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Phil Reams · March 27th, 2003, 02:24 PM

... that the networks are not broadcasting as much real-time footage from Iraq as they were in the first 48 hours of action.

I'm assuming it's probably an editorial decision, as there is absolutely no control of what can happen in a war zone. It would not be too good if someone took a hit on live television.

Just a thought...

-Phil

Frank Granovski · March 27th, 2003, 02:42 PM

Which networks do you mean, American? The Arab networks are showing everything.

As you most likely know, the media is a propaganda tool. Try this link:

http://www.aljazeera.org.uk

I've got other links handy too, but I don't think that Chris would like me to post them here---this is afterall a DV site.

Phil Reams · March 27th, 2003, 03:04 PM

Ah! My bad... I forget sometimes this forum is an international community.

I'm referring mainly to US networks like CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc.

-Phil

Bill Ravens · March 27th, 2003, 03:23 PM

...been watching CNN and BBC news. The major networks are working a different audience, methinks.

Frank Granovski · March 27th, 2003, 04:15 PM

"The National," on CBC seems to give the best coverage (from North America).

http://www.aljazeera.net is in Arabic. That probably gives a good view from the other side.

Frank Granovski · March 27th, 2003, 09:30 PM

You can get some news here as well:

http://media.guardian.co.uk

I read that http://www.aljazeera.net started an English site, but it was hacked from somewhere within the US.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · March 27th, 2003, 11:10 PM

I try not be a news junkie, but the most balanced reporting, it seems to me, comes from NPR News and the BBC World Service. A lighter diet might consist of Peter Jennings and his correspondents on ABC News. FOX and CNN are just in too big of a ratings battle with each other--who wants to watch a meta-war?

Chris Hurd · March 27th, 2003, 11:43 PM

If you get satellite TV via Dish Network, be sure to check out the World Link and Free Speech TV channels for some outstanding reporting.

Keith Loh · March 28th, 2003, 12:34 AM

I was watching Reuters RawVideo all today. I like watching tanks tool around in the mud.

But then there was also a shocking video of this little girl who had been taken in after bombardmen. She was lying on a hospital cot with her intestines beside her.

Simon Plissi · March 28th, 2003, 12:22 PM

I've been mainly watching the UK, inc. BBC World, and the odd international satellite service. I've know idea what the situation is like in the US.

I personally find the differences between the two main terrestrial broadcasters here in the UK shocking. The BBC is far more balanced than the ITN produced news on ITV, which comes across as an arm of of the military. Sorry, but I want my news to be as impartial as possible. (I know, a utopian dream) Channel 4 is very good, better in many places than the BBC, and the once laughable Channel 5 is actually OK now.

Anyway, back to the question...

There are couple of things I think one should bear in mind now.

One, the reporters are not in the front line, I'm not sure if they ever were. Yes there's much talk of imbedded journalists, but they are not right in the action, otherwise were is the footage of the actual battles. I've yet to see any. And especially know as the fronts are drawn out with long columns stretching for miles they are probably getting further from the front. This might all change once they reach Baghdad since there are many journalist already there.

Two, the news networks were badly bitten by incorrect reporting. How many initial reports were there of uprisings and mass Iraqi tank divisions on the move, only to latter learn there were no uprising nor any mass tank movements.

Therefore I feel this is why we are seeing less and less real-time reporting. There just isn't that much to say. And don't get me started on those crappy video phones. Surely the technology is there for better video transmissions by now?

Bill Ravens · March 28th, 2003, 03:02 PM

bandwidth, my friend....the satellites charge by the bandwidth used. more satellites, I guess.

Bob Zimmerman · March 29th, 2003, 04:32 PM

I wonder how much the video phones they use cost?

Phil Reams · March 29th, 2003, 05:06 PM

As a matter of fact, I posted a whole lot of information on videophones in this thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=8085

The technology today is simply amazing. Also, like Bill said, the cost per minute for bandwidth is equallly amazing.

-Phil

Chris Hurd · March 29th, 2003, 11:42 PM

Great info, Phil... many thanks,

Phil Reams · March 30th, 2003, 12:03 AM

My pleasure!

I went out in the yard this afternoon, and de-mothballed the old 6-foot C-Band dish. There is still a lot of international video and audio programming on C-Band that is in the clear (not scrambled).

Not that I'm a news junkie or anything, but world events have always held my interest. Additionally, I plan on starting school this fall (at 34!) and have narrowed down my major to either journalism or communications.

My reasoning is that seeing a global view on news and information might help me out in the future for either profession.

-Phil

March 27th, 2003, 02:24 PM	#1
Phil Reams Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 60	Is it me, or has anyone noticed... ... that the networks are not broadcasting as much real-time footage from Iraq as they were in the first 48 hours of action. I'm assuming it's probably an editorial decision, as there is absolutely no control of what can happen in a war zone. It would not be too good if someone took a hit on live television. Just a thought... -Phil __________________ Phil Reams Timeless Studio Productions Clearwater, Florida FCC Licensed Electronics Technician (GROL) Amateur Radio - KC4UVU Life Member of the PSHA - Pinnacle Studio Haters of America

March 27th, 2003, 03:04 PM	#3
Phil Reams Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 60	Ah! My bad... I forget sometimes this forum is an international community. I'm referring mainly to US networks like CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc. -Phil __________________ Phil Reams Timeless Studio Productions Clearwater, Florida FCC Licensed Electronics Technician (GROL) Amateur Radio - KC4UVU Life Member of the PSHA - Pinnacle Studio Haters of America

March 27th, 2003, 11:10 PM	#7
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	I try not be a news junkie, but the most balanced reporting, it seems to me, comes from NPR News and the BBC World Service. A lighter diet might consist of Peter Jennings and his correspondents on ABC News. FOX and CNN are just in too big of a ratings battle with each other--who wants to watch a meta-war? __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 27th, 2003, 11:43 PM	#8
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	If you get satellite TV via Dish Network, be sure to check out the World Link and Free Speech TV channels for some outstanding reporting. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 28th, 2003, 12:34 AM	#9
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	I was watching Reuters RawVideo all today. I like watching tanks tool around in the mud. But then there was also a shocking video of this little girl who had been taken in after bombardmen. She was lying on a hospital cot with her intestines beside her. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

March 27th, 2003, 02:42 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Which networks do you mean, American? The Arab networks are showing everything. As you most likely know, the media is a propaganda tool. Try this link: http://www.aljazeera.org.uk I've got other links handy too, but I don't think that Chris would like me to post them here---this is afterall a DV site.

March 27th, 2003, 03:23 PM	#4
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	...been watching CNN and BBC news. The major networks are working a different audience, methinks.

March 27th, 2003, 04:15 PM	#5
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	"The National," on CBC seems to give the best coverage (from North America). http://www.aljazeera.net is in Arabic. That probably gives a good view from the other side.

March 27th, 2003, 09:30 PM	#6
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	You can get some news here as well: http://media.guardian.co.uk I read that http://www.aljazeera.net started an English site, but it was hacked from somewhere within the US.

March 28th, 2003, 12:22 PM	#10
Simon Plissi Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 105	I've been mainly watching the UK, inc. BBC World, and the odd international satellite service. I've know idea what the situation is like in the US. I personally find the differences between the two main terrestrial broadcasters here in the UK shocking. The BBC is far more balanced than the ITN produced news on ITV, which comes across as an arm of of the military. Sorry, but I want my news to be as impartial as possible. (I know, a utopian dream) Channel 4 is very good, better in many places than the BBC, and the once laughable Channel 5 is actually OK now. Anyway, back to the question... There are couple of things I think one should bear in mind now. One, the reporters are not in the front line, I'm not sure if they ever were. Yes there's much talk of imbedded journalists, but they are not right in the action, otherwise were is the footage of the actual battles. I've yet to see any. And especially know as the fronts are drawn out with long columns stretching for miles they are probably getting further from the front. This might all change once they reach Baghdad since there are many journalist already there. Two, the news networks were badly bitten by incorrect reporting. How many initial reports were there of uprisings and mass Iraqi tank divisions on the move, only to latter learn there were no uprising nor any mass tank movements. Therefore I feel this is why we are seeing less and less real-time reporting. There just isn't that much to say. And don't get me started on those crappy video phones. Surely the technology is there for better video transmissions by now?

March 28th, 2003, 03:02 PM	#11
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	bandwidth, my friend....the satellites charge by the bandwidth used. more satellites, I guess.

March 29th, 2003, 04:32 PM	#12
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	I wonder how much the video phones they use cost?

March 29th, 2003, 05:06 PM	#13
Phil Reams Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 60	As a matter of fact, I posted a whole lot of information on videophones in this thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...&threadid=8085 The technology today is simply amazing. Also, like Bill said, the cost per minute for bandwidth is equallly amazing. -Phil __________________ Phil Reams Timeless Studio Productions Clearwater, Florida FCC Licensed Electronics Technician (GROL) Amateur Radio - KC4UVU Life Member of the PSHA - Pinnacle Studio Haters of America

March 29th, 2003, 11:42 PM	#14
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Great info, Phil... many thanks, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 30th, 2003, 12:03 AM	#15
Phil Reams Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 60	My pleasure! I went out in the yard this afternoon, and de-mothballed the old 6-foot C-Band dish. There is still a lot of international video and audio programming on C-Band that is in the clear (not scrambled). Not that I'm a news junkie or anything, but world events have always held my interest. Additionally, I plan on starting school this fall (at 34!) and have narrowed down my major to either journalism or communications. My reasoning is that seeing a global view on news and information might help me out in the future for either profession. -Phil __________________ Phil Reams Timeless Studio Productions Clearwater, Florida FCC Licensed Electronics Technician (GROL) Amateur Radio - KC4UVU Life Member of the PSHA - Pinnacle Studio Haters of America