Tried Out A Couple Tripods--One Good, One Not So Good

David Ennis · July 15th, 2004, 11:39 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Dave Largent : Not so good tripod: Sony VCT-870RM...The worst part of the tripod is the way the quick release plate attaches to the cam. There's very poor design here. Instead of using your fingers or a coin to turn the bolt in, you actually turn the whole plate....-->>>

I have this tripod, Dave, and the attachment of the quick-mount plate to the camera base *is* via the usual thumb screw. If you were looking in a store they must have lost the part and had their display jury-rigged with another.

I do agree that the tripod is too flimsy, though, and also the legs are too short to straddle the audiitorium seat in front of me, which is a shooting arrangement I frequently want to use.

I will say that the zoom controller works very well.

__
Fred

Mike Rehmus · July 16th, 2004, 06:00 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Dave Largent : I was thinking of something smaller than the 501 because it's for
a monopod. I have the 682B, the one with the flip-out feet.
Isn't it true that sometimes they'll list heads as being "fluid heads" but they don't necessarily have fluid in them? Or can I trust their claims? -->>>

You cannot trust their claims in this case. The 501 is not a fluid head. Nor is the 503.

Dave Largent · July 16th, 2004, 07:23 PM

Really? I thought the 503 *was* a true fluid head.

Mike Rehmus · July 16th, 2004, 08:37 PM

I do not believe so, Dave. To a lesser degree it is reported to have stiction problems just like the 501.

The problem is that the manufacturers think that when they slop some silicon oil/grease between two disks, that makes a fluid head. Well, maybe in the strictest sense. But not in the sense that we all want extremely good motion control with our tripod heads.

But if you compare the 503 action against something like the head on a Miller D-5 or Vision 3 Vinten head you can immediately tell the difference.

Nick Reed · July 16th, 2004, 10:45 PM

Don't take this as truth, because it could be completely wrong. Wish I had the reference, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Bogen 503 and all Bogen heads below it use Teflon discs as bearing surfaces, thus the stiction problems.

The 516 is a true fluid head, for sure.

Mike Rehmus · July 16th, 2004, 10:49 PM

It is in the bottom of the price range to be a 'real' fluid head at around $475 give or take.

Buy cheap legs if you must. Never cheap heads if you can help it.

That said, I use some terrible heads for fixed applications. They work very well for quick setups and locked down cameras.

Matt Gettemeier · July 20th, 2004, 07:54 AM

The 516 has fluid modules something like a Satchler has... the Cartoni heads are some of the cheapest true fluid heads you can get. Vintens are lubricated friction heads like the Gitzo 1380 and many others. That's not to say they aren't top of the line heads with perfect movement... but if you want to know what heads REALLY are fluid heads you have to check the individual model. This is another one of those topics where a lot of assumptions are made based on what you'd expect from a particular name.

I've got a 1380 and I laugh at how it says "fluide" on the side of it. What the hell is "fluide"? Anyway... I expect that the Vinten V3 is probably the same head... they're identical in weight, load, balance. Still you gotta' love the white finish of the Vintens... it screams "this 'aint your uncle's tripod".

Fred Retread? Are you the same Fred Retread from the Firestone Tire Shop down the street? Man I love that name. When I signed up I considered making something up like Max Zoom, but then I realized that I put so much effort in giving good information that I want to get credit for it. Also you've gotta' respect all these guys on here that back up their advice with their real name... give's 'em more credibility in my opinion.

Robert J. Wolff · July 27th, 2004, 03:30 PM

The 516 head, is the lowest in the line of PRO heads that are produced by Bogen.

The 501, 503, etc; are all in the just video application gengre (non pro) fricition operation via composit discs' that rub together. No Fluid's involved.

The 516, (which I own), because of it's price/effectivness, is the reason that the big O'C, and others are moving to emulate it.

For the small cam's, that we most discuss in this format, and, in the future will be the norm, it is a hands down winner.

Joshua Jackson · May 3rd, 2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Gettemeier

The 516 has fluid modules something like a Satchler has... the Cartoni heads are some of the cheapest true fluid heads you can get. Vintens are lubricated friction heads like the Gitzo 1380 and many others. That's not to say they aren't top of the line heads with perfect movement... but if you want to know what heads REALLY are fluid heads you have to check the individual model. This is another one of those topics where a lot of assumptions are made based on what you'd expect from a particular name.

Are you referring to all cartoni's or a couple in particular. I was looking at the ap10 and f100.
What are the biggest differences (aside from price) between the bogen 516, cartoni ap10/f100, gitzo 1380, satchler dv-4ii, and vinten vision-3? Is the v3 2x as good as the bogen? I like that the gitzo comes with all the springs. I don't like that the bogen only has 1 fixed spring.
JJ

July 15th, 2004, 11:39 AM	#16
David Ennis Fred Retread Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hartford, CT Posts: 1,227	Re: Tried Out A Couple Tripods--One Good, One Not So Good <<<-- Originally posted by Dave Largent : Not so good tripod: Sony VCT-870RM...The worst part of the tripod is the way the quick release plate attaches to the cam. There's very poor design here. Instead of using your fingers or a coin to turn the bolt in, you actually turn the whole plate....-->>> I have this tripod, Dave, and the attachment of the quick-mount plate to the camera base is via the usual thumb screw. If you were looking in a store they must have lost the part and had their display jury-rigged with another. I do agree that the tripod is too flimsy, though, and also the legs are too short to straddle the audiitorium seat in front of me, which is a shooting arrangement I frequently want to use. I will say that the zoom controller works very well. __ Fred __________________ "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence..." - Calvin Coolidge "My brain is wired to want to know how other things are wired." - Me

July 16th, 2004, 06:00 PM	#17
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	<<<-- Originally posted by Dave Largent : I was thinking of something smaller than the 501 because it's for a monopod. I have the 682B, the one with the flip-out feet. Isn't it true that sometimes they'll list heads as being "fluid heads" but they don't necessarily have fluid in them? Or can I trust their claims? -->>> You cannot trust their claims in this case. The 501 is not a fluid head. Nor is the 503. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

July 16th, 2004, 08:37 PM	#19
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	I do not believe so, Dave. To a lesser degree it is reported to have stiction problems just like the 501. The problem is that the manufacturers think that when they slop some silicon oil/grease between two disks, that makes a fluid head. Well, maybe in the strictest sense. But not in the sense that we all want extremely good motion control with our tripod heads. But if you compare the 503 action against something like the head on a Miller D-5 or Vision 3 Vinten head you can immediately tell the difference. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

July 16th, 2004, 10:49 PM	#21
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	It is in the bottom of the price range to be a 'real' fluid head at around $475 give or take. Buy cheap legs if you must. Never cheap heads if you can help it. That said, I use some terrible heads for fixed applications. They work very well for quick setups and locked down cameras. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

July 27th, 2004, 03:30 PM	#23
Robert J. Wolff Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Adirondacks of New York Posts: 210	The 516 head, is the lowest in the line of PRO heads that are produced by Bogen. The 501, 503, etc; are all in the just video application gengre (non pro) fricition operation via composit discs' that rub together. No Fluid's involved. The 516, (which I own), because of it's price/effectivness, is the reason that the big O'C, and others are moving to emulate it. For the small cam's, that we most discuss in this format, and, in the future will be the norm, it is a hands down winner. __________________ Himself

July 16th, 2004, 07:23 PM	#18
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Really? I thought the 503 was a true fluid head.

July 16th, 2004, 10:45 PM	#20
Nick Reed Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 78	Don't take this as truth, because it could be completely wrong. Wish I had the reference, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Bogen 503 and all Bogen heads below it use Teflon discs as bearing surfaces, thus the stiction problems. The 516 is a true fluid head, for sure.

July 20th, 2004, 07:54 AM	#22
Matt Gettemeier Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 936	The 516 has fluid modules something like a Satchler has... the Cartoni heads are some of the cheapest true fluid heads you can get. Vintens are lubricated friction heads like the Gitzo 1380 and many others. That's not to say they aren't top of the line heads with perfect movement... but if you want to know what heads REALLY are fluid heads you have to check the individual model. This is another one of those topics where a lot of assumptions are made based on what you'd expect from a particular name. I've got a 1380 and I laugh at how it says "fluide" on the side of it. What the hell is "fluide"? Anyway... I expect that the Vinten V3 is probably the same head... they're identical in weight, load, balance. Still you gotta' love the white finish of the Vintens... it screams "this 'aint your uncle's tripod". Fred Retread? Are you the same Fred Retread from the Firestone Tire Shop down the street? Man I love that name. When I signed up I considered making something up like Max Zoom, but then I realized that I put so much effort in giving good information that I want to get credit for it. Also you've gotta' respect all these guys on here that back up their advice with their real name... give's 'em more credibility in my opinion.