Takin' it on the chin for wanting a DS-10. Is there a better option? at DVinfo.net

Kent Fraser · December 30th, 2003, 05:03 PM

Okay, I've got a loaded GL2 with a pretty heavy Varizoom for the pan handle... needing a good head for shooting documentaries and motivational material.

Shopping around for the best price on a Miller DS-10 (828), I got nailed by a salesman from a pretty popular internet merchant. He called it "Mass overkill" and basically questioned my intelligence (via email). Why spend half the price of the camera on a tripod? He was trying to sell me a Cartoni Action Pro(?) for half the price of the Miller. Now, I must admit that I've never used a Miller, but have read some great reviews here and elsewhere. Dead stops after a pan are a must for me. And in this cold climate (northern Minnesota), I'd like some consitency in the head. With room to move up to a DV cam (Like PD150 or 170 or possibly new Canon?).

So... is it really overkill, or is there a head that is worthy of my consideration that really is comparable? This is where I came to for much of my info. Help me make a good decision. Yes, I would like to save bucks, but not at the expense of smooth moves and dead stops. I don't want quality to suffer because of the tripod/head action. Is this possible with another less-expensive system?

Thanks in advance!

Kent

Frank Granovski · December 30th, 2003, 06:05 PM

Kent from Bemidji---beautiful place---look for the "Miller DS5" thread. There you will find a dealer in Australia that sells the DS5 (and DS10) a lot cheaper than US prices. Millers are made in Australia; perhaps that's one reason they are a lot cheaper there.

Ken Tanaka · December 31st, 2003, 11:20 AM

Hello Kent,
When shopping for a tripod/fluid head system is you need to take into consideration that it will probably outlive your current camera. Probably several cameras.

In short, a Miller DS-10 would be an excellent choice for your GL2 outfit and for the prospective cameras of similar size that you mention. It would also be an excellent choice for the severe weather of Minnesota. Like other top-of-the-line heads, the Millers are engineered to operate smoothly and consistently in such conditions. I have no experience with a Cartoni so I cannot comment on that rig.

I own a Miller DS-10 and have used it with the load you describe. (The full-size Varizoom controllers are actually quite light, contrary to what their fist-sized profile would suggest. They're really not a significan load factor.) I would highly recommend it as a well-engineered mid-priced choice for smaller hand-helds.

As for the "salesman", well

Joe Romano · January 1st, 2004, 12:22 AM

Can't recommend a cheaper tripod , but I love the DS-10, it's hard to do a bad move using that head , and I got a good price from a guy in Orlando at Photomart Cine-Video,
I dealt with Gary, He was great, and you can tell him I recommended if you like.

Kent Fraser · January 8th, 2004, 01:28 PM

I ordered the Miller Solo DV with the DS-10 head (1511 system). It was a tough decision on the legs, but I don't think I'll be disapointed. I'll know more of course in a few days.

Kent

Ken Tanaka · January 8th, 2004, 02:19 PM

I really think you'll love it, Kent. Very versatile. Very smooth and reliable. Travels light and well. Come to think of it, it embodies most of the qualities one might look for in a mate!

Kent Fraser · January 8th, 2004, 03:37 PM

Looking forward to getting it. Makes ya feel like a kid at Christmas again. I'm real curious to see the Solo in real life. The very low angle shots it can handle and the neoprene coating are very interesting to me - the neoprene especially for the colder temps up here in the northwoods of Minnesota.

I sure appreciate the help and discussion found here at DVinfo. I stumbled across the site a few months back when I began this quest for a good tripod. It's great to be able to get feedback from users of the gear you're considering without the sales pitch that comes with the promise of commission. Although some are slightly biased anyway ;0)

Thanks Ken, Joe and Frank as well as others who helped along the way.

As for a mate... well, you're probably right. I must say though that my wife exceeds the qualities of any man-crafted device. God made her!

December 30th, 2003, 05:03 PM	#1
Kent Fraser Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 75	Takin' it on the chin for wanting a DS-10. Is there a better option? Okay, I've got a loaded GL2 with a pretty heavy Varizoom for the pan handle... needing a good head for shooting documentaries and motivational material. Shopping around for the best price on a Miller DS-10 (828), I got nailed by a salesman from a pretty popular internet merchant. He called it "Mass overkill" and basically questioned my intelligence (via email). Why spend half the price of the camera on a tripod? He was trying to sell me a Cartoni Action Pro(?) for half the price of the Miller. Now, I must admit that I've never used a Miller, but have read some great reviews here and elsewhere. Dead stops after a pan are a must for me. And in this cold climate (northern Minnesota), I'd like some consitency in the head. With room to move up to a DV cam (Like PD150 or 170 or possibly new Canon?). So... is it really overkill, or is there a head that is worthy of my consideration that really is comparable? This is where I came to for much of my info. Help me make a good decision. Yes, I would like to save bucks, but not at the expense of smooth moves and dead stops. I don't want quality to suffer because of the tripod/head action. Is this possible with another less-expensive system? Thanks in advance! Kent

December 31st, 2003, 11:20 AM	#3
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Hello Kent, When shopping for a tripod/fluid head system is you need to take into consideration that it will probably outlive your current camera. Probably several cameras. In short, a Miller DS-10 would be an excellent choice for your GL2 outfit and for the prospective cameras of similar size that you mention. It would also be an excellent choice for the severe weather of Minnesota. Like other top-of-the-line heads, the Millers are engineered to operate smoothly and consistently in such conditions. I have no experience with a Cartoni so I cannot comment on that rig. I own a Miller DS-10 and have used it with the load you describe. (The full-size Varizoom controllers are actually quite light, contrary to what their fist-sized profile would suggest. They're really not a significan load factor.) I would highly recommend it as a well-engineered mid-priced choice for smaller hand-helds. As for the "salesman", well __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

January 1st, 2004, 12:22 AM	#4
Joe Romano New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: new york Posts: 16	Can't recommend a cheaper tripod , but I love the DS-10, it's hard to do a bad move using that head , and I got a good price from a guy in Orlando at Photomart Cine-Video, I dealt with Gary, He was great, and you can tell him I recommended if you like. __________________ peace, Joe

January 8th, 2004, 01:28 PM	#5
Kent Fraser Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 75	Well, It's done. I ordered the Miller Solo DV with the DS-10 head (1511 system). It was a tough decision on the legs, but I don't think I'll be disapointed. I'll know more of course in a few days. Kent

January 8th, 2004, 02:19 PM	#6
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	I really think you'll love it, Kent. Very versatile. Very smooth and reliable. Travels light and well. Come to think of it, it embodies most of the qualities one might look for in a mate! __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

December 30th, 2003, 06:05 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Kent from Bemidji---beautiful place---look for the "Miller DS5" thread. There you will find a dealer in Australia that sells the DS5 (and DS10) a lot cheaper than US prices. Millers are made in Australia; perhaps that's one reason they are a lot cheaper there.

January 8th, 2004, 03:37 PM	#7
Kent Fraser Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 75	Looking forward to getting it. Makes ya feel like a kid at Christmas again. I'm real curious to see the Solo in real life. The very low angle shots it can handle and the neoprene coating are very interesting to me - the neoprene especially for the colder temps up here in the northwoods of Minnesota. I sure appreciate the help and discussion found here at DVinfo. I stumbled across the site a few months back when I began this quest for a good tripod. It's great to be able to get feedback from users of the gear you're considering without the sales pitch that comes with the promise of commission. Although some are slightly biased anyway ;0) Thanks Ken, Joe and Frank as well as others who helped along the way. As for a mate... well, you're probably right. I must say though that my wife exceeds the qualities of any man-crafted device. God made her!