EX1 Tripod selection

Bob Willis · December 12th, 2007, 01:49 PM

This is the quick release and plate system that I use on my heavy duty tripod when I am using the small camera instead of the shoulder camera. It uses the same plate that came with the Bogen 503.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_Adapter.html

I don't use the 503 much anymore unless I am hiking in a good distance.

Phil Bloom · December 13th, 2007, 01:51 AM

all tripods have a basic plate. The vintens with the vc14u sony plate are no exception. look underneath the sony plate and there is the standard sony plate. You can screw that onto the underside of the ex1 and you can then use the vinten tripod

Brendan Pyatt · January 5th, 2008, 11:38 AM

Hi,

I have just been reading up on the z7 and apparently it has two mounting holes on the bottom for mounting the tripod plate - I assume they are two threaded holes giving a firmer connection - this is great feature in my opinion.

What about the X1 does it have two threaded holes? Or just one threaded and one non- threaded hole (like most sony cams)?

thanks.

Eric Pascarelli · January 5th, 2008, 12:51 PM

One threaded hole (1/4-20) and one non-threaded registration hole.

Brendan Pyatt · January 5th, 2008, 01:14 PM

thank you.

Craig Seeman · January 8th, 2008, 10:12 AM

I have Sony PMW-EX1 so that's the weight class I'm working with.

It's nearly impossible for me to find Tripod/Head reviews anywhere so I toss it open to my trusted colleagues. I'm posting here rather than EX1 forum because I hope get a broader response than just EX1 users.

Manfrotto 503HDV vs Sachtler FSB6 (or comparable) should give you an idea of my price range to.

With no reviews to read and sales people who can only describe Sachtler as "better" in some abstract sense (and "better" might simply mean more commission) I turn to you.

So what are your experiences with either both positive and negative?

Daniel Browning · January 8th, 2008, 12:41 PM

Have you considered the Vinten Vision 3? There are a lot of threads here about it.

Dan Brockett · January 8th, 2008, 07:28 PM

Hi Daniel:

I could be mistaken but the Vision 3 is a Bogen 503. It's at least the same castings and look, not sure about the internals. That's what disappoints me about the new Vintens, all of their low end are basically re-badged Bogens.

There is no comparison between a Bogen and a Sachtler. The Sachtler is a true fluid head, has multiple levels of counterbalance tension. I own a Bogen 501, have shot with the 503 for years and also own a Sachtler DV-6SB. If you can afford the Sachtler, get it. If not, the Bogen is the consolation prize ;-( If you can't pay for a Sachtler, at least step up to a Cartoni Focus, it's better than a Bogen and probably the best under $1,000.00 head.

Good luck,

Dan

Jack Walker · January 8th, 2008, 07:50 PM

I just looked at the Sachtler FSB-6 at a show. I was extremely impressed. This is the head I mean. It comes with several different legs. The Carbon Fiber legs are very nice:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...arch&Q=*&bhs=t

I have a Cartoni and a Gitzo. The first thing I noticed about the Sachtler is that you can tighten and loosen the locking screws, and nothing moves, unlike many tripods that jump a little, no matter how careful you are.

I was told that this head is a replacement of the DV heads sold previously by Sachtler. The Vitec sales people said they very much like this head and did not like the ones that have been discontinued.

It works perfectly, and much better than the Bogen (or even the Cartoni) in ways that can't really be described.

For HDV, and any telephoto shots, the benefits of the Sacthler are significant. And as tripods go, the price on the FSb-6 (with legs... you only save about $200 by not getting the legs) is reasonable.

I have been looking at every head I can for the past few years. For HDV this Sachtler is the first I've seen at a midlevel/high price that is worth it. (I think there are a large number of under $1000 heads that are not worth their price and new users quickly discover, to their dismay, their limitations.)

Tom Wills · January 8th, 2008, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Brockett

I could be mistaken but the Vision 3 is a Bogen 503. It's at least the same castings and look, not sure about the internals. That's what disappoints me about the new Vintens, all of their low end are basically re-badged Bogens.
Dan

The Vision 3 is actually a true Vinten, not a re-badged Bogen. The models that have the similar castings are the "Pro" series. The Vision series are quite nice fluid heads (I've used an older Vision 10, and it truly was lovely).

Craig Seeman · January 11th, 2008, 03:17 PM

I got the Sachtler FSB-6 with 2 Stage Carbon Fiber Speed Lock Legs. Very nice system and just a bit less expensive than the DV 6SB

http://www.sachtler.com/index.php?id...85&exp_cid=109

Matt Gottshalk · January 11th, 2008, 03:21 PM

The Sachtler will kick the Manfrottos behind six days to sunday.

get it.

Paul R Johnson · January 11th, 2008, 03:38 PM

Had a Vision 3 before moving to something a bit bigger and it was really nice - very similar to the bigger ones I have now - a HUGE improvement on the manfrotto 503/513 types. I've still got a couple of those in the store - superficially you think they are not too bad till your realise the extra force you have to apply to start a movement isn't the same on 'real' heads.

Bob Kerner · January 11th, 2008, 06:11 PM

Craig, Have you even been able to see the FSB-6? I tried B&H but they don't have one on the floor and don't seem to sell the head by itself.

I, too, am reluctant to buy without seeing the darn thing!

Craig Seeman · January 11th, 2008, 07:10 PM

They do have the DV 6SB with the same carbon fiber legs on the floor. The significant differences are the horizontal and vertical adjustments go from 0 to 3 instead of 0 to 5 so the adjustment is a little bit coarser. The DV 6SB also has "Touch & Go" plate and can hold a heavier camera. Price difference is about $300 at B&H.

I checked the Sachtler site before I bought so I knew the differences.

FSB6
http://www.sachtler.com/index.php?id...lag=tech_facts

DVSB6
http://www.sachtler.com/index.php?id...lag=tech_facts

FSB6
Weight 2 kg / 4.4 lb
Payload 1 - 6 kg / 2.2 - 13.2 lb
Sliding range - plate 120 mm / 4.7 in
Counterbalance in 10 steps
Grades of drag 3 each horizontal and vertical + 0
Tilt range +90/-70°
Temperature range -40° to +60° C / -40 to +140° F
Camera fitting Sideload plate S
Tripod/Pedestal fitting 75 mm bowl, integrated flat base fitting
Pan bar(s) 1, Type DV 75
Level self-illuminating Touch Bubble
Batteries Level 1x CR2032

DV6SB
Weight 2.4 kg / 5.3 lb
Payload 1 - 9 kg / 2.2 - 20 lb
Sliding range - plate 60 mm / 2.4 in
Counterbalance in 10 steps
Grades of drag 5 each horizontal and vertical + 0
Tilt range +90/-75°
Temperature range -40° to +60° C / -40 to +140° F
Camera fitting Touch & Go® Plate DV
Tripod/Pedestal fitting 75 mm bowl, integrated flat base fitting
Pan bar(s) 1, Type DV 75
Level self-illuminating Touch Bubble
Batteries Level 1 x CR2032

December 13th, 2007, 01:51 AM	#17
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	all tripods have a basic plate. The vintens with the vc14u sony plate are no exception. look underneath the sony plate and there is the standard sony plate. You can screw that onto the underside of the ex1 and you can then use the vinten tripod __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 5th, 2008, 11:38 AM	#18
Brendan Pyatt Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southampton UK Posts: 165	tripod plate mounting holes... Hi, I have just been reading up on the z7 and apparently it has two mounting holes on the bottom for mounting the tripod plate - I assume they are two threaded holes giving a firmer connection - this is great feature in my opinion. What about the X1 does it have two threaded holes? Or just one threaded and one non- threaded hole (like most sony cams)? thanks.

January 8th, 2008, 10:12 AM	#21
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Manfrotto 503HDV vs Sachtler FSB6 or ? for Sony EX1 I have Sony PMW-EX1 so that's the weight class I'm working with. It's nearly impossible for me to find Tripod/Head reviews anywhere so I toss it open to my trusted colleagues. I'm posting here rather than EX1 forum because I hope get a broader response than just EX1 users. Manfrotto 503HDV vs Sachtler FSB6 (or comparable) should give you an idea of my price range to. With no reviews to read and sales people who can only describe Sachtler as "better" in some abstract sense (and "better" might simply mean more commission) I turn to you. So what are your experiences with either both positive and negative?

December 12th, 2007, 01:49 PM	#16
Bob Willis Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 292	This is the quick release and plate system that I use on my heavy duty tripod when I am using the small camera instead of the shoulder camera. It uses the same plate that came with the Bogen 503. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_Adapter.html I don't use the 503 much anymore unless I am hiking in a good distance.

January 5th, 2008, 12:51 PM	#19
Eric Pascarelli Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 498	One threaded hole (1/4-20) and one non-threaded registration hole.

January 5th, 2008, 01:14 PM	#20
Brendan Pyatt Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southampton UK Posts: 165	thank you.

January 8th, 2008, 12:41 PM	#22
Daniel Browning Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 949	Have you considered the Vinten Vision 3? There are a lot of threads here about it.

January 8th, 2008, 07:28 PM	#23
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	Hi Daniel: I could be mistaken but the Vision 3 is a Bogen 503. It's at least the same castings and look, not sure about the internals. That's what disappoints me about the new Vintens, all of their low end are basically re-badged Bogens. There is no comparison between a Bogen and a Sachtler. The Sachtler is a true fluid head, has multiple levels of counterbalance tension. I own a Bogen 501, have shot with the 503 for years and also own a Sachtler DV-6SB. If you can afford the Sachtler, get it. If not, the Bogen is the consolation prize ;-( If you can't pay for a Sachtler, at least step up to a Cartoni Focus, it's better than a Bogen and probably the best under $1,000.00 head. Good luck, Dan

January 8th, 2008, 07:50 PM	#24
Jack Walker Trustee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burbank Posts: 1,811	I just looked at the Sachtler FSB-6 at a show. I was extremely impressed. This is the head I mean. It comes with several different legs. The Carbon Fiber legs are very nice: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...arch&Q=*&bhs=t I have a Cartoni and a Gitzo. The first thing I noticed about the Sachtler is that you can tighten and loosen the locking screws, and nothing moves, unlike many tripods that jump a little, no matter how careful you are. I was told that this head is a replacement of the DV heads sold previously by Sachtler. The Vitec sales people said they very much like this head and did not like the ones that have been discontinued. It works perfectly, and much better than the Bogen (or even the Cartoni) in ways that can't really be described. For HDV, and any telephoto shots, the benefits of the Sacthler are significant. And as tripods go, the price on the FSb-6 (with legs... you only save about $200 by not getting the legs) is reasonable. I have been looking at every head I can for the past few years. For HDV this Sachtler is the first I've seen at a midlevel/high price that is worth it. (I think there are a large number of under $1000 heads that are not worth their price and new users quickly discover, to their dismay, their limitations.)

January 11th, 2008, 03:17 PM	#26
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	I got the Sachtler FSB-6 with 2 Stage Carbon Fiber Speed Lock Legs. Very nice system and just a bit less expensive than the DV 6SB http://www.sachtler.com/index.php?id...85&exp_cid=109

January 11th, 2008, 03:21 PM	#27
Matt Gottshalk Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Potomac Falls, VA Posts: 215	The Sachtler will kick the Manfrottos behind six days to sunday. get it.

January 11th, 2008, 03:38 PM	#28
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,045	Had a Vision 3 before moving to something a bit bigger and it was really nice - very similar to the bigger ones I have now - a HUGE improvement on the manfrotto 503/513 types. I've still got a couple of those in the store - superficially you think they are not too bad till your realise the extra force you have to apply to start a movement isn't the same on 'real' heads.

January 11th, 2008, 06:11 PM	#29
Bob Kerner Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York Posts: 388	Craig, Have you even been able to see the FSB-6? I tried B&H but they don't have one on the floor and don't seem to sell the head by itself. I, too, am reluctant to buy without seeing the darn thing!

January 11th, 2008, 07:10 PM	#30
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	They do have the DV 6SB with the same carbon fiber legs on the floor. The significant differences are the horizontal and vertical adjustments go from 0 to 3 instead of 0 to 5 so the adjustment is a little bit coarser. The DV 6SB also has "Touch & Go" plate and can hold a heavier camera. Price difference is about $300 at B&H. I checked the Sachtler site before I bought so I knew the differences. FSB6 http://www.sachtler.com/index.php?id...lag=tech_facts DVSB6 http://www.sachtler.com/index.php?id...lag=tech_facts FSB6 Weight 2 kg / 4.4 lb Payload 1 - 6 kg / 2.2 - 13.2 lb Sliding range - plate 120 mm / 4.7 in Counterbalance in 10 steps Grades of drag 3 each horizontal and vertical + 0 Tilt range +90/-70° Temperature range -40° to +60° C / -40 to +140° F Camera fitting Sideload plate S Tripod/Pedestal fitting 75 mm bowl, integrated flat base fitting Pan bar(s) 1, Type DV 75 Level self-illuminating Touch Bubble Batteries Level 1x CR2032 DV6SB Weight 2.4 kg / 5.3 lb Payload 1 - 9 kg / 2.2 - 20 lb Sliding range - plate 60 mm / 2.4 in Counterbalance in 10 steps Grades of drag 5 each horizontal and vertical + 0 Tilt range +90/-75° Temperature range -40° to +60° C / -40 to +140° F Camera fitting Touch & Go® Plate DV Tripod/Pedestal fitting 75 mm bowl, integrated flat base fitting Pan bar(s) 1, Type DV 75 Level self-illuminating Touch Bubble Batteries Level 1 x CR2032