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Alex Taylor · March 23rd, 2003, 09:21 PM

Who saw Michael Moore's speech just now on the Oscars?

He won for Bowling for Columbine, and invited the rest of the nominees up with him, which I thought was good. But then he used his 45 seconds as a platform for his own political views on the war, which was kind of inappropriate for the moment. And since the rest of the nominees were up with him, I wonder how they feel being represented by Moore without their consent. I love Michael Moore but I think that was over the top.

What do you guys think?

Rob Wilson · March 23rd, 2003, 09:35 PM

Michael Moore is incredibly good at what he does, that is, put his spin on a story by only telling the part that will benefit his perspective. Don't really think any of his work is Oscar level, but clearly others disagree!

Matt Betea · March 23rd, 2003, 09:50 PM

Same thing he did at the Spirit Awards (he won for Columbine). Which between him and ever other person that got their hands on the mic ruined it.

Wayne Orr · March 23rd, 2003, 11:24 PM

I don't have the answer, but I do know that a dozen of our finest young people were taken prisoner today, and it appears that at least two of them were executed in front of their compatriots, and meanwhile we sit in front of the tube and watch an endless parade of celebreties pretending that everything is normal, and that attending the Academy Award show is somehow patriotic.

BTW, most of the other documentary nominees who joined Michael Moore were wearing the green "Peace" buttons, so I have a hunch this may have been a group decision. How did Moore get the others to join him so quickly if something had not been discussed beforehand?

I found Michael Moore's remarks invigorating in an otherwise numbing evening given the current situation. But I confess to watching the whole rambling affair, and I also confess to my bias against the war.

Just my 2¢

Dylan Couper · March 23rd, 2003, 11:36 PM

They give him the time to do with what he wants. If he wants to spout war propoganda (for or against), or juggle chickens in his underwear, that's up to him.
Inviting up the other nominees on it's own is a nice gesture.

Robert Poulton · March 24th, 2003, 01:39 AM

hehe. I didnt see what he did but thats a nice little twist on the events. Other than that the show was a waste of time. What a let down. Im just happy that Road to Perdition got best Cinematography.

I am just tired of the crap on television.

Rob:D

March 24th, 2003, 02:48 AM

I found his delivery, not his subject matter, offensive. But being from Colorado and having a niece at Columbine on the day of the shooting made me dislike Michael long before tonight. I think he could have chosen a better title for his work.

I'm also a twice-wounded combat veteran (Vietnam). I participated in the Grenada invasion and was military advisor in El Salvadore, where I was bitten by a water moccasin. I have two sons currently serving in the Iraq war... one an army scout and one aboard U.S.S. Kitty Hawk. I like to think we, and other veterans, serve(d) to give people the freedom to say what they think. So I get a little peeved at those who are critical of those who are critical.

BUT...

You'll notice I said "give people the FREEDOM to say what they think." I didn't say give them the RIGHT to say it. My feeling is people should have to earn the right to dissent, along with every other right we take for granted. I think EVERYONE over the age of 18 should have to do two years of national service -- military, Peace Corps, working in a hospital, a nursing home, in an environmental program, a library, a shelter for the homeless -- something, to earn their rights as a citizen.

And, Mr. Moore -- like countless others -- could have been more dignified in his criticism. Rude behavior does not endear me to peoples' point-of-view. Neither does violent civil disobedience.

Now to justify this harumphing post I'll ask this: How are the embedded journalists keeping that micro-fine dust out of their XL-1s and their PD-150s?

Chris Hurd · March 24th, 2003, 03:15 AM

Nice conversation so far, but please keep in mind that political discussions are verboten on this board... the question should probably not have been asked in the first place.

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing... it allows me to impose all sorts of unreasonable and senseless policies upon you, including the limitation of certain subject matter such as politics.

All is well here so far, but I would hate to pull the plug on this thread, so please show some restraint. Thanks,

Henrik Bengtsson · March 24th, 2003, 03:36 AM

I'll try not to be political Chris =)

I did however see a interesting thing here.

Michael Moore used his usual political propaganda style of speech and got booing and shouts. Probably alienating more people than it befriended (Especially since most of that audience is very anti-war).

Adrien Brody (Best male actor in a leading role) delivered basically the same message (peaceful solution, stop the war, bring the soldiers home) but in a much nicer presentation. He got standing ovations from the entire audience.

Just a little observation. Regarding Michael Moore's method of "documentary" this has been dealt with in other threads.

/Henrik

Don Bloom · March 24th, 2003, 05:53 AM

I am as Charles Newcomb a veteran of RVN, also 2x wounded.
I agree this is not the forum to discuss politics but before the show last night Mr. Moore stated that if he won he would say something, that he is not checking his citizenship papers at the door. I agree Mr. Moore, you have the right to say what you want and people have the right to disagree or not, BUT I still don't feel the Oscars or any other "awards" show is the proper venue.

Having said that, I too wonder how they are protecting the microphones on their PD150's.

Alex Taylor · March 24th, 2003, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Adrien Brody (Best male actor in a leading role) delivered basically the same message (peaceful solution, stop the war, bring the soldiers home) but in a much nicer presentation. He got standing ovations from the entire audience.

That speech was almost the equivalent to Roberto Begningi's (sp?) a few years back.. I really love it when they truly aren't expecting it and are absolutely floored by it like he was; I don't think anybody else would have the guts to kiss Halle Berry!

Bill Ravens · March 24th, 2003, 09:49 AM

Considering the current events, the only thing I find more insulting than hollywood's self aggrandizing are the people who engage in mindless discussions concerning hollywood's antics.
It's unimportant trivialities.

Joe Carney · March 24th, 2003, 10:26 AM

My quetion is...

When is TV going to give the rest of the American public 2 minutes and an audience of a billion people so they can explain their point of view along with the celebs?

Keith Loh · March 24th, 2003, 11:43 AM

I see a lot of people trying to skirt Chris' stated policy on discussing this issue and still getting their digs in...

Robert Poulton · March 24th, 2003, 01:31 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Charles Newcomb :
Now to justify this harumphing post I'll ask this: How are the embedded journalists keeping that micro-fine dust out of their XL-1s and their PD-150s? -->>>

Well Im sure they have a Potabrace with a nice UV filter over the lens. They might also have another bag handy to change the tapes or batteries but then again I have a rain cover and it keeps the deck part clean and clear. So that might be all they need. But then again when the dust kicks up its time to close the shades.

Rob:D

March 23rd, 2003, 09:21 PM	#1
Alex Taylor Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 390	Michael Moore's Oscar Speech Who saw Michael Moore's speech just now on the Oscars? He won for Bowling for Columbine, and invited the rest of the nominees up with him, which I thought was good. But then he used his 45 seconds as a platform for his own political views on the war, which was kind of inappropriate for the moment. And since the rest of the nominees were up with him, I wonder how they feel being represented by Moore without their consent. I love Michael Moore but I think that was over the top. What do you guys think? __________________ alextaylor.org

March 23rd, 2003, 11:24 PM	#4
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	I don't have the answer, but I do know that a dozen of our finest young people were taken prisoner today, and it appears that at least two of them were executed in front of their compatriots, and meanwhile we sit in front of the tube and watch an endless parade of celebreties pretending that everything is normal, and that attending the Academy Award show is somehow patriotic. BTW, most of the other documentary nominees who joined Michael Moore were wearing the green "Peace" buttons, so I have a hunch this may have been a group decision. How did Moore get the others to join him so quickly if something had not been discussed beforehand? I found Michael Moore's remarks invigorating in an otherwise numbing evening given the current situation. But I confess to watching the whole rambling affair, and I also confess to my bias against the war. Just my 2¢ __________________ Wayne If it was easy, they'd get a relative to do it.

March 23rd, 2003, 11:36 PM	#5
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	They give him the time to do with what he wants. If he wants to spout war propoganda (for or against), or juggle chickens in his underwear, that's up to him. Inviting up the other nominees on it's own is a nice gesture. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

March 24th, 2003, 02:48 AM	#7
Guest Posts: n/a	Michael Moore (a little long, perhaps boring) I found his delivery, not his subject matter, offensive. But being from Colorado and having a niece at Columbine on the day of the shooting made me dislike Michael long before tonight. I think he could have chosen a better title for his work. I'm also a twice-wounded combat veteran (Vietnam). I participated in the Grenada invasion and was military advisor in El Salvadore, where I was bitten by a water moccasin. I have two sons currently serving in the Iraq war... one an army scout and one aboard U.S.S. Kitty Hawk. I like to think we, and other veterans, serve(d) to give people the freedom to say what they think. So I get a little peeved at those who are critical of those who are critical. BUT... You'll notice I said "give people the FREEDOM to say what they think." I didn't say give them the RIGHT to say it. My feeling is people should have to earn the right to dissent, along with every other right we take for granted. I think EVERYONE over the age of 18 should have to do two years of national service -- military, Peace Corps, working in a hospital, a nursing home, in an environmental program, a library, a shelter for the homeless -- something, to earn their rights as a citizen. And, Mr. Moore -- like countless others -- could have been more dignified in his criticism. Rude behavior does not endear me to peoples' point-of-view. Neither does violent civil disobedience. Now to justify this harumphing post I'll ask this: How are the embedded journalists keeping that micro-fine dust out of their XL-1s and their PD-150s?

March 24th, 2003, 03:15 AM	#8
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Nice conversation so far, but please keep in mind that political discussions are verboten on this board... the question should probably not have been asked in the first place. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing... it allows me to impose all sorts of unreasonable and senseless policies upon you, including the limitation of certain subject matter such as politics. All is well here so far, but I would hate to pull the plug on this thread, so please show some restraint. Thanks, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 23rd, 2003, 09:35 PM	#2
Rob Wilson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 473	Michael Moore is incredibly good at what he does, that is, put his spin on a story by only telling the part that will benefit his perspective. Don't really think any of his work is Oscar level, but clearly others disagree!

March 23rd, 2003, 09:50 PM	#3
Matt Betea Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: detroit, mi Posts: 187	Same thing he did at the Spirit Awards (he won for Columbine). Which between him and ever other person that got their hands on the mic ruined it.

March 24th, 2003, 01:39 AM	#6
Robert Poulton Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 245	hehe. I didnt see what he did but thats a nice little twist on the events. Other than that the show was a waste of time. What a let down. Im just happy that Road to Perdition got best Cinematography. I am just tired of the crap on television. Rob:D

March 24th, 2003, 03:36 AM	#9
Henrik Bengtsson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Borås, Sweden Posts: 167	I'll try not to be political Chris =) I did however see a interesting thing here. Michael Moore used his usual political propaganda style of speech and got booing and shouts. Probably alienating more people than it befriended (Especially since most of that audience is very anti-war). Adrien Brody (Best male actor in a leading role) delivered basically the same message (peaceful solution, stop the war, bring the soldiers home) but in a much nicer presentation. He got standing ovations from the entire audience. Just a little observation. Regarding Michael Moore's method of "documentary" this has been dealt with in other threads. /Henrik __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Henrik "HuBBa" Bengtsson, Imaginara Fotographia,http://www.imaginara.se

March 24th, 2003, 05:53 AM	#10
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	I am as Charles Newcomb a veteran of RVN, also 2x wounded. I agree this is not the forum to discuss politics but before the show last night Mr. Moore stated that if he won he would say something, that he is not checking his citizenship papers at the door. I agree Mr. Moore, you have the right to say what you want and people have the right to disagree or not, BUT I still don't feel the Oscars or any other "awards" show is the proper venue. Having said that, I too wonder how they are protecting the microphones on their PD150's.

March 24th, 2003, 09:49 AM	#12
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Considering the current events, the only thing I find more insulting than hollywood's self aggrandizing are the people who engage in mindless discussions concerning hollywood's antics. It's unimportant trivialities.

March 24th, 2003, 10:26 AM	#13
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	My quetion is... When is TV going to give the rest of the American public 2 minutes and an audience of a billion people so they can explain their point of view along with the celebs?

March 24th, 2003, 11:43 AM	#14
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	I see a lot of people trying to skirt Chris' stated policy on discussing this issue and still getting their digs in... __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

March 24th, 2003, 01:31 PM	#15
Robert Poulton Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 245	Re: Michael Moore (a little long, perhaps boring) <<<-- Originally posted by Charles Newcomb : Now to justify this harumphing post I'll ask this: How are the embedded journalists keeping that micro-fine dust out of their XL-1s and their PD-150s? -->>> Well Im sure they have a Potabrace with a nice UV filter over the lens. They might also have another bag handy to change the tapes or batteries but then again I have a rain cover and it keeps the deck part clean and clear. So that might be all they need. But then again when the dust kicks up its time to close the shades. Rob:D