JVC HD line at Cannes at DVinfo.net

Robert Knecht Schmidt · May 19th, 2003, 05:42 AM

I'm at the Festival here in Cannes and JVC reps are showing their HD line of decks and camcorders here in the American Pavillion. Anything you'd like me to ask them?

Joseph George · May 19th, 2003, 10:47 AM

It would be nice to try the camcorder, tape something in normal indoor light, and in daylight, then play the images on HD monitor. The report so far were that on playback the colors are washed out. If you could give us your impression, it would be nice. JVC was going to fix the problem. Maybe the new camcorders are upgraded already.

Is JVC claiming that these could be used for novie production?

Dylan Couper · May 19th, 2003, 12:41 PM

I'm curious if they have any plans to build a HD version of the DV5000, or something similar.

Dennis Adams · May 19th, 2003, 03:03 PM

Ask them about slowing down the capture to 24p and upping the MPEG-2 bitrate to 25 mpbs. The 60% more bits could sure be used, from the macroblocky examples I've seen so far. Plus, 24p would be nice for the filmmakers.
///d@

Rick Spilman · May 19th, 2003, 03:17 PM

How's the beach?

Sorry, this is a question about cameras. OK, maybe uniformed questions but here goes: Do the cameras have the lens or the CCD to really produce the image one would expcet from an HD camera? Are the cameras just OK?, a really step up? a breakthrough?

And will they attract hot chicks? Sorry that was another thread wasn't it.

Joseph George · May 19th, 2003, 04:30 PM

I think that it should be clarified that we are talking about the small HD1 and HD10 MPEG2 HD DV camcorders, not of the CMOS HD prototype box camera.

How about Sony? Maybe you can ask them when will they counteract with low cost HD, possibly blu-ray HD DVD MPEG2 camcorder.

David Mintzer · May 19th, 2003, 08:48 PM

Forget the toy, are the women as beautiful as they say---LOL!

Robert Knecht Schmidt · May 20th, 2003, 02:38 AM

They have a proto HD1 here. I'll ask about 24P operation and upping the bitrate.

Joseph George · May 20th, 2003, 10:53 AM

They will not have 24p and will not up the bit rate. The color quality on playback on HDTV monitor is what would be interesting to hear about, since most people said it is poor.

Don Parrish · May 21st, 2003, 09:13 AM

There's that complete package problem again, no one is willing to give us HD and 24p in the same deal.

John Locke · May 21st, 2003, 09:29 AM

Robert!! You're in Cannes!? Mon Dieu! (Cannes, B.C. maybe?)

You lucky son of a gun. Please give my regards to André at the Miramar... and if you happen to bump into Catherine Deneuve tell her I'm sorry for never returning her calls.

Okay...we were talking about some gadget or something, weren't we?

Rick Spilman · May 21st, 2003, 11:07 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Don Parrish : There's that complete package problem again, no one is willing to give us HD and 24p in the same deal. -->>>

Not true. Of course you can get HD and 24p in the same camera. It will however cost you quite a bit more than $3,000.

Dennis Adams · May 21st, 2003, 05:39 PM

Yea, I guess it would be too hard (and too expensive) to slow down the frame clock from 30Hz to 24Hz. They'd have to triple the price to pull that trick off. Duh.
///d@

Rick Spilman · May 21st, 2003, 05:49 PM

"Real" HD cameras can shoot at variable speeds. They cost real money.

These are consumer cameras with just adequate lenses and tiny ccds. You can fixate on frame rate all you want but that isn't the biggest problem that these cameras seem to have.

Joseph George · May 21st, 2003, 07:36 PM

24p is no big deal technologically, but the manufacurers are making sure we do not get all the good features in their inexpensive packages, and will therefore buy their expensive ones.

There will be soon nearly 200 theater screens in major US markets with digital projectors that accept 30p. If the movie will ever need a wider distribution, you can slow it down digitally to 24 fps for optical printing. It is slow work, especially on fast/complex motion scenes, but it can be done, and it is not that expensive.

May 19th, 2003, 05:42 AM	#1
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	JVC HD line at Cannes I'm at the Festival here in Cannes and JVC reps are showing their HD line of decks and camcorders here in the American Pavillion. Anything you'd like me to ask them? __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 19th, 2003, 12:41 PM	#3
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	I'm curious if they have any plans to build a HD version of the DV5000, or something similar. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

May 20th, 2003, 02:38 AM	#8
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	They have a proto HD1 here. I'll ask about 24P operation and upping the bitrate. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 21st, 2003, 09:29 AM	#11
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Robert!! You're in Cannes!? Mon Dieu! (Cannes, B.C. maybe?) You lucky son of a gun. Please give my regards to André at the Miramar... and if you happen to bump into Catherine Deneuve tell her I'm sorry for never returning her calls. Okay...we were talking about some gadget or something, weren't we? __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

May 19th, 2003, 10:47 AM	#2
Joseph George Permanently Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 265	It would be nice to try the camcorder, tape something in normal indoor light, and in daylight, then play the images on HD monitor. The report so far were that on playback the colors are washed out. If you could give us your impression, it would be nice. JVC was going to fix the problem. Maybe the new camcorders are upgraded already. Is JVC claiming that these could be used for novie production?

May 19th, 2003, 03:03 PM	#4
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	Ask them about slowing down the capture to 24p and upping the MPEG-2 bitrate to 25 mpbs. The 60% more bits could sure be used, from the macroblocky examples I've seen so far. Plus, 24p would be nice for the filmmakers. ///d@

May 19th, 2003, 03:17 PM	#5
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	How's the beach? Sorry, this is a question about cameras. OK, maybe uniformed questions but here goes: Do the cameras have the lens or the CCD to really produce the image one would expcet from an HD camera? Are the cameras just OK?, a really step up? a breakthrough? And will they attract hot chicks? Sorry that was another thread wasn't it.

May 19th, 2003, 04:30 PM	#6
Joseph George Permanently Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 265	I think that it should be clarified that we are talking about the small HD1 and HD10 MPEG2 HD DV camcorders, not of the CMOS HD prototype box camera. How about Sony? Maybe you can ask them when will they counteract with low cost HD, possibly blu-ray HD DVD MPEG2 camcorder.

May 19th, 2003, 08:48 PM	#7
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	Forget the toy, are the women as beautiful as they say---LOL!

May 20th, 2003, 10:53 AM	#9
Joseph George Permanently Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 265	They will not have 24p and will not up the bit rate. The color quality on playback on HDTV monitor is what would be interesting to hear about, since most people said it is poor.

May 21st, 2003, 09:13 AM	#10
Don Parrish Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tavares Fla Posts: 541	There's that complete package problem again, no one is willing to give us HD and 24p in the same deal.

May 21st, 2003, 11:07 AM	#12
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	<<<-- Originally posted by Don Parrish : There's that complete package problem again, no one is willing to give us HD and 24p in the same deal. -->>> Not true. Of course you can get HD and 24p in the same camera. It will however cost you quite a bit more than $3,000.

May 21st, 2003, 05:39 PM	#13
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	Yea, I guess it would be too hard (and too expensive) to slow down the frame clock from 30Hz to 24Hz. They'd have to triple the price to pull that trick off. Duh. ///d@

May 21st, 2003, 05:49 PM	#14
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	"Real" HD cameras can shoot at variable speeds. They cost real money. These are consumer cameras with just adequate lenses and tiny ccds. You can fixate on frame rate all you want but that isn't the biggest problem that these cameras seem to have.

May 21st, 2003, 07:36 PM	#15
Joseph George Permanently Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 265	24p is no big deal technologically, but the manufacurers are making sure we do not get all the good features in their inexpensive packages, and will therefore buy their expensive ones. There will be soon nearly 200 theater screens in major US markets with digital projectors that accept 30p. If the movie will ever need a wider distribution, you can slow it down digitally to 24 fps for optical printing. It is slow work, especially on fast/complex motion scenes, but it can be done, and it is not that expensive.