Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 at DVinfo.net

Kakhaber Mshvidobadze · July 1st, 2011, 08:27 AM

hello everyone, i am a newbie in wildlife, i have a project during 1.5 year, and this project is about Georgian sheep dog. i need to shooting wild wolf in the forest. i have a question is 80-200 enough or i need longer lens? and th esecond question is about camera is EX3 ok for HD broadcasting company such as for example BBC, national geographic, animal planet and etc.?

thank you

Bo Skelmose · July 1st, 2011, 08:39 AM

Hi
I have no idear how close you can get to the wolves but if they are wild wolves I would say you would need a longer lens like a Sigma 120-300 mm. Maybe someone in here with experience in filming wolves.

Kakhaber Mshvidobadze · July 1st, 2011, 11:50 AM

thank for reply

i think we will get about 100meter or less may be 60meter.

Cees van Kempen · July 2nd, 2011, 12:24 PM

A very nice addition would be a nikon 300/4.0 which is about the same size as the 80-200 (so not too big) and gives you that extra tele. Gives very good quality images, in my opinion even better than the 80-200.

The bitrate of 35 mbps of the EX3 is not accepted by the BBC. If you capture on an external device like a nanoflash, the combination is approved by the BBC. If you use at least 50 mbps, or 100 mbps for I-Frame Only codecs. I use the EX3 with nanoflash and it is an excellent combination.

Kakhaber Mshvidobadze · July 3rd, 2011, 02:23 AM

50mbps or more is for BBC and what about national geographic or animal planet? thank you

Cees van Kempen · July 3rd, 2011, 04:11 AM

I don't know about these channels. Maybe someone else does. Also try to search their websites. I did for BBC and they have clearly stated their demands publicly.

Kakhaber Mshvidobadze · July 4th, 2011, 10:49 AM

what about combination Sony Ex3 and canon 5D markII? :) is it ok or better just with EX3 + nanoflash?

Kakhaber Mshvidobadze · July 6th, 2011, 08:45 AM

i have one more question, tomorrow morning i am going to buy nikon 80-200 (Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 AF) lens, i have a question may be beter to buy new 80-200 (Will Nikon replace the D90 with a new D7000 later this month? | Outlet Photography i need crop factor about 5.6 or more...

and next question, is it usefull to use this lens with follow focus or may be better use it without FF during filming wildlife.

Ronald Jackson · July 6th, 2011, 08:59 AM

I think you'll lose auto-focus/follow focus with this lens on an EX3. Have you considered a Nikon 80-400?

Used quite a lot by wildlife video-photographers.

Ron

Kakhaber Mshvidobadze · July 6th, 2011, 09:16 AM

thank you for reply, but i think that f4.5-5.6 is too slow for sunrise and sunset, i must filming wolve early morning and in the evening. am i right that is is too slow?

Bo Skelmose · July 6th, 2011, 04:22 PM

Hi
You have to consider those things too. Be shure you have an iris ring on the lens you buy - the one in your link seems to have. Most lenses you buy today do not have an iris ring to manually control the iris ! You have to take of the lens and put it on a nikon camera to set the iris and then try it back on the EX 3 - I would say that this is imposible to work with in the real life.
Adaptimax makes an adapter where you can control the iris with a screw though the side of the adapter - this will work but it is not as easy as having an iris ring.
Remember - nothing is automatic when putting a nikon lens on an adapter on EX3.

Do not go for anything less than 2,8

I am used to use bigger cameraes and when I got my EX 3 and nikon lenses, I could not get used to the focus control as focus works different from brodacast lenses - far and near focus works opposite...
Sigma lenses works as broadcast B4 mount lenses and I had to buy Sigma too, to make it work for me.

Steve Siegel · July 8th, 2011, 04:16 PM

I use a Nikon 80-400 zoom with the EX3. Unless it is really dark, the lens works fine at sunrise or sunset.
A 2.8 lens would be really expensive, and I've never heard of a 2.8 telezoom. Mike Tapa (MTS industries) in London makes an adapter for Nikon lenses on the EX3. You can use the manual iris ring on the lens without removing it from the camera. Makes it very easy. 150 Sterling.

Ronald Jackson · July 8th, 2011, 11:14 PM

What's the quality like Steve? I use an XLH1. Never too keen on my Canon 100-400 particularly at 300-400 and Mike Tapa does an adaptor Nikon-Canon EF.

Currently using (new) Canon 70-300L and Canon 400 F5.6 which nice but would prefer the one zoom lens if quality okay.

Also use a Sigma 500 F4.5 which v good but needs rails.

Hardly ever feel the need for fast lenses as nearly always have to use ND filters to keep lenses a couple of stops away from wide open which seems to give best results for video, noting my fixed 50th second shutter speed.

Ron

Kakhaber Mshvidobadze · July 9th, 2011, 06:50 AM

thank you guys, i bough nikon 80-200 f2.8, iris ring is outside :) so i can control it by mysef, i am waiting for MTF adapter for nikon lens :) i think i will be work. when i will make some tests i put them here.

Steve Siegel · July 9th, 2011, 03:15 PM

Ron,

I hate to say it, as a long-time XLH1 user, but the Sony image is better. I made the switch when my Canon tape drive bit the dust. The EX3 has a broader range of adjustments for gamma, so I am burning out less in the highlights. The EX3 also records at 35mbps as opposed to the XLH1 at 25mbps, which makes some difference as well, and you get real HD instead of the faux HDV of Canon. The biggest problems with the Sony, as opposed to the Canon is a crop factor of 5 instead of 7, and the solid state media. As much as people rave about "I don't have to fool around with tape any more", nothing beats the convenience and security of slipping out the old tape and slipping in a new one. You don't have to worry about did you copy everything before reformatting a card for reuse.

July 1st, 2011, 08:27 AM	#1
Kakhaber Mshvidobadze New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia Posts: 21	Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 hello everyone, i am a newbie in wildlife, i have a project during 1.5 year, and this project is about Georgian sheep dog. i need to shooting wild wolf in the forest. i have a question is 80-200 enough or i need longer lens? and th esecond question is about camera is EX3 ok for HD broadcasting company such as for example BBC, national geographic, animal planet and etc.? thank you

July 1st, 2011, 08:39 AM	#2
Bo Skelmose Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 495	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 Hi I have no idear how close you can get to the wolves but if they are wild wolves I would say you would need a longer lens like a Sigma 120-300 mm. Maybe someone in here with experience in filming wolves.

July 1st, 2011, 11:50 AM	#3
Kakhaber Mshvidobadze New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia Posts: 21	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 thank for reply i think we will get about 100meter or less may be 60meter.

July 2nd, 2011, 12:24 PM	#4
Cees van Kempen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nieuw-Vossemeer, The Netherlands Posts: 455	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 A very nice addition would be a nikon 300/4.0 which is about the same size as the 80-200 (so not too big) and gives you that extra tele. Gives very good quality images, in my opinion even better than the 80-200. The bitrate of 35 mbps of the EX3 is not accepted by the BBC. If you capture on an external device like a nanoflash, the combination is approved by the BBC. If you use at least 50 mbps, or 100 mbps for I-Frame Only codecs. I use the EX3 with nanoflash and it is an excellent combination.

July 3rd, 2011, 02:23 AM	#5
Kakhaber Mshvidobadze New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia Posts: 21	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 50mbps or more is for BBC and what about national geographic or animal planet? thank you

July 3rd, 2011, 04:11 AM	#6
Cees van Kempen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nieuw-Vossemeer, The Netherlands Posts: 455	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 I don't know about these channels. Maybe someone else does. Also try to search their websites. I did for BBC and they have clearly stated their demands publicly.

July 4th, 2011, 10:49 AM	#7
Kakhaber Mshvidobadze New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia Posts: 21	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 what about combination Sony Ex3 and canon 5D markII? :) is it ok or better just with EX3 + nanoflash?

July 6th, 2011, 08:45 AM	#8
Kakhaber Mshvidobadze New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia Posts: 21	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 i have one more question, tomorrow morning i am going to buy nikon 80-200 (Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 AF) lens, i have a question may be beter to buy new 80-200 (Will Nikon replace the D90 with a new D7000 later this month? \| Outlet Photography i need crop factor about 5.6 or more... and next question, is it usefull to use this lens with follow focus or may be better use it without FF during filming wildlife.

July 6th, 2011, 08:59 AM	#9
Ronald Jackson Major Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southport, United Kingdom Posts: 723	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 I think you'll lose auto-focus/follow focus with this lens on an EX3. Have you considered a Nikon 80-400? Used quite a lot by wildlife video-photographers. Ron

July 6th, 2011, 09:16 AM	#10
Kakhaber Mshvidobadze New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia Posts: 21	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 thank you for reply, but i think that f4.5-5.6 is too slow for sunrise and sunset, i must filming wolve early morning and in the evening. am i right that is is too slow?

July 6th, 2011, 04:22 PM	#11
Bo Skelmose Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 495	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 Hi You have to consider those things too. Be shure you have an iris ring on the lens you buy - the one in your link seems to have. Most lenses you buy today do not have an iris ring to manually control the iris ! You have to take of the lens and put it on a nikon camera to set the iris and then try it back on the EX 3 - I would say that this is imposible to work with in the real life. Adaptimax makes an adapter where you can control the iris with a screw though the side of the adapter - this will work but it is not as easy as having an iris ring. Remember - nothing is automatic when putting a nikon lens on an adapter on EX3. Do not go for anything less than 2,8 I am used to use bigger cameraes and when I got my EX 3 and nikon lenses, I could not get used to the focus control as focus works different from brodacast lenses - far and near focus works opposite... Sigma lenses works as broadcast B4 mount lenses and I had to buy Sigma too, to make it work for me.

July 8th, 2011, 04:16 PM	#12
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 840	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 I use a Nikon 80-400 zoom with the EX3. Unless it is really dark, the lens works fine at sunrise or sunset. A 2.8 lens would be really expensive, and I've never heard of a 2.8 telezoom. Mike Tapa (MTS industries) in London makes an adapter for Nikon lenses on the EX3. You can use the manual iris ring on the lens without removing it from the camera. Makes it very easy. 150 Sterling.

July 8th, 2011, 11:14 PM	#13
Ronald Jackson Major Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southport, United Kingdom Posts: 723	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 What's the quality like Steve? I use an XLH1. Never too keen on my Canon 100-400 particularly at 300-400 and Mike Tapa does an adaptor Nikon-Canon EF. Currently using (new) Canon 70-300L and Canon 400 F5.6 which nice but would prefer the one zoom lens if quality okay. Also use a Sigma 500 F4.5 which v good but needs rails. Hardly ever feel the need for fast lenses as nearly always have to use ND filters to keep lenses a couple of stops away from wide open which seems to give best results for video, noting my fixed 50th second shutter speed. Ron

July 9th, 2011, 06:50 AM	#14
Kakhaber Mshvidobadze New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia Posts: 21	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 thank you guys, i bough nikon 80-200 f2.8, iris ring is outside :) so i can control it by mysef, i am waiting for MTF adapter for nikon lens :) i think i will be work. when i will make some tests i put them here.

July 9th, 2011, 03:15 PM	#15
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 840	Re: Wildlife with EX3 and Nikon 80-200 Ron, I hate to say it, as a long-time XLH1 user, but the Sony image is better. I made the switch when my Canon tape drive bit the dust. The EX3 has a broader range of adjustments for gamma, so I am burning out less in the highlights. The EX3 also records at 35mbps as opposed to the XLH1 at 25mbps, which makes some difference as well, and you get real HD instead of the faux HDV of Canon. The biggest problems with the Sony, as opposed to the Canon is a crop factor of 5 instead of 7, and the solid state media. As much as people rave about "I don't have to fool around with tape any more", nothing beats the convenience and security of slipping out the old tape and slipping in a new one. You don't have to worry about did you copy everything before reformatting a card for reuse.