New Tripod: Cartoni Focus

September 8th, 2005, 08:32 AM

I knew I was getting something good when I ordered the Cartoni Focus. When it arrived I was even happier with it than I thought I would be. It's sturdy and the knobs and levers that are used for adjusting have a real quality feel.

Les Wilson · September 18th, 2005, 07:33 PM

I've been using the Cartoni Focus a while now and wanted to follow-up. I am very pleased with this head. A friend of mine solved the problem with the Bogen ART legs which I copied and it totally eliminated the only negative I was experiencing. This only affects using it on Bogen ART legs, The solution is an improvement over the stock head's tie down cup so overall, I feel like I have an even better head..

I find the adjustable tension and tilt especially handy in accomodating the various configurations of my XL1s.

Jeremy Snyder · November 3rd, 2005, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest House

I've been using the Cartoni Focus a while now and wanted to follow-up. I am very pleased with this head. A friend of mine solved the problem with the Bogen ART legs which I copied and it totally eliminated the only negative I was experiencing. This only affects using it on Bogen ART legs, The solution is an improvement over the stock head's tie down cup so overall, I feel like I have an even better head.

Ernest,
I'm very curious what solution you and your friend worked out. I'd likely buy this tripod combination (Cartoni Focus head with Bogen 542ART legs) if this issue can be resolved.
Thank you,
Jeremy

Holger Leonhard · November 22nd, 2005, 06:22 PM

I have a manfrotto 542 ART legs, I guess it is the same as the Bogen 542 ART - does anybody know if the Focus will fit to this?
Maybe somebody could post the diameter of the Focus bowl handle ?
I measured the inner diameter of the 542, it´s 65 mm on the most narrow spot. this narrow spot is located from 50 to 80 mm below the hole ( bottom ) of the ball cage. ( sorry my english is not that good .. ), it´s where the holders/cardridges of the legs are located when the legs are closed.

Les Wilson · January 11th, 2006, 06:49 PM

I've been contacted by several readers asking about the fix that lets the Focus work with the Bogen ART legs. The solution was to buy a Bogen 3141BALL which is a 100mm ball leveler with a straight handle tie down cup. You throw the ball away and have to retap the threads in the tie-down cup to match the Focus. Before you take delivery on the head, you may ask the dealer of they will do it for you if you send them the part.

Johan Forssblad · January 16th, 2006, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy Snyder

Ernest,
I'd likely buy this tripod combination (Cartoni Focus head with Bogen 542ART legs) if this issue can be resolved.
Thank you,
Jeremy

Hello, I just wonder why so many are buying the 542ART instead of any Cartoni tripod to the Cartoni Focus head. The Cartoni tripods weigh much less according to their broshure, for instance a T622/C is 5 lbs compared to 8.8 for the 542ART.
Is it for the ART system? Will it make it much faster? I'm about to buy a tripod and will probably get the Focus head.
Thankful for any good information.
Johan

Les Wilson · January 16th, 2006, 06:46 PM

Weight is important to figure out. The ART legs are OK and take getting used to. They are fast to change height and setup. Another difference with the T622/C legs is that the Cartoni legs are 1-stage vs the 542 2-stage.

Johan Forssblad · January 17th, 2006, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest House

Another difference with the T622/C legs is that the Cartoni legs are 1-stage vs the 542 2-stage.

Hello Ernest,
Yes, but I'm actually considering the Cartoni T622/2C which is 2-stage at only 4 lbs according to their specs. This is amasingly light (4 lbs) and only 22.6" folded.
However, the closed length of the 542 ART is 28.7" which is actually closer to the 1-stage T622/C with 32.8".
I havn't seen these two first tripods in reality and our dealer does just take them home on order.
I guess the rigid metal parts around the legs on the 542 ART explains the more than double weight.
Is the faster speed worth the weight penalty? Yes, it is like comparing apples and pears like Doug Boze said on the other thread. A light tripod so you will take it with you. Or a fast tripod so you will have time to get it up in time?

Les Wilson · January 17th, 2006, 06:57 PM

Weight could be a negative of the 542ART. It's surprising that a CF tripod is that heavy. So while the ART mechanism is disliked by some, I feel it works quite well and I would not like to go back to the flip lock routine. And, while fast on the setup, the weight may slow you down if running is what you do. I walk like a pack mule with all my gear. I don't know what camera you are toting but chances are it's something that will also slow you down. Add in the Focus head and ...

I would not trade my rig. Period. I understand you may want the lighter Cartoni legs. It was hard to find a photo of one but the one I saw had a floor spreader which I really don't like. One thing to research about light legs is are they so light that they aren't stable. My rig is well suited to the XL1s and I can go larger later as I expect my Focus and Art tripod to outlast my camera(s). THere are no clear answers. You need to decide for yourself.

Johan Forssblad · January 31st, 2006, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest House

Weight could be a negative of the 542ART.

Dear Ernest,
Thank you for your reply. I wonder if you (or anybody else) could weigh your combination:
Cartoni Focus head with pan bar and camera plate + Manfrotto 542ART with spreader and suitable ball or whetever it takes to mount it together. Yes, a complete working tripod combination!

I just received a Cartoni T622/2C tripod with Focus head and it was much heavier than expected.

Their brochure/web site stated 1.8 kg for the tripod and 2 for the head so I expected 3.8 kg.
The assembled tripod was about 6.9 kg!! Head 2.7 and tripod 4.2 kg!

Perhaps they listed the head without the included pan bar & camera plate & ball screw? Then the head is 2.2 kg but not usuable and still 10 % heavy.

Perhaps they weighed the tripod without spreader? That makes 3.1 kg - quite more than the 1.8 kg stated! Hm, light weight carbon - too light to be true!

So, please weigh one Manfrotto 542 ART with spreader! They state 8.8 lbs which is about 4 kg. Perhaps it is lighter, faster and cheaper than the Cartoni in the reality. Then my purchase decision could have been another.

Les Wilson · January 31st, 2006, 06:38 PM

Cartoni Focus, 542ART legs, 3141 Bogen tie-down cup, mid-spreader, pan bar, Varizoom Stealth, Bogen 540strap all weighs in at 12lbs or 5.44 kg.

Johan Forssblad · February 13th, 2006, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest House

I've been contacted by several readers asking about the fix that lets the Focus work with the Bogen ART legs. The solution was to buy a Bogen 3141BALL which is a 100mm ball leveler with a straight handle tie down cup. You throw the ball away and have to retap the threads in the tie-down cup to match the Focus.

Dear Ernest,

Thank you very much for your advice, it has helped me a lot and changed my mind.
In fact I returned the Cartoni legs and went your way with the Manfrotto 542ART legs combined with the Cartoni Focus head. What a tripod!!!!! I'm so impressed!

The 3141BALL was a bit difficult to find because it is called 500BALLSH here in Europe (SH stands for short).
The tap needed is a M10x1.5 because the pin on the Manfrotto ball has a UNC 3/8" thread but the Cartoni Focus head has a M10 pin.
These threads are quite close and it is easy to modify the brass threads with the M10 tap.

What a nice tripod combination!! Adjustable in every direction by just pressing buttons. And the great lockable mid-level spreader! No more dirty floor spreader on the uneven soil.
The tripod also keeps together nicely without straps or any extras!
I am glad I changed. Thanks for this great forum which takes the progress faster further when everybody can share their experiences! Thanks Chris!

BTW, this tripod requires a bit of practise until you know how to handle it. But I think it is worth it if you move around with your camera.
I'm astonished Cartoni can advertise a tripod as 1.8 kg when it is more than the double weight! This false information lured me to the wrong purchase at the first moment.
If you are out to buy a tripod in this price range take a look at this one. Definitely it is a development.

Thanks! /Johan

Mark Utley · May 20th, 2006, 02:10 PM

For all you Focus users out there, how have they been holding up? I've heard a couple people say that Cartoni tripods break fairly easily over time.

I'm torn between the Cartoni Focus and Vinten Vision 3. The Vinten is $1699 (comes with 2-stage aluminium ground spreader sticks), versus the Cartoni for $1499 (2-stage, carbon fiber, mid-level spreader sticks).

I've read many good things about the Vinten but accessories are ridiculously expensive so I'm leaning towards the Focus. Any owners have an opinion?

May 20th, 2006, 02:11 PM

Been happy with mine. I'd buy one again if I needed a second tripod.

Les Wilson · May 20th, 2006, 03:23 PM

I use mine roughly 2 hours a month. I always am transporting it to/fro the location. It's flawless thus far. I am very careful with equipment tho.

I don't think Vintens are without blemish and I wonder about durability of Vinten's rebranded Bogens in only having the name. Coincidently, we had a Vision 10 bite the dust after only 2 years of use 20 hours a month. Good thing about them is that they are worth refurbing.

January 31st, 2006, 06:38 PM	#26
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Cartoni Focus, 542ART legs, 3141 Bogen tie-down cup, mid-spreader, pan bar, Varizoom Stealth, Bogen 540strap all weighs in at 12lbs or 5.44 kg. Last edited by Les Wilson; January 31st, 2006 at 07:42 PM.

May 20th, 2006, 02:10 PM	#28
Mark Utley Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 479	For all you Focus users out there, how have they been holding up? I've heard a couple people say that Cartoni tripods break fairly easily over time. I'm torn between the Cartoni Focus and Vinten Vision 3. The Vinten is $1699 (comes with 2-stage aluminium ground spreader sticks), versus the Cartoni for $1499 (2-stage, carbon fiber, mid-level spreader sticks). I've read many good things about the Vinten but accessories are ridiculously expensive so I'm leaning towards the Focus. Any owners have an opinion? __________________ Mark Utley

September 8th, 2005, 08:32 AM	#16
Guest Posts: n/a	I knew I was getting something good when I ordered the Cartoni Focus. When it arrived I was even happier with it than I thought I would be. It's sturdy and the knobs and levers that are used for adjusting have a real quality feel.

September 18th, 2005, 07:33 PM	#17
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	I've been using the Cartoni Focus a while now and wanted to follow-up. I am very pleased with this head. A friend of mine solved the problem with the Bogen ART legs which I copied and it totally eliminated the only negative I was experiencing. This only affects using it on Bogen ART legs, The solution is an improvement over the stock head's tie down cup so overall, I feel like I have an even better head.. I find the adjustable tension and tilt especially handy in accomodating the various configurations of my XL1s.

November 22nd, 2005, 06:22 PM	#19
Holger Leonhard Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 71	I have a manfrotto 542 ART legs, I guess it is the same as the Bogen 542 ART - does anybody know if the Focus will fit to this? Maybe somebody could post the diameter of the Focus bowl handle ? I measured the inner diameter of the 542, it´s 65 mm on the most narrow spot. this narrow spot is located from 50 to 80 mm below the hole ( bottom ) of the ball cage. ( sorry my english is not that good .. ), it´s where the holders/cardridges of the legs are located when the legs are closed.

January 11th, 2006, 06:49 PM	#20
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	I've been contacted by several readers asking about the fix that lets the Focus work with the Bogen ART legs. The solution was to buy a Bogen 3141BALL which is a 100mm ball leveler with a straight handle tie down cup. You throw the ball away and have to retap the threads in the tie-down cup to match the Focus. Before you take delivery on the head, you may ask the dealer of they will do it for you if you send them the part.

January 16th, 2006, 06:46 PM	#22
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Weight is important to figure out. The ART legs are OK and take getting used to. They are fast to change height and setup. Another difference with the T622/C legs is that the Cartoni legs are 1-stage vs the 542 2-stage.

January 17th, 2006, 06:57 PM	#24
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Weight could be a negative of the 542ART. It's surprising that a CF tripod is that heavy. So while the ART mechanism is disliked by some, I feel it works quite well and I would not like to go back to the flip lock routine. And, while fast on the setup, the weight may slow you down if running is what you do. I walk like a pack mule with all my gear. I don't know what camera you are toting but chances are it's something that will also slow you down. Add in the Focus head and ... I would not trade my rig. Period. I understand you may want the lighter Cartoni legs. It was hard to find a photo of one but the one I saw had a floor spreader which I really don't like. One thing to research about light legs is are they so light that they aren't stable. My rig is well suited to the XL1s and I can go larger later as I expect my Focus and Art tripod to outlast my camera(s). THere are no clear answers. You need to decide for yourself.

May 20th, 2006, 02:11 PM	#29
Guest Posts: n/a	Been happy with mine. I'd buy one again if I needed a second tripod.

May 20th, 2006, 03:23 PM	#30
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	I use mine roughly 2 hours a month. I always am transporting it to/fro the location. It's flawless thus far. I am very careful with equipment tho. I don't think Vintens are without blemish and I wonder about durability of Vinten's rebranded Bogens in only having the name. Coincidently, we had a Vision 10 bite the dust after only 2 years of use 20 hours a month. Good thing about them is that they are worth refurbing.