely on our radar screen....