Vinten 3AS or 5AS? at DVinfo.net

Derek Naves · June 30th, 2010, 07:57 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm new to these boards but have found lots of helpful info! I'm looking at getting a nice fluid head and one of my options is the Vinten AS line. My dilemma is that I'm not sure if the 3AS or the 5AS is the right head for me. I'll be shooting primarily DSLRs on this rig, and I'm concerned about getting perfect balance. A stripped down DSLR is below the minimum weight of the 3AS, but with a couple accessories added it will be above that. On the other hand, throw on a few accessories (matte box, follow focus, rods, monitor, longer lens, etc) and I could quickly be beyond the maximum weight of 5kg and no longer be able to achieve perfect balance. Buuuut, there's the issue of the low center of gravity and how that affects all these numbers....

Basically the 3AS seems to have a very narrow and low weight range which i could easily exceed. But the 5AS has a higher minimum, and with the low center of gravity, i'm worried about that minimum when i don't have everything including the kitchen sink strapped to my DSLR!

So does anyone have any experience using a DSLR rig on either of these heads? Any commentary would be greatly appreciated!

Chris Soucy · June 30th, 2010, 11:47 PM

Firstly, conratulations on your exceedingly well researched and thought out post/ question, it's not too often someone comes here having done their homework so thoroughly, let alone looking for a quality rig.

You are correct, the 3 AS has an exceedingly narrow range of weights/ COG's.

That said, I cannot (oh, bugger, I've just realised I have the new spring for the 3 AS and haven't tried it with my Canon XH A1 in "stripped to shorts" mode, must be getting senile!) er, where was I?

Ah yes, er, forget about my situation, let's look at yours.

If you buy a head that works with the basic camera but can't handle it fully configured, you're stuffed.

If you buy one that can handle your rig fully configured but not in "stripped to shorts" mode, you can always add some weight "up top" to compensate. Might take a bit of lateral thinking to come to an elegant solution, but it can be done.

Without having figures for a "bare bones" config and a "pimped to the nines" config, I'm treading on quicksand making any recommendation, but would have to say that if there is any chance you could pimp the rig to the point it will exceed the 3 AS limits, go for the 5 AS and be ready to "go lateral" with the consequences.

Hope this is of some help.

CS

Peter Harman · July 1st, 2010, 01:25 AM

Derek

You are right when you say accessorising your DSLR may push you over from Vision 3AS to Vision 5AS, but a lot will depend on not only the overall weight but the resulting configurations Centre of Gravity. So, I suggest you contact our US office and ask them for a loan unit so you can try before you buy. Send me your details off line and I’ll get one of our Customer Services people to get in contact with you and make the arrangements

Peter Harman
Product Manager, Vinten
peter.harman@vitecgroup.com

Derek Naves · July 1st, 2010, 10:33 AM

Wow! Thanks for the helpful replies, guys! Chris, good point about always being able to add weight if using the 5AS. Peter, thanks for the generous offer! Let me talk to my expense manager before I send over the info. Will be in contact soon.

thanks again!

June 30th, 2010, 07:57 AM	#1
Derek Naves Tourist Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 2	Vinten 3AS or 5AS? Hi everyone, I'm new to these boards but have found lots of helpful info! I'm looking at getting a nice fluid head and one of my options is the Vinten AS line. My dilemma is that I'm not sure if the 3AS or the 5AS is the right head for me. I'll be shooting primarily DSLRs on this rig, and I'm concerned about getting perfect balance. A stripped down DSLR is below the minimum weight of the 3AS, but with a couple accessories added it will be above that. On the other hand, throw on a few accessories (matte box, follow focus, rods, monitor, longer lens, etc) and I could quickly be beyond the maximum weight of 5kg and no longer be able to achieve perfect balance. Buuuut, there's the issue of the low center of gravity and how that affects all these numbers.... Basically the 3AS seems to have a very narrow and low weight range which i could easily exceed. But the 5AS has a higher minimum, and with the low center of gravity, i'm worried about that minimum when i don't have everything including the kitchen sink strapped to my DSLR! So does anyone have any experience using a DSLR rig on either of these heads? Any commentary would be greatly appreciated!

June 30th, 2010, 11:47 PM	#2
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,689 Images: 18	Hi, Derek........ Firstly, conratulations on your exceedingly well researched and thought out post/ question, it's not too often someone comes here having done their homework so thoroughly, let alone looking for a quality rig. You are correct, the 3 AS has an exceedingly narrow range of weights/ COG's. That said, I cannot (oh, bugger, I've just realised I have the new spring for the 3 AS and haven't tried it with my Canon XH A1 in "stripped to shorts" mode, must be getting senile!) er, where was I? Ah yes, er, forget about my situation, let's look at yours. If you buy a head that works with the basic camera but can't handle it fully configured, you're stuffed. If you buy one that can handle your rig fully configured but not in "stripped to shorts" mode, you can always add some weight "up top" to compensate. Might take a bit of lateral thinking to come to an elegant solution, but it can be done. Without having figures for a "bare bones" config and a "pimped to the nines" config, I'm treading on quicksand making any recommendation, but would have to say that if there is any chance you could pimp the rig to the point it will exceed the 3 AS limits, go for the 5 AS and be ready to "go lateral" with the consequences. Hope this is of some help. CS

July 1st, 2010, 01:25 AM	#3
Peter Harman Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: UK Posts: 73	Vision AS Derek You are right when you say accessorising your DSLR may push you over from Vision 3AS to Vision 5AS, but a lot will depend on not only the overall weight but the resulting configurations Centre of Gravity. So, I suggest you contact our US office and ask them for a loan unit so you can try before you buy. Send me your details off line and I’ll get one of our Customer Services people to get in contact with you and make the arrangements Peter Harman Product Manager, Vinten peter.harman@vitecgroup.com

July 1st, 2010, 10:33 AM	#4
Derek Naves Tourist Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 2	Wow! Thanks for the helpful replies, guys! Chris, good point about always being able to add weight if using the 5AS. Peter, thanks for the generous offer! Let me talk to my expense manager before I send over the info. Will be in contact soon. thanks again!