Tripod for the XL1 / XL1S

Charles Papert · May 9th, 2002, 08:34 PM

Yeah but--it's all about the sub-rentals and the business deductions, baby! I only buy these horrifically expensive things to rent 'em back to to production (well, I admit the DV gear is more of a hobby. How pathetic is that--the guy shoots for a living and then shoots for a hobby. I gotta get a life!)

And if you REALLY want to talk outrageous pricetags--I was fairly close to picking up an Arrihead this year. For those unfamiliar, that's a brand of geared head with the handwheels you see on behind the scenes footage from features, etc. That little puppy would have set me back some $30K, oucharooni! Decided against that one...

The trick these days is to own gear that can work on with format, since the industry is being shaken up so badly by the digital cameras. No-one wants to invest in the HD cameras since they are so obviously going to be outdated in a heartbeat, and everyone's trying to sell off their older film rigs as their future is limited. But regardless of format, we'll always need to mount them on something to shoot--hence my attraction to heads, Steadicams, remote heads etc.

Way off subject. Sorry.

love,

Crazy Rich Bastard

p.s. whoops, don't even know what I own--it's the O'Connor 1030, not 1060 as I mentioned before. They also have a DV model that only costs $2500 (!)

Chris Hurd · May 9th, 2002, 09:13 PM

Charles, we could give you a custom title of "Crazy Rich Bastard" to replace "Major Player" but it would violate my decency standards. The rich part, not the bastard.

Justin Chin · May 9th, 2002, 09:24 PM

Ken, Chris, Charles -

I think the term is "camera poor". Or more importantly in the next year, "rapidly depreciating camera rich".

Josh Bass · May 9th, 2002, 10:51 PM

Yes, well, I am all kinds of poor, so the less I spend right now the better. I am thinking in film (albeit highly independent and ones you may never ever ever ever see or even hear of) terms when I try to figure out my tripod setup. I would like at this point not to spend more than 500. When Tarentino gives me a call, then maybe I'll spend a little more.

Frank Granovski · May 10th, 2002, 01:17 AM

Those of you thinking about purchasing a Miller, let me know. Firstly, I believe they are cheaper in Canada, and secondly, I can arrange a good price straight from the Canadian distributor. (That's because they love my business and the business I send their way.) My e-mail is: granit@imag.net (Vancouver).

Oh, and I don't take any "cuts." I'll just arrange things between them and you. (Frank, don't you have a life?)

One more thing..., Manfrotto products (Bogan in the US) are also cheaper up here. Yup. I can get you a deal on the 501 or 503 head, legs, etc, as well.

Chris Hurd · May 10th, 2002, 06:15 AM

Not to rain on your parade, Frank, but wouldn't the shipping charges from up there kind of negate any sort of lower price? I know that stuff going up to Canada is slammed hard, isn't it the same way coming down?

Josh Bass · May 10th, 2002, 06:25 AM

Yeah, what he said. Other than that, let me know these sweet Canadian deals.

Frank Granovski · May 10th, 2002, 03:29 PM

Shipping costs are a tad more. Still, the Canadian distributer gets the Miller line directly from Australia and has a lower price structure than the US distributer. With Manfrotto it's the same scene. And, the distributer up here has high volume sales to the Vancouver film industry, so prices are not as bloated (as in the US). I just thought I'd throw you penny pinchers an option.

Josh Bass · May 10th, 2002, 03:43 PM

Well, I am a certified penny pincher, and would like to know your price on a 501 or 503 head based rig, from manfrotto/bogen

Frank Granovski · May 10th, 2002, 04:07 PM

Tell me exactly what you want, and I'll get you a price from Leo's Photo. If you don't know what you want, I'll suggest a set of legs and head. What video cam do you have?

Josh Bass · May 10th, 2002, 11:03 PM

Canon XL1s, good sir. I guess quote me a price on a bogen/manfrotto 503 head-based rig, and on a 501 head-based rig as well. I'm open to suggestions, as well. Keep in mind, I'm not ready to buy at this time, and may not be for some time. So please don't go through too much trouble.

Frank Granovski · May 10th, 2002, 11:15 PM

XL-1, okay. I would go for the 503 head. Your looking for legs too, right, when you say "rig."

You shouldn't consider the 501 for your cam.

I'll select some legs, then, and post you the price for each in a couple of days or so.

Josh Bass · May 11th, 2002, 07:52 AM

Well, someone above had said that the 501 suited them just fine. I 'll defer to your judgement however.
Yes I do mean legs and head when I say rig.

Since we're at it, do those lower Canada prices apply to all video equipment? I want to get the 16x manual lens for the XL1s. The lowest I've found it for here is $1500.

Frank Granovski · May 11th, 2002, 01:22 PM

Manfrotto and Miller products are usually cheaper, not lenses nor cams. We get shafted up here with cam prices and some US made products (like Porta-Brace).

The 501 head would be okay, but the 503 would be ideal.

Josh Bass · May 11th, 2002, 02:24 PM

Thanks anyway. Like I said, if you want, quote me price on a 503 head based tripod.

May 9th, 2002, 08:34 PM	#91
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Yeah but--it's all about the sub-rentals and the business deductions, baby! I only buy these horrifically expensive things to rent 'em back to to production (well, I admit the DV gear is more of a hobby. How pathetic is that--the guy shoots for a living and then shoots for a hobby. I gotta get a life!) And if you REALLY want to talk outrageous pricetags--I was fairly close to picking up an Arrihead this year. For those unfamiliar, that's a brand of geared head with the handwheels you see on behind the scenes footage from features, etc. That little puppy would have set me back some $30K, oucharooni! Decided against that one... The trick these days is to own gear that can work on with format, since the industry is being shaken up so badly by the digital cameras. No-one wants to invest in the HD cameras since they are so obviously going to be outdated in a heartbeat, and everyone's trying to sell off their older film rigs as their future is limited. But regardless of format, we'll always need to mount them on something to shoot--hence my attraction to heads, Steadicams, remote heads etc. Way off subject. Sorry. love, Crazy Rich Bastard p.s. whoops, don't even know what I own--it's the O'Connor 1030, not 1060 as I mentioned before. They also have a DV model that only costs $2500 (!) __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

May 9th, 2002, 09:13 PM	#92
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Charles, we could give you a custom title of "Crazy Rich Bastard" to replace "Major Player" but it would violate my decency standards. The rich part, not the bastard. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 9th, 2002, 09:24 PM	#93
Justin Chin Major Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 227	Ken, Chris, Charles - I think the term is "camera poor". Or more importantly in the next year, "rapidly depreciating camera rich". __________________ justin www.monsterrocket.com Filmmaker \| Cinematographer

May 9th, 2002, 10:51 PM	#94
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	above Yes, well, I am all kinds of poor, so the less I spend right now the better. I am thinking in film (albeit highly independent and ones you may never ever ever ever see or even hear of) terms when I try to figure out my tripod setup. I would like at this point not to spend more than 500. When Tarentino gives me a call, then maybe I'll spend a little more. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 10th, 2002, 06:15 AM	#96
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Not to rain on your parade, Frank, but wouldn't the shipping charges from up there kind of negate any sort of lower price? I know that stuff going up to Canada is slammed hard, isn't it the same way coming down? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 10th, 2002, 01:17 AM	#95
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Those of you thinking about purchasing a Miller, let me know. Firstly, I believe they are cheaper in Canada, and secondly, I can arrange a good price straight from the Canadian distributor. (That's because they love my business and the business I send their way.) My e-mail is: granit@imag.net (Vancouver). Oh, and I don't take any "cuts." I'll just arrange things between them and you. (Frank, don't you have a life?) One more thing..., Manfrotto products (Bogan in the US) are also cheaper up here. Yup. I can get you a deal on the 501 or 503 head, legs, etc, as well.

May 10th, 2002, 06:25 AM	#97
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	above Yeah, what he said. Other than that, let me know these sweet Canadian deals. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 10th, 2002, 03:29 PM	#98
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Shipping costs are a tad more. Still, the Canadian distributer gets the Miller line directly from Australia and has a lower price structure than the US distributer. With Manfrotto it's the same scene. And, the distributer up here has high volume sales to the Vancouver film industry, so prices are not as bloated (as in the US). I just thought I'd throw you penny pinchers an option.

May 10th, 2002, 03:43 PM	#99
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	above Well, I am a certified penny pincher, and would like to know your price on a 501 or 503 head based rig, from manfrotto/bogen __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 10th, 2002, 04:07 PM	#100
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Tell me exactly what you want, and I'll get you a price from Leo's Photo. If you don't know what you want, I'll suggest a set of legs and head. What video cam do you have?

May 10th, 2002, 11:03 PM	#101
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	above Canon XL1s, good sir. I guess quote me a price on a bogen/manfrotto 503 head-based rig, and on a 501 head-based rig as well. I'm open to suggestions, as well. Keep in mind, I'm not ready to buy at this time, and may not be for some time. So please don't go through too much trouble. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 10th, 2002, 11:15 PM	#102
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	XL-1, okay. I would go for the 503 head. Your looking for legs too, right, when you say "rig." You shouldn't consider the 501 for your cam. I'll select some legs, then, and post you the price for each in a couple of days or so.

May 11th, 2002, 07:52 AM	#103
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	above Well, someone above had said that the 501 suited them just fine. I 'll defer to your judgement however. Yes I do mean legs and head when I say rig. Since we're at it, do those lower Canada prices apply to all video equipment? I want to get the 16x manual lens for the XL1s. The lowest I've found it for here is $1500. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 11th, 2002, 01:22 PM	#104
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Manfrotto and Miller products are usually cheaper, not lenses nor cams. We get shafted up here with cam prices and some US made products (like Porta-Brace). The 501 head would be okay, but the 503 would be ideal.

May 11th, 2002, 02:24 PM	#105
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Thanks anyway. Like I said, if you want, quote me price on a 503 head based tripod. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB