Z1 / FX1 tripod recommendation

Matt Davis · April 19th, 2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff

they cannot access the full range of zoom speeds on these cameras unfortunately.

Here's one that I think does:

http://www.bebob.de/international/zoe-III_eng.html

Albeit not having all the speeds all the time. The little thumbwheel at the side kind of gears its range up and down a wider scale. Not usually a problem, just means finding the right range whilst you set up.

When I get some time, will try your 'slowest ever Z1 zoom' timings, but I've definately prefer the Bebob over the rocker.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · April 20th, 2006, 01:46 AM

I've been using the Shot Transition feature a lot recently for slow, controlled zooms - especially accross artwork and photographs.
It's got a great feature of being able to choose a ramp up-and -down to the zoom as well.
Did you guys realise that you can also change ALL the controls (focus, zoom, gain, colour balance etc )from A to B? (not that I'm sure where or when you'd need all those controls to change...)

Robin

Boyd Ostroff · April 20th, 2006, 07:24 AM

I don't think any controllers will allow you to access the slow zoom on the Z1/FX1. See the response from Tom McKay at Varizoom in the thread I linked above. But by all means do some tests and please post the results to that thread. If the BeBob will give me a slow zoom I'll probably buy one.

Robin, I haven't used the shot transition much but when I looked before my recollection is that the slowest zoom possible is 22 seconds, like the handle zoom and LANC speed. That is just not acceptable for event work where you need something subtle.

But I'd love to be proven wrong! If you can figure out a way to make this work please let me know. However, I don't think shot transition is going to be a practical alternative for event shooting on the fly....

Jim Thompson · April 22nd, 2006, 09:19 AM

I have two Z1s and I have two Sachtler tripods (DV2II head and DA75/2 legs). I had a GL1 prior and had an inexpensive tripod---I'll never make that mistake again. Go with the very best head and tripod you can afford. You will be amazed at the difference. JimT
PS Here is B and H link:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

Jeremy Rochefort · April 22nd, 2006, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff

I don't think any controllers will allow you to access the slow zoom on the Z1/FX1. See the response from Tom McKay at Varizoom in the thread I linked above. But by all means do some tests and please post the results to that thread. If the BeBob will give me a slow zoom I'll probably buy one.

Robin, I haven't used the shot transition much but when I looked before my recollection is that the slowest zoom possible is 22 seconds, like the handle zoom and LANC speed. That is just not acceptable for event work where you need something subtle.

But I'd love to be proven wrong! If you can figure out a way to make this work please let me know. However, I don't think shot transition is going to be a practical alternative for event shooting on the fly....

Boyd

Now it seems I have something unique on my hands!!! I checked your post using the LANC and Varizoom and it didn't make sense to me from what I remembered from my own Z1.

I just did a test a few minutes ago with VZ stealth LANC controller and this is what I get:
Z1 - slowest I get from the controller is about 58secs!! I kid you not!!
FX1 - here's the funny part - I get about 24 secs??????

There must be something in the Z1 or in the controller which is unique - lol. I'm just smiling at this moment.

Maybe Tom can throw some light as to why its like this. BTW, mines a Z1E - don't know if it makes a difference - FX1E as well.

I definitely want to check this against another Z1E

Martin Mayer · April 22nd, 2006, 12:32 PM

Hmm... slowest I can get with Z1E+Bebob Zoe = 24 sec
and slowest I can get with Z1E+VZStealth = ......24 sec!

Jeremy Rochefort · April 22nd, 2006, 12:47 PM

Thats what is so weird about this one!.

I must add that the camera went to Sony for repairs (I had dropped the cam from scaffolding after the twit gaffer forgot to tie down the lats) so maybe they tweaked/changed/added firmware or something.

One thing is a cert - I ain't letting this one go in a hurry!!!!

Michael Hendrix · June 26th, 2006, 02:30 PM

Hello everyone! I have been working in broadcast for 13 years and with the prices of HDV cameras becoming more affordable, I am researching cameras to make a purchase for freelance work that I do. My question is, I have a older CSI tripod with a good fluid head on it. Right now it has a standard Sony tripod plate for broadcast cameras.

What tripod plate does the Z1U use and how does everyone adapt the Z1U to a professional tripod?

Unfortunately, the online brochures or manuals say nothing about tripod mounts.

Thanks.

Boyd Ostroff · June 26th, 2006, 03:49 PM

Welcome to DVinfo Michael! The Z1 has a a hole for a standard 1/4-20 threaded tripod screw and a smaller unthreaded hole in front of it for a locating pin (to keep it from twisting). So in other words, the tripod mount on the Z1 is exactly the same as all the other small camcorders on the market; no special plate is needed.

Unfortunately I'm not really familiar with the large broadcast camera mounting plates, so I'm not exactly sure what you would need to adapt. Do they use 3/8" screws perhaps?

Michael Hendrix · June 27th, 2006, 06:53 AM

Thanks Boyd. It's actually a plate that slides into the tripod head and locks. I am just not sure if I need to find a special plate that fits Z1U and the tripod.

I am looking at purchasing the Z1U if a project goes through and by the time I get the camera to the time I start shooting is a only a few days. So I am trying to prepare to order everything I absolutely need to get me throught the first shoot.

As a side note, this forum is a invaluable resource. I have been using it for a lot of research in preperation for my shoot.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · June 27th, 2006, 08:29 AM

is there not a scew/s coming out of the sliding plate? There ought to be, since it can then be attached to the camera. As Boyd said, you'll need a standard 1/4-20 thread screw for the Z1...

Robin

Mack Fisher · June 27th, 2006, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Davies-Rollinson

is there not a scew/s coming out of the sliding plate? There ought to be, since it can then be attached to the camera. As Boyd said, you'll need a standard 1/4-20 thread screw for the Z1...

Robin

broadcast cameras mount differently, you have adapt for the the shoulder mount on most of the broadcast cameras, its not not flat bottom.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · June 27th, 2006, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack Fisher

broadcast cameras mount differently, you have adapt for the the shoulder mount on most of the broadcast cameras, its not not flat bottom.

Of course, but there is still an interface between the long plate that bridges the shoulder mount - this is the piece that comes with the head always and will have screws to screw into the bridging plate...

Robin

Michael Hendrix · July 11th, 2006, 01:51 PM

I have sort of rigged my Z1U for my tripod. Basically I screwed the plate that usually mounts to the quick release plate straight into the camera, but I have to leave this mounted. Do they make a quick release plate for the Z1U?

Jack D. Hubbard · July 11th, 2006, 01:57 PM

I use a quick release from Videosmith. I have used it on a TRV 900, PD150/170,FX1 and ZI.

http://www.videosmith.com/shop/

April 22nd, 2006, 09:19 AM	#19
Jim Thompson New Boot Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6	Tripod I have two Z1s and I have two Sachtler tripods (DV2II head and DA75/2 legs). I had a GL1 prior and had an inexpensive tripod---I'll never make that mistake again. Go with the very best head and tripod you can afford. You will be amazed at the difference. JimT PS Here is B and H link: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

April 22nd, 2006, 12:32 PM	#21
Martin Mayer Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 416	Hmm... slowest I can get with Z1E+Bebob Zoe = 24 sec and slowest I can get with Z1E+VZStealth = ......24 sec! __________________ Martin at HeadSpin HD on Blu-ray

April 22nd, 2006, 12:47 PM	#22
Jeremy Rochefort Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cape Town, SA Posts: 159	Thats what is so weird about this one!. I must add that the camera went to Sony for repairs (I had dropped the cam from scaffolding after the twit gaffer forgot to tie down the lats) so maybe they tweaked/changed/added firmware or something. One thing is a cert - I ain't letting this one go in a hurry!!!! __________________ MJ Productions Never let the need for money outweigh the need for Quality, Friendly and Professional Service

June 26th, 2006, 02:30 PM	#23
Michael Hendrix Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 69	Z1U Tripod mount Hello everyone! I have been working in broadcast for 13 years and with the prices of HDV cameras becoming more affordable, I am researching cameras to make a purchase for freelance work that I do. My question is, I have a older CSI tripod with a good fluid head on it. Right now it has a standard Sony tripod plate for broadcast cameras. What tripod plate does the Z1U use and how does everyone adapt the Z1U to a professional tripod? Unfortunately, the online brochures or manuals say nothing about tripod mounts. Thanks.

July 11th, 2006, 01:57 PM	#30
Jack D. Hubbard Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Menlo Park, CA Posts: 342	Videosmith I use a quick release from Videosmith. I have used it on a TRV 900, PD150/170,FX1 and ZI. http://www.videosmith.com/shop/

April 20th, 2006, 01:46 AM	#17
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	I've been using the Shot Transition feature a lot recently for slow, controlled zooms - especially accross artwork and photographs. It's got a great feature of being able to choose a ramp up-and -down to the zoom as well. Did you guys realise that you can also change ALL the controls (focus, zoom, gain, colour balance etc )from A to B? (not that I'm sure where or when you'd need all those controls to change...) Robin

April 20th, 2006, 07:24 AM	#18
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	I don't think any controllers will allow you to access the slow zoom on the Z1/FX1. See the response from Tom McKay at Varizoom in the thread I linked above. But by all means do some tests and please post the results to that thread. If the BeBob will give me a slow zoom I'll probably buy one. Robin, I haven't used the shot transition much but when I looked before my recollection is that the slowest zoom possible is 22 seconds, like the handle zoom and LANC speed. That is just not acceptable for event work where you need something subtle. But I'd love to be proven wrong! If you can figure out a way to make this work please let me know. However, I don't think shot transition is going to be a practical alternative for event shooting on the fly....

June 26th, 2006, 03:49 PM	#24
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Welcome to DVinfo Michael! The Z1 has a a hole for a standard 1/4-20 threaded tripod screw and a smaller unthreaded hole in front of it for a locating pin (to keep it from twisting). So in other words, the tripod mount on the Z1 is exactly the same as all the other small camcorders on the market; no special plate is needed. Unfortunately I'm not really familiar with the large broadcast camera mounting plates, so I'm not exactly sure what you would need to adapt. Do they use 3/8" screws perhaps?

June 27th, 2006, 06:53 AM	#25
Michael Hendrix Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 69	Thanks Boyd. It's actually a plate that slides into the tripod head and locks. I am just not sure if I need to find a special plate that fits Z1U and the tripod. I am looking at purchasing the Z1U if a project goes through and by the time I get the camera to the time I start shooting is a only a few days. So I am trying to prepare to order everything I absolutely need to get me throught the first shoot. As a side note, this forum is a invaluable resource. I have been using it for a lot of research in preperation for my shoot.

June 27th, 2006, 08:29 AM	#26
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	is there not a scew/s coming out of the sliding plate? There ought to be, since it can then be attached to the camera. As Boyd said, you'll need a standard 1/4-20 thread screw for the Z1... Robin

July 11th, 2006, 01:51 PM	#29
Michael Hendrix Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 69	I have sort of rigged my Z1U for my tripod. Basically I screwed the plate that usually mounts to the quick release plate straight into the camera, but I have to leave this mounted. Do they make a quick release plate for the Z1U?