Before I buy: Manfrotto 504HD or Sachtler FSB-4? (for Canon 7D) at DVinfo.net

Ben Tolosa · September 29th, 2010, 08:07 PM

Hi all,

I narrowed it down to these two systems:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/683563-REG/Manfrotto_504HD_546BK_504HD_Head_w_546B_2_Stage.html
and...

Sachtler 0372 FSB-4 Aluminum Tripod System 0372 - B&H Photo

I am going to be using this with a Canon 7D for short films. I was about to go with the Manfrotto, but a few people told me: Wait a minute, did you think about the FSB-4?

And since this is a hefty investment for me, I would like to read your take on these two systems before I place my order.

What do you guys think about these two? Specially about the heads, but I am going to most likelly get on of these two 'kits' since fiber legs will be a bit too much for my budget.

Which one? Why? Pros, Cons, Differences, all is welcome!

Thanks very much guys!

Bonus Track: If you happen to know: Will any or both of these two legs work with the dolly bellow?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/553954-REG/Manfrotto_114_114_Heavy_Duty_Cine_Video.html

Richard D. George · September 29th, 2010, 08:37 PM

No further comment.

Chris Soucy · September 29th, 2010, 11:21 PM

Well, first off, putting a Manfrotto rig up against a Sachtler is a no brainer, the Sachtler will win hands down every time.

You pay for it though.

An alternative that MAY be worth looking at is this:

Review: Vinten Vision Blue at DVInfo.net

tho' you're paying a damn sight more for the priviledge, and it is a priviledge, it's damn good, and will wipe the floor with either of the other two offerings.

Having read the reviews of the Sachtler I'd say this (the Vinten) is miles better for your intended purpose and not one you'll regret if you can ready up the ponies.

BTW, the dolly you will need with any standard single or twin spike Manfrotto, Sachtler OR Vinten is the 114MV if you want to go heavy - it's quite a beast in it's own right and usually only used for jib platform support (I have one).

You may want to pick something a tad less agricultural for general tripod support dollying, there are quite a few by Manfrotto (and others) that have the ubiquitous "thong" fixing for single/ double spike feet.

CS

Ben Tolosa · October 1st, 2010, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Soucy

Well, first off, putting a Manfrotto rig up against a Sachtler is a no brainer, the Sachtler will win hands down every time.

You pay for it though.

An alternative that MAY be worth looking at is this:

Review: Vinten Vision Blue at DVInfo.net

tho' you're paying a damn sight more for the priviledge, and it is a priviledge, it's damn good, and will wipe the floor with either of the other two offerings.

Having read the reviews of the Sachtler I'd say this (the Vinten) is miles better for your intended purpose and not one you'll regret if you can ready up the ponies.

BTW, the dolly you will need with any standard single or twin spike Manfrotto, Sachtler OR Vinten is the 114MV if you want to go heavy - it's quite a beast in it's own right and usually only used for jib platform support (I have one).

You may want to pick something a tad less agricultural for general tripod support dollying, there are quite a few by Manfrotto (and others) that have the ubiquitous "thong" fixing for single/ double spike feet.

CS

Hi Chris,

Thank you for introducing me with the Vision Blue alternative. I read the article/review and I really liked it. However, it is a little bit over my budget. I have about 700 bucks and I was going to get the Manfrotto 504HD; but after reading several reviews I have chosen the Sachtler FSB-4. I looked at the FSB-6 but I have the impression it is not worth (for me and my need) the extra money. On the pictures of both, they looks EXACTLY the same, but with 2 nobs on a different color tone.

At any rate, thanks much for you advice tough!!

Dan Asseff · October 1st, 2010, 07:06 PM

I have the sb4 and the sb6. I like the sb6 better, but I have a bigger camera. The sb6 is smoother for really slow pans. I think you will be very happy with the sb4.

Dan
Forever Moments Video Productions

Gabe Spangler · October 1st, 2010, 09:59 PM

I think you always want to future-proof your tripod. The FSB-4 only has a load capacity of 8.8 lbs. That is very low. I have a 7D rig and I have a DV 12 SB, which has a load capacity of 2-30 lbs. You may not have a heavy setup now, but if you start outfitting that 7D with rails, matte box, monitor, etc., it will be way more than 8.8 lbs. Also, what if you buy a new camera, then you have a $900 tripod that isn't up to the job. You should really be paying at least what you payed for your camera setup. You should have at least a $2,000 tripod setup.

My advice: Don't do it. Get something better, or rent. You will use your FSB-4 for a year and then regret having bought it. Camera support is more important than the camera itself. Just my opinion.

Barbara Jaumann · October 2nd, 2010, 05:46 AM

You should take a look at the new Sachtler Cine DSLR head (www.sachtler.com). It has more payload than the FSB 4 and a special DSLR camera plate.

Chris Soucy · October 2nd, 2010, 09:51 PM

What an interesting looking rig.

You haven't got one going spare I can do a review on, have you?

I'm sure it would make fascinating reading (and a fascinating piece of kit to play with as well).

Anyone else vote for a decent DVinfo review?

CS

Ben Tolosa · October 2nd, 2010, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Asseff

I have the sb4 and the sb6. I like the sb6 better, but I have a bigger camera. The sb6 is smoother for really slow pans. I think you will be very happy with the sb4.

Dan
Forever Moments Video Productions

Thank you for sharing your experience Dan. I like the SB6 but the SB4 will do for now I guess. Barbara mentioned a very interesting one. But I can't find where to buy it or how much it costs.
It is not in B&H...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe Spangler

I think you always want to future-proof your tripod. The FSB-4 only has a load capacity of 8.8 lbs. That is very low. I have a 7D rig and I have a DV 12 SB, which has a load capacity of 2-30 lbs. You may not have a heavy setup now, but if you start outfitting that 7D with rails, matte box, monitor, etc., it will be way more than 8.8 lbs. Also, what if you buy a new camera, then you have a $900 tripod that isn't up to the job. You should really be paying at least what you payed for your camera setup. You should have at least a $2,000 tripod setup.

My advice: Don't do it. Get something better, or rent. You will use your FSB-4 for a year and then regret having bought it. Camera support is more important than the camera itself. Just my opinion.

Gabe,

It is a great advice. Just my budget does not allowed me to go that far. I would like to know how much it that new 'Cine DSLR' tough...

Thank you for your advice Gabe!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbara Jaumann

You should take a look at the new Sachtler Cine DSLR head (www.sachtler.com). It has more payload than the FSB 4 and a special DSLR camera plate.

Hi Barbara,

That look like the best option for my need. It is I cannot find anywhere how much it costs. So, I do not know if it fits my budget. The do not have it at B&H... :(

But I appreciate the tip :)

Ed Roo · October 11th, 2010, 12:46 PM

Other than the price points, just how do these manufacturer's products differ?

Manfrotto
Gitzo
Sactler
Vinten

All four are owned by the Vitec Group.

Is there any 'sharing' of technology within the groups?

September 29th, 2010, 08:07 PM	#1
Ben Tolosa Major Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Hartford, VT Posts: 201	Before I buy: Manfrotto 504HD or Sachtler FSB-4? (for Canon 7D) Hi all, I narrowed it down to these two systems: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/683563-REG/Manfrotto_504HD_546BK_504HD_Head_w_546B_2_Stage.html and... Sachtler 0372 FSB-4 Aluminum Tripod System 0372 - B&H Photo I am going to be using this with a Canon 7D for short films. I was about to go with the Manfrotto, but a few people told me: Wait a minute, did you think about the FSB-4? And since this is a hefty investment for me, I would like to read your take on these two systems before I place my order. What do you guys think about these two? Specially about the heads, but I am going to most likelly get on of these two 'kits' since fiber legs will be a bit too much for my budget. Which one? Why? Pros, Cons, Differences, all is welcome! Thanks very much guys! Bonus Track: If you happen to know: Will any or both of these two legs work with the dolly bellow? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/553954-REG/Manfrotto_114_114_Heavy_Duty_Cine_Video.html

September 29th, 2010, 11:21 PM	#3
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,691 Images: 18	Hi, Ben............... Well, first off, putting a Manfrotto rig up against a Sachtler is a no brainer, the Sachtler will win hands down every time. You pay for it though. An alternative that MAY be worth looking at is this: Review: Vinten Vision Blue at DVInfo.net tho' you're paying a damn sight more for the priviledge, and it is a priviledge, it's damn good, and will wipe the floor with either of the other two offerings. Having read the reviews of the Sachtler I'd say this (the Vinten) is miles better for your intended purpose and not one you'll regret if you can ready up the ponies. BTW, the dolly you will need with any standard single or twin spike Manfrotto, Sachtler OR Vinten is the 114MV if you want to go heavy - it's quite a beast in it's own right and usually only used for jib platform support (I have one). You may want to pick something a tad less agricultural for general tripod support dollying, there are quite a few by Manfrotto (and others) that have the ubiquitous "thong" fixing for single/ double spike feet. CS

October 1st, 2010, 09:59 PM	#6
Gabe Spangler Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 69	I think you always want to future-proof your tripod. The FSB-4 only has a load capacity of 8.8 lbs. That is very low. I have a 7D rig and I have a DV 12 SB, which has a load capacity of 2-30 lbs. You may not have a heavy setup now, but if you start outfitting that 7D with rails, matte box, monitor, etc., it will be way more than 8.8 lbs. Also, what if you buy a new camera, then you have a $900 tripod that isn't up to the job. You should really be paying at least what you payed for your camera setup. You should have at least a $2,000 tripod setup. My advice: Don't do it. Get something better, or rent. You will use your FSB-4 for a year and then regret having bought it. Camera support is more important than the camera itself. Just my opinion. Last edited by Gabe Spangler; October 1st, 2010 at 10:41 PM.

October 2nd, 2010, 05:46 AM	#7
Barbara Jaumann Vitec Group Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Munich Posts: 23	Sachtler Cine DSLR You should take a look at the new Sachtler Cine DSLR head (www.sachtler.com). It has more payload than the FSB 4 and a special DSLR camera plate.

October 2nd, 2010, 09:51 PM	#8
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,691 Images: 18	Thanks, Barbara................. What an interesting looking rig. You haven't got one going spare I can do a review on, have you? I'm sure it would make fascinating reading (and a fascinating piece of kit to play with as well). Anyone else vote for a decent DVinfo review? CS

September 29th, 2010, 08:37 PM	#2
Richard D. George Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 351	No further comment.

October 1st, 2010, 07:06 PM	#5
Dan Asseff Major Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Port Orange Fl Posts: 317	I have the sb4 and the sb6. I like the sb6 better, but I have a bigger camera. The sb6 is smoother for really slow pans. I think you will be very happy with the sb4. Dan Forever Moments Video Productions

October 11th, 2010, 12:46 PM	#10
Ed Roo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Columbus USA Posts: 312	Other than the price points, just how do these manufacturer's products differ? Manfrotto Gitzo Sactler Vinten All four are owned by the Vitec Group. Is there any 'sharing' of technology within the groups?